PFW:Whispers (1 Boys blurb)

[dbair1967]

I couldn't disagree more.

thats ok by me

I see no way that a cornerback could be a 'wasted pick'.

I do...when you use a 1st rd pick on one who will be no better than 4th CB on your team

Cornerback is the league's most coveted position. A team can never have too many good ones.

so why doesnt everyone use first rd picks on CB's even when they have two good starters? Maybe the Broncos should use a 1st rd pick on a CB too eh?

And corner was the team's biggest weakness last season.

the nickel & dime CB spots werent super, otherwise I disagree...and you dont have to use 1st rd picks to find quality nickel/dime CB's who can develop down the road into potential starters

Newman is a free agent next year, Henry is always hurt at some point, and Pacman is one misstep away from banishment. This team has plenty of question marks at cornerback and I think a 1st rounder would give them one less question to worry about.

Newman's not going anywhere IMO...Henry is hurt alot and nearing the end...however if they are so worried about Jones getting banished from the league once they get him, its stupid to get him in the first place. I actually think he'll be fine for awhile because he knows its over for him if he has another issue

I think if they fail to get Jones, they'll probably use a 1st or 2nd rd pick on a CB...but there's a reason they want this deal done before next Saturday

David

 

[BrassCowboy]

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yep...been saying this all along...it absolutely does impact next Saturday to have this done beforehand.

trade for Jones= no CB in round one, and maybe not even in round two

David

We should still draft a cb in round one. Pacman would give us the luxury of waiting until pick #28 instead of #22 IMO.

Pacman may never be reinstated, and/or he may get himself in trouble again as his past dictates he has a hard time staying away from. Not saying HE WILL, but the risk is there, so the need for a CB remains in first round. Besides, Newman is a free agent next year and he will command MILLIONS....

 

[Stash]

I do...when you use a 1st rd pick on one who will be no better than 4th CB on your team

This year maybe. But several factors could press that #4 corner onto the field. And I wouldn't want another Jacques Reeves out there.

so why doesnt everyone use first rd picks on CB's even when they have two good starters? Maybe the Broncos should use a 1st rd pick on a CB too eh?

It wouldn't be as foolish as the Cowboys wasting a #1 on a career backup running back. A team can never have too many good ones.

the nickel & dime CB spots werent super, otherwise I disagree...and you dont have to use 1st rd picks to find quality nickel/dime CB's who can develop down the road into potential starters

'Super'? They weren't even adequate. And I would like to have a starting caliber corner ready for when either Newman or Henry leave.

Newman's not going anywhere IMO...Henry is hurt alot and nearing the end...however if they are so worried about Jones getting banished from the league once they get him, its stupid to get him in the first place. I actually think he'll be fine for awhile because he knows its over for him if he has another issue

From quotes from Jerry Jones himself, they view Jones' skills as a luxury and not a necessity. That view should transalte to their draft plans as well.

I think if they fail to get Jones, they'll probably use a 1st or 2nd rd pick on a CB...but there's a reason they want this deal done before next Saturday

I hope not.

Jerry said it will have no bearing, nor do I think it should.

 

[dbair1967]

We should still draft a cb in round one. Pacman would give us the luxury of waiting until pick #28 instead of #22 IMO.

Pacman may never be reinstated, and/or he may get himself in trouble again as his past dictates he has a hard time staying away from. Not saying HE WILL, but the risk is there, so the need for a CB remains in first round. Besides, Newman is a free agent next year and he will command MILLIONS....

well first I disagree with him not being reinstated...if the Cowboys give up ANYTHING more than a conditonal 2009 pick (and the reportedly are going to) then they probably have been assured by the league office he's gonna be reinstated...otherwise the trade is stupid

having said that, if they do what you and numerous others suggest and take a CB in round 1 even if they trade for Pac Trash...mark this down- the vast majority of people in this forum will come back and critcize Jones till their fingers fall off from typing if they take a CB in round one and he doesnt play this yr (which he wont if they get Jones)...they'll say Jones was an idiot for using a premium pick on a 4th string player...GUARANTEED

Now is that right? No, but its what will happen. Especially if for whatever reason another position ends up being the reason we dont win a championship...they'll all say "Jones is so stupid, why did he use a 1st rd pick on a CB instead of "X" and the guy did nothing this yr"..."that players a bust!!!"

