PFT: CeeDee, no one deserves the criticism Dak gets

[GoldenR]

League leading 15 picks in 12 games.
Followed by getting bullied by the same team that bullied them last year.
Oh, and two more picks(17 in 14 games) in a league where WRs run freely
in the secondary.

The rhetorical question is, which play was worse:

The pick thrown in their own territory. The Dak classic sideline "throw away".

The pick thrown deep in SF territory. (Kicker gets partial blame)

Ignoring a wide open T.Y. Hilton down the seam for a would-be TD.

Nobody should apologize for criticizing a $40M QB flop in a divisional playoff.
Especially, when it was a supposed revenge game. Inexcusable.
But, I guess we'll see it again and again. As Dak says every pre-snap, "Here we go!"...again.

" This ones on me, I need to be better and take responsibility. Turnovers are an issue. I need to be better...........I need to be better........." D - - . I want to solve the puzzle Pat!

 

[StylisticS]

Right into double coverage

Man looking at that play infuriates me even more. Why did he even attempt that throw?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Comparing guys from eras 30 years apart is pretty stupid, yes.

Comparing stats in general is stupid, yes.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Therein lies the issue: piss poor game against Washington, good game against TB, piss poor game against SF.....that is the roller coaster, bi-polar $40M QB Dallas has as its starter.

That hasn’t been the story of his career just last season.

 

[LovinItAll]

He has never been as good as he was as a rookie and had to actually compete and win to keep the job. Ever since he won the job and knew he was in line for a pay day, he has not been nearly as good. I call that regressing. If you want to compare his play this year with his mediocre play over the past 4-5 years and say he isn't regressing, have at it! $40 million dollars should get you consistency and good decision making from your QB. Dak is the very definition of inconsistent, from game to game, half to half, drive to drive, even play to play. You never know what you are going to get with his next throw. This year was as bad as ever with his poor throws and easy interceptions every single week. I call that stealing money when you're getting paid $40 million a year. He got it because that's the system and Jerry didn't have to guts to call his bluff. He didn't earn that contract and hasn't lived up to it. Defend him all you want but this team is never winning a championship with a QB like Dak.

He’s never had the same team he had as a rookie. That’s the point. The offensive line is WAY weaker than his rookie year. That’s huge. He had Zeke running like a beast. That was huge. He had receivers who could actually separate. More hugeness.

There was no ‘bluff’ to call. He needs what I said he needs. He ABSOLUTELY can win a championship with the right personnel. Now that the defense has been beefed up, the Cowboys can start rebuilding the o line, getting a running attack, and somehow finding receivers who can at least get some separation.

The real key is this: Now that Dak got the bag, will he re-sign to a team friendly deal that allows the team the cap space they need to build the supporting cast Dak needs to win. That’s the one common theme championship teams have: QBs that don’t eat up a huge % of the cap. They should try and sign Dak to a 5 year extension at $40MM per, which three years from now will be a bargain.

The notion that we can find another QB that’s better is not nonsense, but it would be random luck. Even if we had the #1 overall pick in the draft, there’s absolutely no guarantee that the pick would yield a QB better than Dak.

Dak is here to stay unless he prices himself out of a job. If he demands top dollar for his next deal, I don’t have a problem letting him walk, so it isn’t like I think Dak is a savior. He isn’t. He is a top 12 QB that can lead us to a title with the right pieces around him. I’m sure of that.

 

[Typhus]

Therein lies the issue: piss poor game against Washington, good game against TB, piss poor game against SF.....that is the roller coaster, bi-polar $40M QB Dallas has as its starter.

The roller coaster and Daks blueprint pattern.

 

[CowboyFanInLexKy]

Dak could have easily thrown it out of bounds, it was 2nd and 2.

Exactly. My point was for the Dak supporter that was trying to deflect blame off Dak for his shortcomings.

 

[USArmyVet]

Comparing stats in general is stupid, yes.

That is the nature of stats, to compare one to another in terms of performance.

