PFW NFC Whispers: Philly OL Winston Justice on trading block

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The Eagles have put Winston Justice on the block. The fact that he’s available speaks volumes about what they think of Justice, considering that the team sorely needs to develop a tackle with both Tra Thomas and Jon Runyan hitting free agency and Runyan out 4-6 months following microfracture surgery. The Eagles’ coaches never found a good home for Justice, and he might never be more than a backup left guard or emergency tackle for another team.

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The Commanders are concerned that WR Malcolm Kelly’s knee is going to be an annual problem. Kelly is continuing to rehab following a mostly lost rookie season, which was slowed by said knee, but despite head coach Jim Zorn’s optimism about his young wideout, we hear that team officials worry that the injury will be a source of concern and unsteadiness for the foreseeable future.

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Don’t look for the Packers to move Charles Woodson to strong safety as they did late last season. “I foresee Charles staying on the corner,” Packers head coach Mike McCarthy told PFW at the Combine. “He’s obviously played the nickel for us, too. I think the defensive change will definitely help him. A player with Charles’ experience and understanding of how the opponent is trying to attack him, the ability to play with more vision to the football, I think will definitely allow him to get more opportunities to get his hands on the ball.”

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Don’t be surprised if the Lions consider free-agent MLB Mike Peterson, who won’t return to the Jaguars. Peterson’s stock is a bit down after clashing with head coach Jack Del Rio and seeing a dip in his production, but the Lions need major help on the defensive end, including some hitters at linebacker, and Detroit might be a decent option for Peterson to revive his career at age 32.

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We hear the Bears will probably decide to hang on to veteran CB Nathan Vasher, even though his status has diminished after a subpar 2008 campaign. In addition to the Bears having to take a cap hit of more than $4.76 million if they released Vasher, it’s also worth noting that his exit would leave the team’s CB ranks dangerously thin, with Zack Bowman, Trumaine McBride and Rudy Burgess being the only other corners under contract aside from Charles Tillman, who is coming off of reconstructive surgery on his right shoulder, and Corey Graham.

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After unloading big bucks to re-sign OLT Jordan Gross and designate DE Julius Peppers as their franchise player, the Panthers will make some cuts before the start of free agency on Feb. 27 to clear cap space, we’re told. The most likely cap casualties include LB Landon Johnson, WR D.J. Hackett, OT-OG Jeremy Bridges and CB Ken Lucas. Releasing those four players would clear more than $7 million in cap space, sources say.

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While adding pieces to the defense will be the Saints’ main focus this offseason, head coach Sean Payton said he’ll be looking to for a power running back in free agency or the draft to be used in 3rd-and-short situations. He admitted to having some concerns about the durability of his top two rushers, Reggie Bush and Pierre Thomas, and will pursue a back with “some size” and “staying power inside (the tackles).”

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Considering his track record, you can never rule out Seahawks team president Tim Ruskell as an active participant in the free-agent market. But the way we were hearing it at this year’s Combine, it has become more and more unlikely that he will come anywhere close to considering any high-profile free agents such as Titans DT Albert Haynesworth and Bengals WR T.J. Houshmandzadeh, both of whom would be decent fits in Seattle. Ruskell told a team insider in Indianapolis that franchising Leroy Hill will be by far the most significant free-agent move the team will make this year.

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It appears Rams head coach Steve Spagnuolo isn’t quite ready to officially move LB Will Witherspoon from the middle to the weak side, as most daily team observers expect him to do. “A final decision hasn’t been made on that,” Spagnuolo told PFW at this year’s Combine. “But you’ve got to remember, Kenny Flajole, our defensive coordinator, worked with Will (in Carolina), so he has a pretty good idea of his abilities. As we see it all unfold with the other players around him, we’ll make that call.”

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/The+Way+We+Hear+It/Whispers/2009/wrapup022209.htm
 

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The Eagles are likely to draft another tackle. That should tell you all that is needed about Justice. They've given up and rightfully so.
 

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I remember the meltdown when we didn't land Justice. There were some pretty upset people. Looks like the Cowboy brass made the right call with him.
 

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All anyone needed to every know about Justice was found out two years ago against Osi and the Giants.

I know he was young, and shouldn't have been left one on one, but honestly there is no excuse for playing that poorly even without help.

His pride and competitiveness should have kicked in at some point and stopped the bleeding from that gaping wound that Osi created while kicking his tail.

Unfortunately for the kid it never did.
 

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big dog cowboy;2649866 said:
I remember the meltdown when we didn't land Justice. There were some pretty upset people. Looks like the Cowboy brass made the right call with him.


