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The Way We Hear It — draft edition
Wonderlic test results only a piece of the intelligence puzzle

By Nolan Nawrocki
April 21, 2009

E-mail your draft questions to Nolan Nawrocki at ASKquestions@pfwmedia.com. He'll be answering selected questions in an online posting on Wednesday, April 22. Nawrocki also will host a draft-related live chat at 1 p.m. EDT Wednesday.


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Georgia QB Matthew Stafford,​


Louisville C Eric Wood (right)​
The Wonderlic test is a 12-minute, 50-question test commonly given to NFL prospects as a measure of intelligence, designed to test learning and problem-solving skills. Questions increase in difficulty, so few prospects finish all 50 questions, and players are instructed before the test to answer the questions sequentially. The score is the number of questions answered correctly, followed by the total number of questions answered.

In recent years, the test has lost its significance to NFL clubs as many players are now prepared for the test from extensive Combine preparation, during which they often see exact copies of the tests to be given.

“We look at it, but we pay little attention to it,” one NFL GM said. “All of these kids are so well-prepared nowadays — the test that carries the most relevance to us is their first test.”
Yet, when comparing the score of the first test that prospects took, usually in the spring entering their senior season or at all-star games, against the score of the test administered at the Combine, far fewer show signs of preparing for the test than in past years. Test results are not expected to vary by more than several points any time two tests are taken; otherwise, outside influences are expected to have influenced the results.

“We look at three gauges of intelligence,” one team executive said. “One, (a player’s) score; two, whether his coaches say he needs reps (to learn); and three, whether intelligence issues show up on tape — how often does (a player) need to be lined up, how often does he appear confused. If he is football-smart or his coaches say he learns well, the Wonderlic score is disregarded. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to play football.”
True to form, many great players through the years have had better football intelligence than book smarts, as Hall of Fame QB Dan Marino reportedly scored a 16 on the Wonderlic, Terry Bradshaw 15 and potential Hall of Famer Donovan McNabb 14.

Following is a breakdown of scores by position as they were taken the first time, then at the Combine, and the difference between the two scores, to show whether preparation or other outside influences may have affected the results. A score of 22/35 means the player answered 35 questions, giving correct answers to 22.

Editor's note: Most underclassmen, who are not allowed to participate in all-star games or to be tested in the spring except before their senior seasons, only took the test once, at the Combine. Thus, “DNT” stands for "did not test."



Results here:

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Draft+Extras/2009/wwhi042109.htm
 

Hypnotoad

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Saved these results so in 3 years I can go HAHA wonderlic is meaningless.
 

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Hypnotoad;2742884 said:
Saved these results so in 3 years I can go HAHA wonderlic is meaningless.

It is not and end all be all it is another tool to help gage the player the score by itself may not mean anything but maybe you need to investigate further or it may show in the interviews or confirm reports etc
 

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RumblinTumblinWitten;2742877 said:
I don't think anyone should be surprised that Terry Bradshaw is dumb as dirt.


Anyone know Quincy's or Pozderic's scores? Or Flo's?

Just asking
 

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GimmeTheBall!;2742999 said:
Anyone know Quincy's or Pozderic's scores? Or Flo's?

Just asking

Phil Pozderic? Gotta be pretty darn high. Notre Dame. Look at what the man's done since retirement. He's an impressive dude.
 

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as much as the NFL has taken the game away from the players and put it on the Oversized Coaching staffs, micophones in helments, sub packages, mini camps etc.


If you cant teach a talent your system then you shouldnt be coaching!



Based on play, Ryan Leaf and Tim Couch must have put up some single digit wonderlic scores.
 

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Cowboys, please do not draft anyone that scores really low on the wonderlic test...this test should be a warning that the player will have trouble learning the system and recognizing on field adjustments/schemes.

The wonderlic is so simple that the average person could easily get 30 - 35 questions right without even trying. So anyone that scores below 15 should have a big red warning sign....just mark them off the board. Save yourself the trouble.

And please no more character issue guys. Mark these two off the board now -- Louis Delmas 11 and Percy Harvin 12, dumb as dirt and potential character issues.
 

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Few 7s out there and a 6 but the winner is:

Demonte Bolden who scored a 5. I'd be embarrassed if I were him.

I don't put a lot of stock into the Wonderlic as a predictor of success but I sure as hell wouldn't draft an idiot. I'm willing to set the bar at double digits and that is being generous. If you can't score a 10, I wouldn't draft you.

Stupid people do stupid things.
 

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Hoofbite;2743134 said:
Few 7s out there and a 6 but the winner is:

Demonte Bolden who scored a 5. I'd be embarrassed if I were him.

I don't put a lot of stock into the Wonderlic as a predictor of success but I sure as hell wouldn't draft an idiot. I'm willing to set the bar at double digits and that is being generous. If you can't score a 10, I wouldn't draft you.

Stupid people do stupid things.

I'd set the bar at 15, anyone below that would be off my draft board. Between 15-20 I would have a big ? about them and look to take another similarly rated player if possible at that spot. Over 20 is fine but I would especially look at guys who scored 30 or higher.

Stupid people do stupid things and make more mistakes than a more intelligent person does. That's just a simple fact of life.

The sad thing is that ALL of these guys are college students! :eek:
 

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RumblinTumblinWitten;2742877 said:
I don't think anyone should be surprised that Terry Bradshaw is dumb as dirt.

Well, he works for a couple hours a week and gets paid millions.

I wish I was that dumb.
 

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I wouldn't write a player off just because they scored low on the Wonderlic. There is always more to the story. If the guy was a good player and his coaches and teammate truly admired him then the low score would not be that bad of an issue. If he was a troublemaker or had other negatives then the low score would have more meaning. The Wonderlic test alone is not much of an indicator. You have to see what context if any the score has with the rest of the player's evaluation.

I would use the Wonderlic test results as a tie breaker. You have 4 or 5 guys that you really think can help your team when your draft pick comes up. You know they all have sufficient speed, size and other abilities that you like. It is not that you don't want to draft any of these guys. You would gladly take any of them, but you only get one choice. It is who do you want the most. It is a virtual tie. The Wonderlic score could be the final factor used to rate which guy you end up taking.
 

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AsthmaField;2743056 said:
Percy Harvin... 12 :muttley:

Drugs do that to you. :laugh2:

Of course, everyones pick for safety? Louis Delmas had an 11 on the first test and a 12 at the combine. You can see that Sherrod Martin spent time preping for the test at the combine. He ad a 10 point difference between tests.
 

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dfense;2743189 said:
Well, he works for a couple hours a week and gets paid millions.

I wish I was that dumb.

You are, you just don't only work a couple of hours nor get paid millions! :lmao2: I'm kidding! ...even though it's true! :lmao:
 
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