 

[superonyx]

Some of us are fans of the Cowboys, but that does not include worshipping players that hurts the team. I find it hard to support a player that sucks up entirely too much salary cap space while regressing from the years where he struggled to pass for 200 yards a game. I don’t even know how that is possible. How can a positive light be shown on an overpaid player that folds every time that he faces a semi-decent team. What kind of person would cheer for a player that hurts the team in so many different ways every year?

A person who realizes we have no say over the contracts given to players or the quality of a player.
A person who chooses to route for their team and see this for what it really is. Its entertainment.
It's supposed to provide us more positives than negatives. Life is too short. If I found myself feeling so much anger over something I had zero control over I would move on to find other things in life to entertain myself.

Not saying anyone should be a blind homer. Just saying the amount of negativity and hate that people here express just feels unhealthy. 31 out of 32 teams will end their season either with a painful loss or a bad record. If I found myself steaming non stop, even during the season, the way so many here do I'd burn out and check out.

It's just entertainment. It's not serious enough to let it control your emotions.

 

[blueblood70]

I can't say I am a Dak hater. I try to be objective. But I do think the more a guy makes the more we should expect from him. Maybe that's where Jerry and I differ. I look at it this way, Compensation = Performance + Criticism. Compensation is fixed so if performance goes down, criticism goes up. If you want criticism to go down, then increase performance. If Performance = Compensation there will be no criticism. Dak had a long way to go in performance to get to his compensation so when he signed the deal it already came with some criticism.

ridiculous statements ie his $$ automatically out it all on him to perform up to it, yet its a team game. Seriously, he is earning his money as his stats and wins all have ho, top 10 and his moneys top 10..he can not control the team around him
since 2016 Dak has 61 wins in the regular a season that 5th in the league behind Brady 79, rogers 67, Mahomes 64(done it in shorter time period drafted in 17 didn't pay until 18??, and Rwilson 62

Not sure why fans keep believing that player with that many wins an a 67% compl% also high in the league, 165tds ONLY 65INTs 26 rushing tds is an issue? the haters want his released or traded and dont say playoffs after 97 games Dak shares nearly the exact same playoff record as Pmanning and Manning has less total tds and twice the INTs in the RS in the same first 97 games..
fans just need to stop thinking we can easily just do better than dak as we see how other teams seem to be struggling finding a decent starting qb let alone one with Daks success.

yes, a better offense will help in the long run ie stronger run game, more physical OL, and a better play caller for the better team in the playoffs.

But come on Dak is our qb, his career says we can get to a SB with him IF, a BIG IF, the team shows up and helps out in the playoff games. can have the TEAM have 14 penalties and no run game in b2b games against the 9ers ,yes his 2 INts hurt us one is half on Gallup for allowing himself to be shoved off his route and cut under him with no effort to fight back to at least break that up.
2016 and 2018 all on the defense. so technically dak has one poor showing 2022 in a playoff game and now hes the issue?? he didnt fail on his own again NO RUN GAM, OL getting pushed back all game, outside of CD, no one was playing well ie Schultz 2 mental mistakes on the 3min drive is an example, OL pay not good at all,. no run game. Daks supposed to overcomes team issues because he got paid, umm no that not how it works.

Daks been to the playoffs 4 of 6 season's hes been healthy and no losing seasons. right, he sucks cut him now eat 89 mil or cut him in 24 and eat 40 if traded, eat whatever that number is .. sure makes sense we could be like the 18-20 teams still looking for a QB that can be close to Dak., so hes not elite how many are? 1-3 in any given era?

the windows now with Dak 2 more seasons, if it doesn't work then time for major changes.

again, lets go play better as a team but even the D as great as they played if they want to be in the convo as say the 2k Raven D Diggs has to make those 2 plays.

 

[blueblood70]

Exactly. My point was for the Dak supporter that was trying to deflect blame off Dak for his shortcomings.

OR some of thats on gallup, Gallup for allowing himself to be shoved off his route and have the CB cut under him with no effort to fight back to at least break that up. the dang CB ran better route and made the effort that gallup sat and watched him do it.

its happened with him at least 4 times this year and other WRs have done the same, ran a poor route made no effort to fight back for a ball etc.

there were more tipped balls at the line, off wrs/tes hands, or having an OL pushed back into dak and have his arm hit, jersey grabbed, ball tipped at the line etc etc then ive ever seen and they tuned into Interceptions. that not on Dak, at least 7 interceptions were of those variety.