Impossible. That has to be a simple case of another team being stupid and the Cowboys getting lucky. No way they were smart enough to not draft that guy.

You should know by now that the management here deserves no credit for anything.
 

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BraveHeartFan;2649870 said:
Impossible. That has to be a simple case of another team being stupid and the Cowboys getting lucky. No way they were smart enough to not draft that guy.

You should know by now that the management here deserves no credit for anything.

Lately that seems to be the case.
 

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big dog cowboy;2649866 said:
I remember the meltdown when we didn't land Justice. There were some pretty upset people. Looks like the Cowboy brass made the right call with him.

Yep, he was a great workout warrior. Something to keep in mind right now at combine time.
 

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Chocolate Lab;2649905 said:
Yep, he was a great workout warrior. Something to keep in mind right now at combine time.


I'm starting to wonder if Vernon Davis wasn't just that, a workout warrior.
 

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big dog cowboy;2649866 said:
I remember the meltdown when we didn't land Justice. There were some pretty upset people. Looks like the Cowboy brass made the right call with him.

Sure, but most other teams' "brass" made the right call too. Justice was being projected as a top 10 guy yet he lasted on the board until #39 overall. He was a real serious case of media pumping a guy that teams weren't hot on at all
 

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BraveHeartFan;2649912 said:
I'm starting to wonder if Vernon Davis wasn't just that, a workout warrior.

Davis can be a serious stud -- he's just got no one consistent throwing him the ball. If SF brings in a vet like Garcia, you'll see Davis catch 80 balls.
 

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AbeBeta;2649919 said:
Davis can be a serious stud -- he's just got no one consistent throwing him the ball. If SF brings in a vet like Garcia, you'll see Davis catch 80 balls.


I hope so. Not cause I want the Niners to win, I like them losing, but I wouldn't mind seeing Davis do well cause he does seem like he's got the talent to be a heck of a player.

He just doesn't seem consistent enough but you're right you do have to put some of that on the QB play and the poor play of their O-Line as well.
 

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AbeBeta;2649919 said:
Davis can be a serious stud -- he's just got no one consistent throwing him the ball. If SF brings in a vet like Garcia, you'll see Davis catch 80 balls.

Singletary, "Can't win with him." But I'd sure as hell like him on my team.
 

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AbeBeta;2649914 said:
Sure, but most other teams' "brass" made the right call too. Justice was being projected as a top 10 guy yet he lasted on the board until #39 overall. He was a real serious case of media pumping a guy that teams weren't hot on at all

I'll admit that I was high on Justice coming out.

It seemed that he had all of the attributes needed to be a quality left tackle.

All the attributes but ambition apparently.

And we already have a left tackle with those qualities....
 

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Justice was more than just a workout warrior, he was dominant in college against very good competition. Some guys just can't seem to make the transition to the pro game for various reasons. He has all the physical attributes but lacks the fire and desire to make it at this level.

I'd sign him if he is released but I wouldn't trade for him. He could still pan out but I wouldn't risk much to find out.
 

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THUMPER;2649935 said:
Justice was more than just a workout warrior, he was dominant in college against very good competition. Some guys just can't seem to make the transition to the pro game for various reasons. He has all the physical attributes but lacks the fire and desire to make it at this level.

I expect that some guys also lack the focus to develop, refine, or even maintain skills when they aren't playing. That's likely Justice's issue. To me, that is one of the pitfalls of taking a guy who was a legit starter on a big time college team and putting him on the shelf for a few years. Some guys need the motivation of getting whooped in real games to get that focus.
 

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WoodysGirl;2649845 said:
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The Commanders are concerned that WR Malcolm Kelly’s knee is going to be an annual problem. Kelly is continuing to rehab following a mostly lost rookie season, which was slowed by said knee, but despite head coach Jim Zorn’s optimism about his young wideout, we hear that team officials worry that the injury will be a source of concern and unsteadiness for the foreseeable future.

really? I mean, his knees being a potential issue were only discussed ad nauseum
 

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WoodysGirl;2649845 said:
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The Eagles have put Winston Justice on the block. The fact that he’s available speaks volumes about what they think of Justice, considering that the team sorely needs to develop a tackle with both Tra Thomas and Jon Runyan hitting free agency and Runyan out 4-6 months following microfracture surgery. The Eagles’ coaches never found a good home for Justice, and he might never be more than a backup left guard or emergency tackle for another team.

Can't we trade next years number 1 for him?:rolleyes:
 

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iRoot4Losers;2649972 said:
really? I mean, his knees being a potential issue were only discussed ad nauseum

I remember certain posters going ballistic last year regarding any criticisms or questioning of Malcolm Kelly.
 
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