Phil Taylor is move way up the Draft Boards

[ms9221]

Phil Taylor the DT from Baylor has had the best week of anyone have at the Senior Bowl but hate to say this Cowboys fans he has move the board really quik I no longer see him in the the third nor second rounds of Draft. There now three promit Draft site that have him late in the first. Also another we all like in top five on DT boards NFL Scout.com who CBS guys think can also into the first round. I like Phil Taylor all you did but we two bigger needs thats LT, S,. Maybe we can two first round get both Gabe Carimi LT, and NT Phil Taylor.

 

[SDogo]

I would not touch this guy in the first 3 rounds. I dont care how gifted he is athletically. Think Albert Haynesworth after a hefty new contract.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I agree with SDogo. I don't touch him until Round 4. Once he gets his rookie contract he's going to revert back to the fat, lazy underachiever he was in college. Let some other team be the sucker.

 

[The Realist]

Agree with the last 2 posters.

Dude is highly overrated.

He was never that good at Baylor.

He was 2nd Team All Conference behind who?

Baylor 79th vs the run.

 

[TheCount]

I don't think he's a first round pick if Terrance Cody isn't. Cody's college resume was much better than Taylors.

I think Taylor's real problem is his endurance. I watched his bowl game but didn't start looking for him till later in the game and was completely unimpressed by him. He was getting stone walled one on one.

If he gets his cardio up, he can certainly be a good NT in the NFL. We have the luxury of being able to rotate him with Brent and of course Ratliff who has plenty of NT experience and could still play the position on passing downs.

I think we are the perfect team for him to land on.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Posted it before, but a guy I know who is good friends with Art Briles says Taylor has never been a problem since he's been there.

I hate lazy players, too, but sometimes players do grow up. Even B.J. Raji had some pretty major red flags coming out, and he's been fine.

 

[realtick]

I would target him for the 3rd round.

He said he plans on dropping a few more pounds for the combine. If he does and it translates to better times on the field, he might solidify himself as a 2nd round pick or even sneak into the end of the 1st round (Pittsburg may be looking for an heir apparent to Casey Hampton).

The Cowboys just have too many glaring needs right now. A beefy NT is a need IMO, but the Cowboys have shown reluctance to go that route for whatever reason. Bringing in Ryan may change that, but you can't bank on it.

 

[The Realist]

I would target him for the 3rd round.

He said he plans on dropping a few more pounds for the combine. If he does and it translates to better times on the field, he might solidify himself as a 2nd round pick or even sneak into the end of the 1st round (Pittsburg may be looking for an heir apparent to Casey Hampton).

The Cowboys just have too many glaring needs right now. A beefy NT is a need IMO, but the Cowboys have shown reluctance to go that route for whatever reason. Bringing in Ryan may change that, but you can't bank on it.

Shown a reluctance........

I don't think the Cowboys have passed up a legit, full-sized 3-4 NT.........Wilfork, Ngata, Raji, etc, etc.

Their are legit 3-4 NT's.....................

And then there are a lot of fat guys who are really fool's gold.

 

[TheCount]

Shown a reluctance........

I don't think the Cowboys have passed up a legit, full-sized 3-4 NT.........Wilfork, Ngata, Raji, etc, etc.

Their are legit 3-4 NT's.....................

And then there are a lot of fat guys who are really fool's gold.

I don't know how you could define every other NT but the guys that go in the Top 15 as "fools gold", most of them haven't even gotten a chance to play yet.

What about guys like Ron Brace and Terrance Cody who ended up on teams that already had NT's and run the 3-4 arguably better than we do?

I mean Ahtyba Rubin went to the Browns in the 6th round of 2008. We had the first pick in that round, selected Eric Walden from a no-name school and then cut him before the season even started.

We clearly have had zero interest in bringing in a bigger NT here for quite some time.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Man. What is the over / under on a true 3-4 NT life expectancy. I'm betting it isn't over 60. I saw a show not long about and they were talking to Vince Wilfork and how he lost both his mother and father by the time he was 21. I believe their passing had something to do with their health weight wise. I don't recall exactly what it was.

Anyhow, he said when he retires he wants to drop to around 250 or something like that if possible. He said he pretty much has to or he will have the same fate as his parents did.

 

[The Realist]

I don't know how you could define every other NT but the guys that go in the Top 15 as "fools gold", most of them haven't even gotten a chance to play yet.

What about guys like Ron Brace and Terrance Cody who ended up on teams that already had NT's and run the 3-4 arguably better than we do?

I mean Ahtyba Rubin went to the Browns in the 6th round of 2008. We had the first pick in that round, selected Eric Walden from a no-name school and then cut him before the season even started.

We clearly have had zero interest in bringing in a bigger NT here for quite some time.

