News: PFT: QB Cooper Rush has no injury designation; RG Zack Martin out

[blueblood70]

Will be just like Tyron Smith. Someone will overpay, but as was the case with Tyron. It won’t be us.

Overpay huh I find that ironic because everyone said it would have been cheap to keep this dude here and that Jerry was crazy and an idiot for letting him go because why he started off the season with two good games and now he's had a horrible his worst year as a professional and now he's injured again but now all the hindsight kicks in and everyone forgets how they yelled at Jerry for not spending the 6,000,000 on tyron Smith.,,,hmmmm

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

No.

10M per year.

I don’t think he can get top 10 guard money after what he’s shown this season, compiled with him talking about retirement for the past two years

 

[CWR]

ZM will be one of the top G in FA this March.

looking at a 1-2 year 20M contract.

I would not sign anything over 2 years, unless there is a ton of GTD $.

Even then, it's time to move forward. These older guys rarely return to form or improve. I'm not saying he can't, but the smart process isn't to pay for past production.

 

[CWR]

Overpay huh I find that ironic because everyone said it would have been cheap to keep this dude here and that Jerry was crazy and an idiot for letting him go because why he started off the season with two good games and now he's had a horrible his worst year as a professional and now he's injured again but now all the hindsight kicks in and everyone forgets how they yelled at Jerry for not spending the 6,000,000 on tyron Smith.,,,hmmmm

Jerry was terrible this off season. We lost what 10 guys who all spent a significant time in the starting line up? His answer to replace everyone was relying on rookies and Kendricks.

It wasn't who we lost in most cases it was how badly he undervalued them and thought they could be replaced by anyone.

It wasn't a serious approach at winning this season. Worst of all, had we actually gone "all in" the best teams in the conference aren't really dominant. We'd have had a better chance than normal at advancing.

 

[blueblood70]

Jerry was terrible this off season. We lost what 10 guys who all spent a significant time in the starting line up? His answer to replace everyone was relying on rookies and Kendricks.

It wasn't who we lost in most cases it was how badly he undervalued them and thought they could be replaced by anyone.

It wasn't a serious approach at winning this season. Worst of all, had we actually gone "all in" the best teams in the conference aren't really dominant. We'd have had a better chance than normal at advancing.

blah blah blah..not new news but Hendricks has been very good. not all but most of our problems have been attrition with injuries and bad coaching combined with soem rookies needing time to come around. We wont be falling of a cliff this team has talent and hope for better Off season and back on it for 2025.. this is like 2020 and a little like 2015 will end up back the next year.. far to much to overcome..

 

[CWR]

blah blah blah..not new news but Hendricks has been very good. not all but most of our problems have been attrition with injuries and bad coaching combined with soem rookies needing time to come around. We wont be falling of a cliff this team has talent and hope for better Off season and back on it for 2025.. this is like 2020 and a little like 2015 will end up back the next year.. far to much to overcome..

At what point did I say we would be falling off a cliff? In fact I've never said we don't have talent and can't fix this in an off season. I've said the opposite multiple times so I'm confused as to what you're blabbering about.

Not having depth or adequate starters is 100% on the GM. Carry his water all you want. It was a lazy off season, utilizing a broken strategy. It's been proven time and again you can't abstain from free agency.

 

[blueblood70]

At what point did I say we would be falling off a cliff? In fact I've never said we don't have talent and can't fix this in an off season. I've said the opposite multiple times so I'm confused as to what you're blabbering about.