Dak only has 65INts for his career at the same piunt Peyton had 117 Try had 141 for his career. Josh allen this year had almost as many iTs and more fumbles including the playoffs, Trevor Lawernce and many others. Top 5 paid qbs didn't even make the playoffs, Stafford led the league in INTs in 2021 had 2 in the SB yet the TEAM found a way to win a SB.

we saw Burrows throw 2 in playoff game and lose to cooper rush , this happens the better teams overcome it and we fell short as team..

 

[Creeper]

ridiculous statements ie his $$ automatically out it all on him to perform up to it, yet its a team game. Seriously, he is earning his money as his stats and wins all have ho, top 10 and his moneys top 10..he can not control the team around him
since 2016 Dak has 61 wins in the regular a season that 5th in the league behind Brady 79, rogers 67, Mahomes 64(done it in shorter time period drafted in 17 didn't pay until 18??, and Rwilson 62

Not sure why fans keep believing that player with that many wins an a 67% compl% also high in the league, 165tds ONLY 65INTs 26 rushing tds is an issue? the haters want his released or traded and dont say playoffs after 97 games Dak shares nearly the exact same playoff record as Pmanning and Manning has less total tds and twice the INTs in the RS in the same first 97 games..
fans just need to stop thinking we can easily just do better than dak as we see how other teams seem to be struggling finding a decent starting qb let alone one with Daks success.

yes, a better offense will help in the long run ie stronger run game, more physical OL, and a better play caller for the better team in the playoffs.

But come on Dak is our qb, his career says we can get to a SB with him IF, a BIG IF, the team shows up and helps out in the playoff games. can have the TEAM have 14 penalties and no run game in b2b games against the 9ers ,yes his 2 INts hurt us one is half on Gallup for allowing himself to be shoved off his route and cut under him with no effort to fight back to at least break that up.
2016 and 2018 all on the defense. so technically dak has one poor showing 2022 in a playoff game and now hes the issue?? he didnt fail on his own again NO RUN GAM, OL getting pushed back all game, outside of CD, no one was playing well ie Schultz 2 mental mistakes on the 3min drive is an example, OL pay not good at all,. no run game. Daks supposed to overcomes team issues because he got paid, umm no that not how it works.

Daks been to the playoffs 4 of 6 season's hes been healthy and no losing seasons. right, he sucks cut him now eat 89 mil or cut him in 24 and eat 40 if traded, eat whatever that number is .. sure makes sense we could be like the 18-20 teams still looking for a QB that can be close to Dak., so hes not elite how many are? 1-3 in any given era?

the windows now with Dak 2 more seasons, if it doesn't work then time for major changes.

again, lets go play better as a team but even the D as great as they played if they want to be in the convo as say the 2k Raven D Diggs has to make those 2 plays.

Not sure what is so ridiculous about what I said. You have an opinion of Dak which I am sure is shared by some fans, but not all fans. After all, this is an argument over differing OPINIONS. My point however, since this thread is about the amount of criticism Dak receives, was the amount of criticism is relative to the salary a player earns, in most cases. Dak signed a huge contract and the fans expected more from him once he signed that deal. Many fans, reasonably, feel he has not lived up to his contract. Value is subjective. If you recall, during the Dak contract negotiations almost all of us thought the rumors that Dak wanted $40 million per year were ridiculous. Some people were saying he should have signed for less than $35. Some were suggesting he sign for what Wentz signed for.

I am pretty sure $40 million was way above what most of us expected. Hence, the expectations for Dak on the field increased. I believe the statements were along the lines of "for that money he has to win a Super Bowl" or something of that nature. Higher expectations come with higher compensation. If Dak signed a team friendly deal for say $32.5 million over 6 years, trade clause intact, I believe he would hear less criticism.

