PFT: Lions, Cowboys likely to continue hammerlock on Thanksgiving games

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Posted by Mike Florio on November 26, 2009 10:39 AM ET

After last year's 0-16 season from the Detroit Lions, which included a 47-10 blowout loss to the Titans on Thanksgiving, complaints emerged regarding the team's ongoing entitlement to an exclusive national audience on the fourth Thursday in November. (Yeah, we use that a lot as a different way of saying "Thanksgiving," in order to avoid using the word "Thanksgiving" twice in close proximity. On Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving.)

At his annual press conference on the Friday before the Super Bowl, Commissioner Roger Goodell said that any discussion regarding a change to the afternoon games on Thanksgiving would occur later in the year.

Later in the year, however, Goodell said he doesn't think the Lions are in danger of losing that one day per year when, no matter how bad they are, we all get an eyeful of Honolulu Blue.

More recently, NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told us that the issue currently is dormant. "I have heard no discussion of changing Thanksgiving format," Aiello told us via e-mail. "Any potential discussion of a format change would be one for the offseason."

And, of course, we've all typically moved on to other issues by the time the offseason comes.

The argument most often advanced for the status quo comes from the reality that the Lions and the Cowboys were willing to host Thanksgiving games every year at a time when no one else was interested in accepting what was deemed to be a burden, not a benefit.

The other reality? The league has a captive audience on Thanksgiving afternoon.

When fictional NBC president Russell Dalrymple asked George Costanza why anyone would watch a show about nothing, Costanza's response was immediate: "Because it's on TV."

And that theory applies with extra force when it comes to football games on Thanksgiving. It's part of our routine. Families congregate, the televisions activate, and football games accelerate. (Yeah, it doesn't fit. But I really wanted to end that sentence with another word ending in "-ate.")

Why waste the good football games for the day when we'll watch whatever football game is "on TV"?

Case in point: Because CBS and FOX each televise one of the afternoon games and because both Thanksgiving home teams are from the NFC, the CBS game requires a road team from the AFC.

This year, the Lions game airs on FOX, and the Cowboys game goes to CBS.

The Cowboys host two teams from the AFC West: the Chargers and the Raiders.

San Diego at Dallas would have been a great Thanksgiving game. But the captive audience is instead getting Oakland at Dallas, which is widely expected to be a blowout -- Sunday's win by the Raiders over the Bengals notwithstanding.

Though Chargers-Cowboys on December 13 has been, per a source with knowledge of the protected list, blocked by CBS from flexing into prime time, the game begins at 4:15 p.m. ET, and CBS will use it to carry a huge audience into 60 Minutes.

So get used to seeing the Lions and the Cowboys on Thanksgiving, no matter how good -- or bad -- either team is.

Then again, we all should be used to it by now. That's the way it's been for decades, and it likely will be for decades more.
 

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Good to hear. My favorite holiday wouldn't be the same without the 'Boys game.
 

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Nav22;3101896 said:
Good to hear. My favorite holiday wouldn't be the same without the 'Boys game.

Thanksgiving would NOT be the same without Dallas Cowboys Football. I do get tired of hearing about this debate every year though... Make a decision and move on while respecting the tradition.
 

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I believe the mediots draw straws and who has the shortest has to put his name on this article every year for publication.

I swear I read this same thing in the early 80's.
 

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sbuscha;3101897 said:
Thanksgiving would NOT be the same without Dallas Cowboys Football. I do get tired of hearing about this debate every year though... Make a decision and move on while respecting the tradition.

That's because Lamar Hunt kept briniging it up every year in the spring meetings. He was aiming it more at Dallas than Detroit. If I remember right, he said something to that effect. Keepin Detroit, but rotating Dallas.
But now with the NFL Network carries different games so it takes care of part of the issues.

I think it still goes back to the 60's, when the area took to the Cowboys and not the Texans, and he moved them to KC and been bitter ever since.

The issue comes up now yearly, probably from the tree hugger politically correct types.
 