Not having depth or adequate starters is 100% on the GM. Carry his water all you want. It was a lazy off season, utilizing a broken strategy. It's been proven time and again you can't abstain from free agency.

and i'm telling you there's not A GM on this planet make up for losing 4 pass rushers and three corners all within weeks of each other in multiple positions all mostly on D, lost too many players. Its attrition. than we lost the QB and WR is 50%, starting TE, out, backup TE out, . as player finally start getting back some key players, Diggs go out, bell gone, Thomas gone. it went from a slide to an avalanche. No keeping up with those holes..

could jerry do a better job sure he can.. and again, no GM can plan for that many players going down.... so you're like this there's no sense....he offseason and what could have been

this is 2020 all over again far too many injuries along with growing pains from young payers, its simple get the, all back new staff as i blame them for the early season with bad game plans, poor group choices for situational football, poor in game adjustments ie no plan etc so by the time they see their errors its an avalanche of injuries, , so get that changed and we are back on track..

so in this case this year that whole we didn't do enough in the FA period doesn't apply not this type of injury plague, it would not have helped.

 

[CWR]

and i'm telling you there's not A GM on this planet make up for losing 4 pass rushers and three corners all within weeks of each other in multiple positions all mostly on D, lost too many players. Its attrition. than we lost the QB and WR is 50%, starting TE, out, backup TE out, . as player finally start getting back some key players, Diggs go out, bell gone, Thomas gone. it went from a slide to an avalanche. No keeping up with those holes..

could jerry do a better job sure he can.. and again, no GM can plan for that many players going down.... so you're like this there's no sense....he offseason and what could have been

this is 2020 all over again far too many injuries along with growing pains from young payers, its simple get the, all back new staff as i blame them for the early season with bad game plans, poor group choices for situational football, poor in game adjustments ie no plan etc so by the time they see their errors its an avalanche of injuries, , so get that changed and we are back on track..

so in this case this year that whole we didn't do enough in the FA period doesn't apply not this type of injury plague, it would not have helped.

I dont expect to be able to lose 4 guys at the same position and not miss a beat.

That said we only replaced one of those guys in the draft and did NOTHING in free agency. Two left in FA and one was lost before the season, yet we didnt flinch. We've also struggled at DT. We let Hankins walk and did a poor job replacing him as well.

We did NOTHING at rb. Instead we tried a ridiculous committee of washed up players. I like Rico, but even the coaches weren't sold.

Our entire strategy was based on hope. We hope we can bring in a bunch of rookies and replace 11 players. Hope is not a tactic.

We don't even need to get into the fact Jerry wouldn't have replaced a single coach after the GB disaster, had DQ not forced his hand.

It's mind numbing people are still defending this FO. Laziest off season i can recall, and all after trolling the fanbase about going "all in."

 

[blueblood70]

I dont expect to be able to lose 4 guys at the same position and not miss a beat.

That said we only replaced one of those guys in the draft and did NOTHING in free agency. Two left in FA and one was lost before the season, yet we didnt flinch. We've also struggled at DT. We let Hankins walk and did a poor job replacing him as well.

We did NOTHING at rb. Instead we tried a ridiculous committee of washed up players. I like Rico, but even the coaches weren't sold.

Our entire strategy was based on hope. We hope we can bring in a bunch of rookies and replace 11 players. Hope is not a tactic.

We don't even need to get into the fact Jerry wouldn't have replaced a single coach after the GB disaster, had DQ not forced his hand.

It's mind numbing people are still defending this FO. Laziest off season i can recall, and all after trolling the fanbase about going "all in."

you keep skipping over the obvious it wouldn't have mattered it had a had a strong free agency they still wouldn't have been able to recover from this many injuries it just can't happen it wouldn't happen you keep thinking it would happen but no team can recover from this many injuries hell I think san Francisco's a total joke they've lost about 1/3 of what we lost and they're supposed to be competing for a Super Bowl and they're below 500 Cincinnati the same thing I mean look at that team I mean look how loaded some of these teams are supposed to be and have all this depth and they can't even cover up 3 injuries seriously you live in a delusional world where you think hey if just Jerry would have got us better players at the beginning no that doesn't work in a scenario like this or 2020 where you have 18 injuries and so many at critical positions at the same position so those would have been weak spots no matter what that another team would have picked on but hey you wanna talk about depth


