PFT: Kyle Shanahan emerges as a full-blown control freak

[cowboyjoe]

Note: I posted this because I figured Hos would get a kick out of this:

Kyle Shanahan emerges as a full-blown control freak
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/07/kyle-shanahan-emerges-as-a-full-blown-control-freak/
Posted by Mike Florio on June 7, 2011, 9:56 AM EDT


In the NFL, where the “N” often stands for “nepotism,” characteristics like, say, being a hard-headed, full-blowb control freak often skip a generation.

That’s not the case for the Shanahans, where the son is emerging to be as rampantly obsessive-compulsive as the father. If not more.

 

[SkinsFan28]

This would probably be the reason Beck thinks he has a shot. Grossman/McNabb aren't the types to follow that type OC. Beck sounds like he is.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I would imagine most OCs and DCs are control freaks.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

I would imagine most OCs and DCs are control freaks.

Yup. I can't imagine Jason Garret lets Tony Romo pick how many steps his drops are.

The NFL offense in 2011 is very high tech, complex and more importantly precise. An offensive coordinator designs a complex offense that relies on everyone doing their job and he has the audacity to expect the QB to run the offense and do his job in the way the scheme is designed. And Mike, good job completely ignoring the fact that Rex Grossman says Kyle is right.

 

[AmishGangsta]

Sounds like a reason to be optimistic, if you're a skins fan:

http://realredskins.com/2011/06/bowen-gannon-defend-kyle-shanahan/

Exact opposite of the Offensive coordinators that have been in DC the last few years.

 

[SaltwaterServr]

Sounds like a reason to be optimistic, if you're a skins fan:

http://realredskins.com/2011/06/bowen-gannon-defend-kyle-shanahan/

Exact opposite of the Offensive coordinators that have been in DC the last few years.

Disagree, to a point. A control freak, OCD type is okay. Maybe one per team. Getting two like that can grate on a person. Nothing you do is right. Nothing you think is good enough, is good enough. If there is enough positive reinforcement on the back of the constant nagging of perfection then it can work, or it can just alienate a guy.

 

[AmishGangsta]

Disagree, to a point. A control freak, OCD type is okay. Maybe one per team. Getting two like that can grate on a person. Nothing you do is right. Nothing you think is good enough, is good enough. If there is enough positive reinforcement on the back of the constant nagging of perfection then it can work, or it can just alienate a guy.

Most of the coaches from that coaching tree - or that run a version of Walsh's offense - are a bunch of control freaks, especially with the Qbs, and those that used to coach QBs.

Starts at the top with Bill Walsh. He was a control freak, and it trickled down the line of coaches that have followed after him. George Seifert was also known to be a control freak, and so was Mike Shanahan (who was a QB coach in the system and later a coordinator). Also, Mike Holmgren (remember how hard he was on Brett Favre), and I think Jon Gruden is as well.

Interesting to look at the coaching tree:

Most of the coaches from that coaching tree are nit-picky when it comes to the QB in their offenses.

Post from a zoner stating something similar:
http://forums.cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142799

Also, here's a good read I found earlier today about former QB coaches:
http://www.afcbeast.com/2011/06/07/for-quarterback-coaches-control-freak-is-a-normal-state/

Now, how many of these guys coached together on the same teams? I need some sleep and I don't really feel like doing that research.

 

[Hoofbite]

Most of the coaches from that coaching tree - or that run a version of Walsh's offense - are a bunch of control freaks, especially with the Qbs, and those that used to coach QBs.

Starts at the top with Bill Walsh. He was a control freak, and it trickled down the line of coaches that have followed after him. George Seifert was also known to be a control freak, and so was Mike Shanahan (who was a QB coach in the system and later a coordinator). Also, Mike Holmgren (remember how hard he was on Brett Favre), and I think Jon Gruden is as well.

Interesting to look at the coaching tree:

Most of the coaches from that coaching tree are nit-picky when it comes to the QB in their offenses.

Post from a zoner stating something similar:
http://forums.cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142799

Also, here's a good read I found earlier today about former QB coaches:
http://www.afcbeast.com/2011/06/07/for-quarterback-coaches-control-freak-is-a-normal-state/

Now, how many of these guys coached together on the same teams? I need some sleep and I don't really feel like doing that research.

When do coaching trees end?

Never?

How far removed from "The Don" can a lowly handyman start taking credit for his own success or style?

 

[AmishGangsta]

When do coaching trees end?

Never?

hmm, I don't know. When do family trees end? I'd like to chop about half the branches off from mine

How far removed from "The Don" can a lowly handyman start taking credit for his own success or style?

A lot of the systems these coaches run now, are very different from each other. They all have their different styles. However, ingrained in the roots of these west coast systems are the fundamentals that Bill Walsh created/preached/taught. He still has a lot of influence, even today. It's a timing/precision based offense that asks a lot from the QBs, and a lot of these coaches I mentioned that run a version of the West Coast offense, are mostly all control freaks - hell, you can probably say that about a lot of coaches in the NFL.

Bill Parcells was a control freak; Bill Belicheck is also.

The article is silly, really, and there was one important part of Rex's interview that Florio decided to take out:

"Donovan McNabb’s benching in Detroit was kind of brewing for a while there” before it happened, and that “there's a lot of things that went on behind the scenes that year that not a lot of people know about.”

Question, for a guy that's supposed to be a leader, how many players do you see coming to his defense? I don't think he's as liked in the locker room as some think.
I think he's phony and his interviews were worse than Jason Campbells.

His interviews were reason enough to jettisin him from the team - absolutely painful.
This lockout needs to end.