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jazzcat22;3101915 said:
That's because Lamar Hunt kept briniging it up every year in the spring meetings. He was aiming it more at Dallas than Detroit. If I remember right, he said something to that effect. Keepin Detroit, but rotating Dallas.
But now with the NFL Network carries different games so it takes care of part of the issues.

I think it still goes back to the 60's, when the area took to the Cowboys and not the Texans, and he moved them to KC and been bitter ever since.

The issue comes up now yearly, probably from the tree hugger politically correct types.
Lamar Hunt did a lot for the NFL, but he had a classic case of Cowboy envy.
 

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Could have sworn this whole "controversy" was resolved by adding the third game. Silly me.
 

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Boyzmamacita;3101950 said:
Lamar Hunt did a lot for the NFL, but he had a classic case of Cowboy envy.
As long as we're bashing Hunt, its worth remembering a couple of things:

(1) The Chiefs appeared in the Super Bowl before the Cowboys did (SB I vs. SB V)

(2) The Chiefs appeared in multiple Super Bowls before the Cowboys did (SB I & IV vs. SB V and VI)

(3) The Chiefs won a championship before the Cowboys did (AFL in '62 vs. NFC in '70)

(4) The Chiefs won a Super Bowl before the Cowboys did (SB IV vs. SB VI)

(5) If it weren't for Hunt forming the AFL and putting a team in Dallas, the Cowboys might not even exist and we might not even have a "Super Bowl".

You may now return to your regularly scheduled Hunt bash-fest . . .
 

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bbgun;3101960 said:
Could have sworn this whole "controversy" was resolved by adding the third game. Silly me.

Definitely agree with ya there. The NFL Network does solve a lot of problems on Thanksgiving.
 

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fgoodwin;3107180 said:
As long as we're bashing Hunt, its worth remembering a couple of things:

(1) The Chiefs appeared in the Super Bowl before the Cowboys did (SB I vs. SB V)

(2) The Chiefs appeared in multiple Super Bowls before the Cowboys did (SB I & IV vs. SB V and VI)

(3) The Chiefs won a championship before the Cowboys did (AFL in '62 vs. NFC in '70)

(4) The Chiefs won a Super Bowl before the Cowboys did (SB IV vs. SB VI)

(5) If it weren't for Hunt forming the AFL and putting a team in Dallas, the Cowboys might not even exist and we might not even have a "Super Bowl".

You may now return to your regularly scheduled Hunt bash-fest . . .

Yippee


And no other teams besides Dallas and Detroit should host traditional Thanksgiving games.
 

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fgoodwin;3107180 said:
As long as we're bashing Hunt, its worth remembering a couple of things:

(1) The Chiefs appeared in the Super Bowl before the Cowboys did (SB I vs. SB V)

(2) The Chiefs appeared in multiple Super Bowls before the Cowboys did (SB I & IV vs. SB V and VI)

(3) The Chiefs won a championship before the Cowboys did (AFL in '62 vs. NFC in '70)

(4) The Chiefs won a Super Bowl before the Cowboys did (SB IV vs. SB VI)

(5) If it weren't for Hunt forming the AFL and putting a team in Dallas, the Cowboys might not even exist and we might not even have a "Super Bowl".

You may now return to your regularly scheduled Hunt bash-fest . . .

And despite all of that, Hunt had Cowboy envy because the City of Dallas did not embrace his Texans.
 

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Fletch;3107188 said:
Definitely agree with ya there. The NFL Network does solve a lot of problems on Thanksgiving.

They won't be satisfied until they deny us the game altogether. Hell, they've been trying to steal "America's Team" for years.
 

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fgoodwin;3107180 said:
As long as we're bashing Hunt, its worth remembering a couple of things:

(1) The Chiefs appeared in the Super Bowl before the Cowboys did (SB I vs. SB V)

(2) The Chiefs appeared in multiple Super Bowls before the Cowboys did (SB I & IV vs. SB V and VI)

(3) The Chiefs won a championship before the Cowboys did (AFL in '62 vs. NFC in '70)

(4) The Chiefs won a Super Bowl before the Cowboys did (SB IV vs. SB VI)

(5) If it weren't for Hunt forming the AFL and putting a team in Dallas, the Cowboys might not even exist and we might not even have a "Super Bowl".