everyone kept saying they don't get enough players in the offseason well what do you call having guys that almost look better than our starters on the offensive line I mean bass and Hoffman are absolutely gonna be starters in this league they may not be pro bowlers but this is on the coaching staff for not using players like Turpin and not rearranging the offensive line earlier as soon as they realize guyton was struggling or when he got injured and was in and out and saw what the lineup looked like with Smith at left tackle and using bass and pulling out an injured Martin and putting Hoffman in would have improved and also using Rico earlier you're blaming this all on depth and really the running back by committee steak was made by the coaching staff Rico should have been getting 20 carries a game from the beginning and last year I think Rico should have got all the carries Tony got and then let Tony get the carries that Rico got in this world it looked a whole lot different at running back I think you all keep dropping the obvious it's the coaching staff more so than the bad offseason and yes they could have done more I'm not in a disagreement there but I'm telling you right now a lot of our problems start the first five weeks of this season getting throttled by the Saints had nothing to do with the offseason that's everything to do with the coaching staff that can't devise a game plan can't make proper adjustments in the game get out coached don't even bring in the right groupings it's like they're experimenting during the season which you're supposed to do in training camp literally Rico it was obvious last year that he could be a starting running back maybe not dynamic..

and the fact you all are overlooking this too are guys like hunter if he would have been utilized last year more I don't think Jerry Jones would have thought about bringing back zeke the only reason they brought back zeke is they thought we needed short yardage we needed better blocking from the running back position and goal line but we could have had that already between Rico and hunter but because of the coaching staff just the bad evaluations that use of talent the way these guys are used are backwards this is on the coaching staff yes I agree Jerry could have done a better job but there's no way to cover up this many injuries with depth, that depth does not exist.

What does exist would have been a coaching staff that recognized who do use when to use them and keep using them and not ice your own players they've done this so many times this year they cost us games early on those games early on had nothing to do with that we're relatively healthy outside of Durham bland this was another coaching staff wasting another year by being clueless on who they had here and how they properly use them that's my opinion it will always be my opinion and I'm not disagreeing with you totally about Jerry not being more aggressive in free agency but they had players on this team to make our run game look better and a block better and I'm telling you the use of Turpin on offense would have helped the wide receiver issue when cooks went down I I I don't think you see it and you should see it Mike McCarthy is the most horrible offensive coordinator we've had here since the Dave campo days he's not creative he doesn't know how to use he was right where he just flat out refuses to do so..

 

[blueblood70]

I dont expect to be able to lose 4 guys at the same position and not miss a beat.

That said we only replaced one of those guys in the draft and did NOTHING in free agency. Two left in FA and one was lost before the season, yet we didnt flinch. We've also struggled at DT. We let Hankins walk and did a poor job replacing him as well.

We did NOTHING at rb. Instead we tried a ridiculous committee of washed up players. I like Rico, but even the coaches weren't sold.

Our entire strategy was based on hope. We hope we can bring in a bunch of rookies and replace 11 players. Hope is not a tactic.

We don't even need to get into the fact Jerry wouldn't have replaced a single coach after the GB disaster, had DQ not forced his hand.

It's mind numbing people are still defending this FO. Laziest off season i can recall, and all after trolling the fanbase about going "all in."

add to my long winded one I'm gonna have a second one if you don't think we have depth then where does guys like Hoffman bass and at one time we picked up steel this is part of an offseason undrafted free agents or guys we picked up of somebody else's practice guy whatever it is we're building to that you remember that one time that they said we never can get the safety group right huh that's weird because last I checked not only did we have ****** Donovan Wilson and at one time curse they drafted bill and they drafted Thomas. that depth

let's keep going a while back after the whole debacle at corner now all of a sudden we have Trayvon diggs Deron bland and Jay Lou all playing very well probably one of the better three if you go to all teams and look at the top three we gotta be in there oh but then here comes guys like Butler I mean he did get hurt but you don't call that depth I mean they go out and get these guys that's the scouting department don't blame Jerry he does use his scouting department he uses his assistant GM we know his name is will mcclay and they go out and they draft and they yes sometimes pick up bargain basement free ages but sometimes they workout kendricks is pretty damn good and i know he's short term but let's not be short sighted that is depth,.I mean at LB they draft Liafu , bring in kendricks, hvae some guys here like Clark, vigil and Buddy to possibly take step at some point, that not depth?