Like I said...just wait and see

David

 

[BourbonBalz]

Oh I wouldnt be surprised if they traded for Pac Trash and then drafted Kenny Phillips or Tyrell Johnson early, and have said so a few times now...I also wouldnt be surprised if they still drafted a CB in the 2nd rd, though I wouldnt bet on it

but I seriously doubt they'll use a 1st rd pick on a CB if they get Jones...the bottom line is regardless of what happens we need a nickel CB who perhaps could develop down the road into a starting CB, and those players can be had in rounds other than just th 1st (especially when this draft has a good deal of talent at the position)

David

We'll draft a corner in either the first or second round, or both. They won't be drafted to be a starter, but to play nickel and to be groomed as a starter. Both our starting CBs are 30 and Newman is going to be up for a big contract after this year. I will be absolutely shocked if we don't draft at least one CB in the first two rounds, regardless what happens with Pacman. Mark it down.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I still think, without a doubt, that we draft a CB in round one, and no later than round 2, even with Pacman. I'm sure the fact that he wants to get it done before draft day has more to do with he doesn't want to spend any time, or energy, on getting it done on draft day when he needs to be focusing on other things.

They're gonna take a CB, regardless, on day one and most likely with their 22nd pick. No way are they going to put all their hopes at the position on a dude who may, or may not, even play a down if he's unable to stay out of trouble.

 

[burmafrd]

You draft for the next 3 seasons. BY then Henry will either be gone or playing Safety. Newman will be pushing 33, and we have no real idea if Ball is going to amount to anything. Even counting on Pacman, which is a risk in itself, we need at least ONE more quality CB right away.

 

[DallasEast]

Denver hosted former Cowboys and Colts PK Mike Vanderjagt for a workout recently, but no deal was made.

Confess Vanderjagt. The goalposts were moving again, weren't they? Damn those goalposts-that-hop-around-on-one-leg-and-make-you-miss-wide-right. Damn them!!!

 

[ThatsmyQB]

I would still draft a CB in round 1. No way would I put all my hopes on the shoulders of a guy who is 1 strike away from forced retirement.

He's only a 3rd C.B., so you're not putting all your hopes on Pacman, so no need to draft a C.B. in round 1, but draft one in round 2 and maybe even in round 4, but NO WAY do I pick one in round 1 when we'd have the best trio of C.B.'s in the league.

 

[Ashwynn]

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next Saturday
David

Hot damn, that sounds good. I cant wait. :starspin

 

[theogt]

I'll be shocked if we pass on CB at 22. Even if we trade for Pacman.

Ditto. We brought in just about every 1st round corner and Stephen Jones has said time and time again that trading for Pacman will not affect our draft strategy.

Don't know why anyone would think otherwise.

 

[skinsscalper]

so now your basing a key draft decision with a 1st rd pick on what MIGHT happen?

so why not base it onk, Tony Romo getting hurt, or maybe Romo goes bonkers and starts running all over the world with Jessiho. Lets draft a QB in case that happens...maybe DeMarcus Ware wakes up tomorrow and decides he wants to become a monk, lets draft another pass rusher just in case...maybe all our OL get injured in the chow line and cant play this yr, why not use our first 5 on potential replacements?

Now its possible they already know they have no intention of resigning Newman...I thnik that would probably be a stupid decision, but it is POSSIBLE. If so, maybe that does make it more relevent to take a CB high in the draft even if they trade fo Jones. But I seriously seriously doubt that decision has been made.

And even if it had been made, they could still take somebody in the 2nd or 3rd rd and develop them...there's more than 3 good CB's in this draft

David

If a CB is taken in the 1st round, he's likely being groomed as Henry's (though possibly Newman's) replacement. It makes more sense to draft a guy and get him acclimated to the league and the speed of the game BEFORE you need him to step to step up to the plate. I hardly see this as wasted pick. Just because a guy isn't penciled in as the day one starter doesn't mean that he isn't worth the 1st round selection.

