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AS EXPECTED, BARBER CLAIMS CREDIT FOR GIANTS WIN

Posted by Mike Florio on February 8, 2008, 7:35 a.m.

We recently observed — half-jokingly — that former Giants running back Tiki Barber would find a way to claim credit for his old team’s victory in Super Bowl XLII.

And our sort-of joke ended up being sort of right.

Though the article reads like it’s the idea of William C. Rhoden of the New York Times and that Tiki is only partially agreeing, the gist of the item is obvious — his departure and ensuing criticism of men like coach Tom Coughlin and quarterback Eli Manning helped the team get to a level that it never was able to achieve with Tiki on the team.

Rhoden launches into his theory with this: “Retiring star players often set the foundation for future success.”

Huh? We’ve been following sports for a long time now, and we can’t think of many dynasties that were launched because a key player left. In fact, the only situation we can think of was Don Mattingly leaving the Yankees a year too early, but we can’t recall anyone suggesting that his departure actually helped the team get over the top.

Then Rhoden says this: “Barber laid the foundation for what happened this season, from taking on Coughlin, to challenging Manning to step up, to tutoring Brandon Jacobs.”

Said Barber, when asked about it by Rhoden: “[E]ven criticizing someone is a way of getting them to think about themselves.” As to whether his criticism of Eli Manning was helpful, Barber said, “In this case, it made him stand up and I guess become aware.”

We agree with Barber, but it’s important to remember that he didn’t do what he did to help the team win. Every action he took and word that he spoke was an act of selfishness, and the fact that it had a positive effect on the team was coincidental, and ironic.

What’s not ironic is Barber’s decision to turn the attention back to himself. That’s his normal approach, and he’s happy for the spotlight, even when being in it by all rights should be an embarrassment.​
 
For Barber and Giants, a Parting, Then an Embrace

By WILLIAM C. RHODEN
Published: February 8, 2008

For the past few days, the million dollar question in New York — outside of whether Roger Clemens did it or didn’t do it — is how Tiki Barber feels about the Giants’ rousing Super Bowl victory.

Speculation has been wide ranging: Barber must feel crushed. Barber must feel awful to have played so many years and never earned a ring.

There was even speculation that if the Giants won, Barber’s former teammates would turn a cold shoulder if he tried to interview them in his new capacity as a broadcast journalist.

Didn’t happen.

On Sunday amid confetti and a wild celebration, Barber was actually embraced by some of his former teammates. Immediately after the victory, Eli Manning, whom Barber had called out to be more of a leader, gave Barber a one-on-one interview for the “Today” show.

“Those are my guys,” Barber said Thursday from his home in Manhattan. “I went down on the field after the game, and there wasn’t one guy who didn’t come up and give me a big hug and say, ‘God, I wish you were still here.’ There wasn’t one guy.”

Retiring star players often set the foundation for future success. In Barber’s case, his criticism of Coach Tom Coughlin and of Manning might have paid dividends this season. You can argue that Barber’s tactics became too public. But often, the only way to bring about change is to confront — sometimes embarrass — authority. Barber laid the foundation for what happened this season, from taking on Coughlin, to challenging Manning to step up, to tutoring Brandon Jacobs.

“I feel great joy for them because I know in a lot of ways I helped a lot of guys on that team,” Barber said. “I know Brandon was someone who benefited from me being there; even criticizing someone is a way of getting them to think about themselves.”

I asked Barber if he thought his criticism of Manning helped prod him out of a shell. “I don’t know, cause Eli doesn’t pay attention, ” Barber said laughing. “In this case, it made him stand up and I guess become aware.”

Last summer, a current Giants veteran, who is a member of Coughlin’s advisory board of players, confirmed the effectiveness of Barber’s outspokenness in an e-mail message. Under the subject line of “Miss U,” the message read:

“You would be happy to know all your work paid off for us. Tom has been unbelievably cool this year. Took us bowling last night instead of meetings and just been joking around and busting on guys all the time. You would be impressed by his transformation.”

Barber said he chatted with Jeremy Shockey, the Giants’ injured tight end, after the team’s dramatic victory in Green Bay in the National Football Conference title game. Shockey wanted to know how Barber was taking the Giants’ success.

“We chatted on text message a little bit,” Barber said. “He was like, ‘Aw, you got to be dying.’ I said, ‘Jeremy, I’ve been out of this a year already, I’m not dying.’ ”

I wondered: was Shockey dying? “It was upsetting to him because people were saying they got that far because he wasn’t there,” Barber said. “His response to me was, ‘The people who know, know that’s not true, and that’s all that matters.’ ”

In the midst of all the “how must Tiki feel” speculation, I thought about Oscar Robertson, one the greatest basketball players ever.

Robertson was a star at Cincinnati and led the Bearcats to the Final Four in 1960. The season after Robertson left, Cincinnati won the first of two consecutive national championships. I wondered how he felt.