all of sudden Gholston looks like a solid replacement for Armstrong and iF Williams want lost for seaosn the DE issue from fowler/Armstrong departing doesn't looked unplanned full of holes, literally Lost ALL of our DE at one point IE ALL...

qb depth so far looks good, TES not bad, sure the WRs need some work, BUT like I said in my other post I think this is more of a system problem this is more of a philosophical issue with Mike McCarthy's offense tolbert doesn't look that bad but if Turpin would've been used more properly just like Rico and yes now I'm getting to the running backs we do need a new guy there we should have drafted a running back but outside of that this team is full of depth that you're ignoring you're literally ignoring lots of obvious signs that there were a lot of guys here that have been in the wings developing and have there not been so much attrition at corner and defensive end this defense would have looked a lot different yes even I know they were healthy in the Saints game but that was a big problem with game planning and what not that's a coaching staff issue that's not a player issue I'm not saying things couldn't get better or be better I think you're over reacting to how bad the offseason was to you yes running back that's the only one that just glaring light that we could have used another guy a young guy behind Rico but if Rico would have been used more properly early in the season we probably wouldn't be so down on the run game and the misappropriation of not making the move once Guyton went down and we saw Tyler Smith at left tackle and we saw bass at left guard this line looked a lot better this is a p....blem with the scheme and the coaching..

So I'm gonna give you my point that I've been saying look this is like 2020 and what happened after 2020 that was like massive attrition just like now we went on three-year run that we won 36 games two division titles went to the playoffs three straight years this is not a falling off the Cliff moment we have a lot more talent here if it can stay healthy I mean then you add in cooks lamb and Prescott and now Ferguson I mean we can't win we finally get some of our defensive players back and look better on defense and special teams and now we're some of our best players on offense it is attrition it is more because of injuries I'm not making excuses but if you add in the coaching philosophies you're blaming the front office and I see a whole lot more talent on this team than you do outside of yes a huge mistake not getting a running back in the draft probably in the third round would have helped this team out and maybe getting one of these other wide receivers once cooks went out but if they use turp improperly I don't think this would have been a big story here he could have been the number 2 for a while or at least the number three but he makes this offense more dynamic and they refuse to give him enough targets in my opinion..

And I'm leaving the best for last defensive tackle yes we need to be better up the middle so running back in defensive tackle I mean they did bring in a lot of defensive tackles they were hoping like kendricks that one of these three guys they brought in would be a little bit more consistent and Joseph, Phillips, and Mazi altogether rotating you would think it would be a little bit better..

So with a good draft adding a few pieces this team will be right back in the mix next year I just don't see what other people are trying to intimate and I'm not making excuses for Jerry should have been a little bit better in the offseason but that did not 'cause our problems it was injuries and coaching it is that simple...
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[CWR]

add to my long winded one I'm gonna have a second one if you don't think we have depth then where does guys like Hoffman bass and at one time we picked up steel this is part of an offseason undrafted free agents or guys we picked up of somebody else's practice guy whatever it is we're building to that you remember that one time that they said we never can get the safety group right huh that's weird because last I checked not only did we have ****** Donovan Wilson and at one time curse they drafted bill and they drafted Thomas. that depth

let's keep going a while back after the whole debacle at corner now all of a sudden we have Trayvon diggs Deron bland and Jay Lou all playing very well probably one of the better three if you go to all teams and look at the top three we gotta be in there oh but then here comes guys like Butler I mean he did get hurt but you don't call that depth I mean they go out and get these guys that's the scouting department don't blame Jerry he does use his scouting department he uses his assistant GM we know his name is will mcclay and they go out and they draft and they yes sometimes pick up bargain basement free ages but sometimes they workout kendricks is pretty damn good and i know he's short term but let's not be short sighted that is depth,.I mean at LB they draft Liafu , bring in kendricks, hvae some guys here like Clark, vigil and Buddy to possibly take step at some point, that not depth?