Antonio Cromartie was taken with the #19 overall selection. He didn't begin his career as the Chargers starter opposite Jammer. In fact he didn't even take over starter duties until about mid-season this last year IIRC (prompting the Chargers to release their former starter in the off-season). Now, would you give up a 1st for him in hindsight?

Sometimes the fast food approach to the draft is the dumbest one. We don't have a ton of weaknesses on this team. We have the luxury of actually drafting for the future (which happens to sneak up on you fast when you plan for it). With the exception of maybe a standout WR (I, frankly, don't see one in this entire draft) I don't see ANYONE we draft taking a starting position (and the whole DMC wet dream isn't going to happen). Does that make ANY pick in the 1st a wasted pick?

Drafting a CB in the first isn't drafting for what "might" happen it's drafting for what WILL happen. There is more money locked up in the secondary of this team than any other area. That pace cannot continue if we want any chance of locking up other players on this team (Ware ring a bell?). Cheaper alternatives must be found. Guess where you find them? I'd rather roll the dice with a 1st round corner than a 3rd or 4th to address our future needs. Antonio Cromartie is all the proof I need. Is it a guarantee that we hit on that pick or that our pick at #22 will be the next Cromartie? Not at all, but I like the odds in the 1st a hell of a lot better than our odds in the 3rd or 4th. It just doesn't makes sense to me add more Alan Balls or Jaques Reeves to a team that will need much more than that sooner rather than later.

 

[dbair1967]

Ditto. We brought in just about every 1st round corner and Stephen Jones has said time and time again that trading for Pacman will not affect our draft strategy.

1) they are right to bring in the first rd rated CB's, right now we need a legit 3rd CB and Jones hasnt been traded for yet and 2) thats called posturing...if people (like the Titans) thought Jones was a big part of our draft plan, the price goes up

Don't know why anyone would think otherwise.

and this is called common sense

we've been kicked out of the playoffs the last two yrs because we cant score...if they get Jones (if) then they have 3 very solid CB's...there's definitely more concern at other positions after that...I'm a whole lot more worried about the 2nd WR spot than a 4th string CB...I'm also concerned we could be replacing both starting safeties after this season...also, if it comes down to a decision between Hamlin or Newman, it makes a whole hell of alot more sense to pay Newman and let Hamlin go...Newman is a far better player, at a far more important position...and the numbers some of the safeties are getting now are just as ridiculous, if not more so than CB's...they definitely have a big question mark at RB...first off we dont have anyone under contract, second nobody knows how Barber would do if he's forced to carry the load and we dont have a backup RB either...backup QB is a concern...Brad Johnson is not the lognterm answer here, and might not even be the short term answer either..interior OL depth is an issue...even ILb depth could be considered an issue, as Zach Thomas is probably here for a yr at best, and Ayodele, Carpenter and Burnett might all be gone before or after this season as well

we'll see what happens next weekend...I still think if they get Jones before they get on the clock in round one that there's no way they take a CB in the first

David

 

[iceberg]

in which case I'd still contend a CB drafted later will still adequately do what we need, which is replace Jacque Reeves

that said, as much as I detest Pac Trash, I'd bet he walks the straight and narrow for awhile knowing that this is his last shot...and he genuinely wants to be here, bringing more motivation for him to stay clean

bottom line is if Jones is here, a CB in round one amounts to a wasted pick IMO...the only way it isnt is if somebody gets hurt, and thats not a good enough reason to justify using a draft pick on a position...if its the highest rated guy then fine, otherwise there's no way I'd do it

David

totally disagree. i see pacman as a luxury for the 1st year that could be gone at any minute. it's one thing to take a gamble on him. it's totally another to depend on him now.

draft cb in the 1st as long as we're not reaching.

 

[Rampage]

totally disagree. i see pacman as a luxury for the 1st year that could be gone at any minute. it's one thing to take a gamble on him. it's totally another to depend on him now.

draft cb in the 1st as long as we're not reaching.

shocking! jerry said the same thing.