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“I was really happy for them,” Robertson said Thursday from his home in Cincinnati. “Everything is timing, you know.”

Robertson said that when the star player left, younger players who watched and took notes often stepped up the next season. “All that time, when the star is taking all that heat, getting double- and triple-teamed, you’ve got to learn something,” Robertson said. “Without even knowing it, sometimes you lay a foundation.”

Was there any part of him that wished he were there to enjoy the thrill of winning the national championship?

“Naturally, I would have liked to have won while I was there, but I had my time,” he said. “I couldn’t go back; I had my time.”

Barber was in Tampa, Fla., on Monday looking at real estate in connection with a partnership to build affordable housing. Among real estate, broadcasting and publishing a new book, Barber has an open field before him.

He said there was also no sorrow, no remorse. “I feel a lot of joy for them,” he said. “I really do.”

Believe Barber or don’t believe him, but time has moved on and he has moved on with it. I’d suggest that Giants fans savor this special time in franchise history because the moment is fleeting, indeed.

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I agree. Tiki is the reason they were able to win the Super Bowl.

Once the cancer was removed good things happen.
 
nyc;1947533 said:
I agree. Tiki is the reason they were able to win the Super Bowl.

Once the cancer was removed good things happen.


Well the Giants had two cancers and one Toomer on offense........once the two cancers were gone (Barber and Shockey)....they were able to be successful even with the Toomer....
 
Biggems;1947536 said:
Well the Giants had two cancers and one Toomer on offense........once the two cancers were gone (Barber and Shockey)....they were able to be successful even with the Toomer....

:lmao:
 
Biggems;1947536 said:
Well the Giants had two cancers and one Toomer on offense........once the two cancers were gone (Barber and Shockey)....they were able to be successful even with the Toomer....

I still say that if Shockey was healthy, they'd have never made that run late in the season.
 
WoodysGirl;1947529 said:
Said Barber, when asked about it by Rhoden: “[E]ven criticizing someone is a way of getting them to think about themselves.” As to whether his criticism of Eli Manning was helpful, Barber said, “In this case, it made him stand up and I guess become aware.”
No ****. They didn't think ABOUT themselves but more TO themselves and asked, why did we ever think this guy was a teammate or a friend?

Instead of thanking Tom for saving his career when he turned him from a fumble-machine to a half-decent RB he goes and talks about his coaching. He stabs his teammates in the back and talk about Eli looking like an idiot when trying to rally the guys.

Yeah Tiki, you are the reason the Giants won the SB:rolleyes: .
 
Well I will agree with one thing.... he criticism of the team and Eli did HELP CREATE that CHIP ON THEIR SHOULDER....

He has a point.... a small point... but a point nonetheless
 
nyc;1947533 said:
I agree. Tiki is the reason they were able to win the Super Bowl.

Once the cancer was removed good things happen.

Exactly! :lmao:
 
Of course he's going to claim some sort of credit. he has to feel like an idiot for retiring and then they won it without him.
 
YoMick;1948004 said:
Well I will agree with one thing.... he criticism of the team and Eli did HELP CREATE that CHIP ON THEIR SHOULDER....

He has a point.... a small point... but a point nonetheless


He has a point atop his head.

Just when I thought no one was as obnoxious as Bryant Gumbel, here comes Tiki.
 
Biggems;1947536 said:
Well the Giants had two cancers and one Toomer on offense........once the two cancers were gone (Barber and Shockey)....they were able to be successful even with the Toomer....

good one :laugh1:
 
Biggems;1947536 said:
Well the Giants had two cancers and one Toomer on offense........once the two cancers were gone (Barber and Shockey)....they were able to be successful even with the Toomer....

It's not ah Toomer!

Nice one.

I gotta agree with Tiki to some degree, his leaving probably did give everyone in that locker room a common enemy, which can help unite teams with no better reason to get along.
 
WoodysGirl;1947529 said:
important to remember that he didn’t do what he did to help the team win. Every action he took and word that he spoke was an act of selfishness, and the fact that it had a positive effect on the team was coincidental, and ironic.

What’s not ironic is Barber’s decision to turn the attention back to himself. That’s his normal approach, and he’s happy for the spotlight, even when being in it by all rights should be an embarrassment.

Hey Tiki!

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The Giants took every negative thing said about them and built a friggin bonfire. Reverse psychology works sometimes:storm:
 
ELDudearino;1948349 said:
The Giants took every negative thing said about them and built a friggin bonfire. Reverse psychology works sometimes:storm:

That is the national anthem of the self loathing Cowboy fans who predicted us to lose every game until they were finally right.
 
TheCount;1948368 said:
That is the national anthem of the self loathing Cowboy fans who predicted us to lose every game until they were finally right.


:confused::confused::confused:

I was talking about the Giants taking negative comments and creating wins..
 

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