all of sudden Gholston looks like a solid replacement for Armstrong and iF Williams want lost for seaosn the DE issue from fowler/Armstrong departing doesn't looked unplanned full of holes, literally Lost ALL of our DE at one point IE ALL...

qb depth so far looks good, TES not bad, sure the WRs need some work, BUT like I said in my other post I think this is more of a system problem this is more of a philosophical issue with Mike McCarthy's offense tolbert doesn't look that bad but if Turpin would've been used more properly just like Rico and yes now I'm getting to the running backs we do need a new guy there we should have drafted a running back but outside of that this team is full of depth that you're ignoring you're literally ignoring lots of obvious signs that there were a lot of guys here that have been in the wings developing and have there not been so much attrition at corner and defensive end this defense would have looked a lot different yes even I know they were healthy in the Saints game but that was a big problem with game planning and what not that's a coaching staff issue that's not a player issue I'm not saying things couldn't get better or be better I think you're over reacting to how bad the offseason was to you yes running back that's the only one that just glaring light that we could have used another guy a young guy behind Rico but if Rico would have been used more properly early in the season we probably wouldn't be so down on the run game and the misappropriation of not making the move once Guyton went down and we saw Tyler Smith at left tackle and we saw bass at left guard this line looked a lot better this is a p....blem with the scheme and the coaching..

So I'm gonna give you my point that I've been saying look this is like 2020 and what happened after 2020 that was like massive attrition just like now we went on three-year run that we won 36 games two division titles went to the playoffs three straight years this is not a falling off the Cliff moment we have a lot more talent here if it can stay healthy I mean then you add in cooks lamb and Prescott and now Ferguson I mean we can't win we finally get some of our defensive players back and look better on defense and special teams and now we're some of our best players on offense it is attrition it is more because of injuries I'm not making excuses but if you add in the coaching philosophies you're blaming the front office and I see a whole lot more talent on this team than you do outside of yes a huge mistake not getting a running back in the draft probably in the third round would have helped this team out and maybe getting one of these other wide receivers once cooks went out but if they use turp improperly I don't think this would have been a big story here he could have been the number 2 for a while or at least the number three but he makes this offense more dynamic and they refuse to give him enough targets in my opinion..

And I'm leaving the best for last defensive tackle yes we need to be better up the middle so running back in defensive tackle I mean they did bring in a lot of defensive tackles they were hoping like kendricks that one of these three guys they brought in would be a little bit more consistent and Joseph, Phillips, and Mazi altogether rotating you would think it would be a little bit better..

So with a good draft adding a few pieces this team will be right back in the mix next year I just don't see what other people are trying to intimate and I'm not making excuses for Jerry should have been a little bit better in the offseason but that did not 'cause our problems it was injuries and coaching it is that simple...
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Our weaknesses going into the off season were on dline, DT in particular, and rb. LB was a concern but a lot of us expected Overshown to be good. I also thought Clark would be ok in his natural position. Kendricks and a rookie was NOT a bad plan.

I took issue with our two biggest weaknesses continuing to be exploited.

We needed help running the ball and stopping the run.

I like what we did on the oline. I hated doing next to nothing at the RB position as well as keeping the same staff who coordinates our run game.

I hated not making a push for better D tackles and hoping Mazi was the answer based on draft status the year prior and not performance. Doesn't mean I wouldn't give Mazi a chance, it meant I didn't want to rely on him.

I also have NEVER trusted Sam Williams. I wanted more at DE even prior to his injury. I thought Armstrong was undervalued here.

I'm not unrealistic in wanting to see a bigger push towards fixing the same problems we've had since the Rams and CJ Anderson mauled us in 2018.