It's one thing to throw names out there...........

It's another to have a clue about how we would get there to draft them...........or take them over other much higher priorities.

Brace - Wilfork was a FA and the Pats were protecting themselves. They also had ammo to move up for him.

Cody - We've got an All Pro NT at that point and our staring WILB is 34 years old. Guy slides who we have a first round grade on.

I'm not sure, but maybe we haven't gone after bigger NT's is because we had a very good NT and Wade plays a 1 gap system.

Pretty sure that's why we went after a guy like Lissemore who has a lot of the same attributes as Rat.

I'm sure Brent is done growing at 23 also.

 

[TheCount]

It's one thing to throw names out there...........

It's another to have a clue about how we would get there to draft them...........or take them over other much higher priorities.

Brace - Wilfork was a FA and the Pats were protecting themselves. They also had ammo to move up for him.

Cody - We've got an All Pro NT at that point and our staring WILB is 34 years old. Guy slides who we have a first round grade on.

I'm not sure, but maybe we haven't gone after bigger NT's is because we had a very good NT and Wade plays a 1 gap system.

Pretty sure that's why we went after a guy like Lissemore who has a lot of the same attributes as Rat.

I'm sure Brent is done growing at 23 also.

You obviously took my reply as some kind of attack. My entire point was that the team has in the past been perfectly happy with Ratliff at NT so we weren't looking at the other NT's.

Which is exactly what Realtick said, to which you replied we haven't passed on any legit NT's.

 

[The Realist]

You obviously took my reply as some kind of attack. My entire point was that the team has in the past been perfectly happy with Ratliff at NT so we weren't looking at the other NT's.

Which is exactly what Realtick said, to which you replied we haven't passed on any legit NT's.

If they had a shot at Brace maybe they would.

I don't think this team is good enough to draft backups in 2 though.

If you have a first round grade on Lee you have to take him over Cody.

 

[JIMMYBUFFETT]

I would not touch this guy in the first 3 rounds. I dont care how gifted he is athletically. Think Albert Haynesworth after a hefty new contract.

Gotta agree. Phil Taylor, Kenrick Ellis, and Jerrell Powe are probably the top 3 beefy nose tackles in the draft. While Powe is the lowest rated on most boards, he'd be my first choice. He struggled academically throughout college, and I think ended up attending 3 different programs to get clearence from the NCAA. They later diagnosed him with dyslexia. He fought hard to stay in football with a learning disability for the love of the game. I read somewhere that he got up to 400lbs. coming out of high school, but got his weight down to the 330 range. Give me the kid who fought his way through a disability and shed 70lbs. to be able to play the game he loves.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

Taylor was not only lazy at Penn State before he was thrown off the team and transfered but was involved in at least two major fights, the second one coming just days after being warned that his next altercation would be his last as a member of the team. Plus several witnesses have said he was the instigator of the second fight.

Undisciplined is not what the Cowboys need.

 

[realtick]

Shown a reluctance........

I don't think the Cowboys have passed up a legit, full-sized 3-4 NT.........Wilfork, Ngata, Raji, etc, etc.

Their are legit 3-4 NT's.....................

And then there are a lot of fat guys who are really fool's gold.

The point is the Cowboys don't seem to be interested in the 330+lb NTs, whether it's elite prospect or a UDFA.

Josh Brent is the closest thing they've got at 6'2" 315.

 

[The30YardSlant]

No thanks. He's fat, lazy, mentally unstable and hangs out with the wrong crowd. He'll be out of the league within three years, get hooked on drugs and be dead by 30.

 

[realtick]

Count me in the group who wants to see Ratliff at DE.

Jay Ratliff is no Spring chicken anymore, he'll be 30 by the time the next season starts (DOB in Aug/1981). His body is likely that of a much older player playing down in the trenches and against constant double-teams.

I like the idea of having a fresh rotation at NT with Josh Brent and hypothetically, Phil Taylor. When it comes to obvious passing downs you slide Ratliff over to nose to get your best pass rushers on the field.

Having said all that, I never advocated taking Taylor in 2nd round if our picks remain as they are. A lot remains to be seen with what we do with that #9 pick. If we trade down and pick up another pick or two, now it starts becoming more plausible.

 

[realtick]

No thanks. He's fat, lazy, mentally unstable and hangs out with the wrong crowd. He'll be out of the league within three years, get hooked on drugs and be dead by 30.

Are you talking about Jarvorski Lane?

 

[jnday]

The point is the Cowboys don't seem to be interested in the 330+lb NTs, whether it's elite prospect or a UDFA.

Josh Brent is the closest thing they've got at 6'2" 315.

I think you got it figured out. I have never seen any info coming from the Cowboy`s staff that a bid NT is a want or need. A big NT is just another change that the fans want , nothing more.