My personal opinion of Dak is that he has shown limitations which were pretty evident in the 49ers game. I call him Good Dak and Bad Dak. Good Dak probably deserves his contract. Bad Dak certainly does not. We saw too much Bad Dak this year and it is evidenced by the number of INTs he threw. But I also believe we can win with him if we run the ball and build a smothering defense. Dak is going to get an extension from the Cowboys and it will probably be for even more money. Prepare for even more criticism.

 

[blueblood70]

Not sure what is so ridiculous about what I said. You have an opinion of Dak which I am sure is shared by some fans, but not all fans. After all, this is an argument over differing OPINIONS. My point however, since this thread is about the amount of criticism Dak receives, was the amount of criticism is relative to the salary a player earns, in most cases. Dak signed a huge contract and the fans expected more from him once he signed that deal. Many fans, reasonably, feel he has not lived up to his contract. Value is subjective. If you recall, during the Dak contract negotiations almost all of us thought the rumors that Dak wanted $40 million per year were ridiculous. Some people were saying he should have signed for less than $35. Some were suggesting he sign for what Wentz signed for.

I am pretty sure $40 million was way above what most of us expected. Hence, the expectations for Dak on the field increased. I believe the statements were along the lines of "for that money he has to win a Super Bowl" or something of that nature. Higher expectations come with higher compensation. If Dak signed a team friendly deal for say $32.5 million over 6 years, trade clause intact, I believe he would hear less criticism.

My personal opinion of Dak is that he has shown limitations which were pretty evident in the 49ers game. I call him Good Dak and Bad Dak. Good Dak probably deserves his contract. Bad Dak certainly does not. We saw too much Bad Dak this year and it is evidenced by the number of INTs he threw. But I also believe we can win with him if we run the ball and build a smothering defense. Dak is going to get an extension from the Cowboys and it will probably be for even more money. Prepare for even more criticism.

right bad dak showed up with Bad OL, Bad run game, and Bad OC..sure crazy irony how they always correlate... thats what ridiculous

you all point out Bad dak but no Facts being for BAD Offensive team.. outside of CD who BTW had someone throwing him the ball it was a bad offense along with coaching. all just as bad and created a bad situation.

 

[Dre11]

Fast facts..dak sucks dak suck dak sucks. Jalen in Super Bowl, those are facts that matter

None of that makes Jalen better after 1 year, his team was better. Fact

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

That is the nature of stats, to compare one to another in terms of performance.

Stats don't tell the whole narrative and never have. One has to have enough common sense to know that.

 

[Philmonroe]

It’s truly amazing to me at the coverage Dak gets. Josh Allen who everyone agrees is a great player sucks yet again but not a peep. I get he has a star on his helmet but and the “in” thing for the media to do is give Cowboys negative and positive coverage but it should be reasonable at least.

More inferiority posting from you. Wish some of you people would learn to love yourselves and stop feeling so weak. Tired of the same lazy bs y’all do all the time.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

More inferiority posting from you. Wish some of you people would learn to love yourselves and stop feeling so weak. Tired of the same lazy bs y’all do all the time.

You're a coward and would never talk like this in real life Phillip so go back to the corner you were hiding in. This is not the fight for you.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Lamb is no dummy. He doesn’t want to end up like Amari.

 

[Philmonroe]

You're a coward and would never talk like this in real life Phillip so go back to the corner you were hiding in. This is not the fight for you.

If you say the same stupid stuff in real life I 100% would talk to you like “this”. You’re not some untouchable person nobody challenges. Stop the bs dude

 

[LocoBates]

That is the nature of stats, to compare one to another in terms of performance.

I agree, as long as it is in equal terms, problem is when some stats are taken with no adjustment or consideration of how much the league has changed in said period.
There has to be a website or tool with a fair (adjusted) comparison between Kirk C and Troy A stats, otherwise what the other poster says about it will fool others.

Here are some real life stats for fun:
In 1994 the US avg salary was $23,900
In 2023 the US avg salary is $53,490

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Therefore people in 2023 are rich and people were poor in 1994, yay! for the people of 2023 who are better than those of 1994!
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