You may now return to your regularly scheduled Hunt bash-fest . . .

No one was bashing Hunt. Just stating facts about him being po'd about moving out of Dallas. It was his decision.
 

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There would be no argument if the Lions didn't suck so bad. I half want them to win just so this topic can go away, at least for a few years anyway.
 

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WoodysGirl;3101892 said:
Posted by Mike Florio on November 26, 2009 10:39 AM ET

After last year's 0-16 season from the Detroit Lions, which included a 47-10 blowout loss to the Titans on Thanksgiving, complaints emerged regarding the team's ongoing entitlement to an exclusive national audience on the fourth Thursday in November. (Yeah, we use that a lot as a different way of saying "Thanksgiving," in order to avoid using the word "Thanksgiving" twice in close proximity. On Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving.)

At his annual press conference on the Friday before the Super Bowl, Commissioner Roger Goodell said that any discussion regarding a change to the afternoon games on Thanksgiving would occur later in the year.

Later in the year, however, Goodell said he doesn't think the Lions are in danger of losing that one day per year when, no matter how bad they are, we all get an eyeful of Honolulu Blue.

More recently, NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told us that the issue currently is dormant. "I have heard no discussion of changing Thanksgiving format," Aiello told us via e-mail. "Any potential discussion of a format change would be one for the offseason."

And, of course, we've all typically moved on to other issues by the time the offseason comes.

The argument most often advanced for the status quo comes from the reality that the Lions and the Cowboys were willing to host Thanksgiving games every year at a time when no one else was interested in accepting what was deemed to be a burden, not a benefit.

The other reality? The league has a captive audience on Thanksgiving afternoon.

When fictional NBC president Russell Dalrymple asked George Costanza why anyone would watch a show about nothing, Costanza's response was immediate: "Because it's on TV."

And that theory applies with extra force when it comes to football games on Thanksgiving. It's part of our routine. Families congregate, the televisions activate, and football games accelerate. (Yeah, it doesn't fit. But I really wanted to end that sentence with another word ending in "-ate.")

Why waste the good football games for the day when we'll watch whatever football game is "on TV"?

Case in point: Because CBS and FOX each televise one of the afternoon games and because both Thanksgiving home teams are from the NFC, the CBS game requires a road team from the AFC.

This year, the Lions game airs on FOX, and the Cowboys game goes to CBS.

The Cowboys host two teams from the AFC West: the Chargers and the Raiders.

San Diego at Dallas would have been a great Thanksgiving game. But the captive audience is instead getting Oakland at Dallas, which is widely expected to be a blowout -- Sunday's win by the Raiders over the Bengals notwithstanding.

Though Chargers-Cowboys on December 13 has been, per a source with knowledge of the protected list, blocked by CBS from flexing into prime time, the game begins at 4:15 p.m. ET, and CBS will use it to carry a huge audience into 60 Minutes.

So get used to seeing the Lions and the Cowboys on Thanksgiving, no matter how good -- or bad -- either team is.

Then again, we all should be used to it by now. That's the way it's been for decades, and it likely will be for decades more.

I hope they do leave Thanksgiving Day game alone. Me and my family have attended every single one except the 1st one.
 

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People should be careful what they wish for. Being put in such a slot might just highlight how much nobody gives a crap outside your local market when the ratings drop like lead.
 

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vta;3107576 said:
People should be careful what they wish for. Being put in such a slot might just highlight how much nobody gives a crap outside your local market when the ratings drop like lead.

Well, that is actually a valid point. I often wondered about why our T-day matchups have been so ho-hum as of late. In the 90's, we would get teams like Green Bay, Minny, Steelers, and now we get the Raiders, Seahawks, and Bucs.

I wonder if the NFL is doing this so that ratings drop and there is justification to rotate the games.

Also, the NFL Network was pumping the Giants/Broncos game as the main course for T-day. Obviously the NFL has a stake in their own network, and wanted their game to shine in the face of the day's competition.
 
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