Philly's run defense, your gonna get your's.

[SaltwaterServr]

Okay tough guy. Hey everyone, come look at how tough this guy is! He's calling some a ***** over the interwebz!!!1!!1

What's your point about my quote? It's completely out of context, you're trying to make it sound like I'm being a hypocrite (can give criticism but can't take it). But if you see my actual post, you'll see that I'm talking about being critical of the team, not a person on this board.

That's the point exactly. You're specifically saying it's fine for you to be the critic, but once the examination was put to your post history to that point you ran away for a few weeks. The object of criticism is irrelevant. Continue to be butt-hurt, you're wearing it very well.

You can't just take away those big plays though.


All bad defenses consistently miss tackles and take poor angles. When you're doing it every game it's not a fluke, it's a trend.

Exactly. Fred Jackson had a long of 22 yards. Outside of that he average 3.6 a carry. You can't take that one run away anymore than you can take a negative run away. Bad tackling by the linebackers and is still bad tackling by the linebackers.

 

[DL23]

That's the point exactly. You're specifically saying it's fine for you to be the critic, but once the examination was put to your post history to that point you ran away for a few weeks. The object of criticism is irrelevant. Continue to be butt-hurt, you're wearing it very well.

:bang2: :bang2: :bang2:

Criticizing a Football Team and criticizing somebody personally are two completely different things. So because I criticized the Cowboys, a football team who don't read any of my posts, I deserve personal attacks?

If that's the case, I'm going to go and give a film-critic a wedgie and food-critic a noogie.

 

[casmith07]

The problem with Philly's run defense was allowing big plays due to poor tackling. If you look at their stats a little closer, you can see that for the most part, they're not half bad against the run. But there seems to be 1 or 2 long runs a game that really pads the stat sheet.

Look at week 2 vs the Falcons:

Turner: 21 carries, 114 yards, 1 TD. That's 5.4 yards a carry. Looks bad right?

Well Turner had a 61 yard run where Casey Matthews (benched) and Jarrad Page (benched) both missed the regulation tackle.

Take out that play, Turner had 20 carries for 53 yards. That's 2.65 yards per carry.

Bradshaw: 15 carries, 86 yards. That's 5.73 ypc. Looks bad right?

Bradshaw had a 37 yarder, which once again came after a missed tackle from Page. Take that play out and it's 14 carries for 49 yards, which is 3.5 ypc.

There are examples of this against the 9ers and Bills too I believe, I just can't be bothered to do any more math

I'm not discounting those plays whatsoever. All I'm saying is that if Philly cleans up their tackling, those are 10-15 yard pick ups, not 40, 50, 60 yarders. So the biggest problem with the Eagles defense against the run seems to be missing tackles and thus allowing long runs. I know I'm rambling here, but I guess the point I'm trying to make is that it's not like the Eagles are consistently giving up 5-6 yards per carry like many of the ESPN "analysts" (I can't even say that with a straight face) will tell you. The biggest difference between their defense the first 4-5 weeks compared to against the Commanders was that they didn't miss those tackles.

As Murray showed last week with his 91, 43 and 2x19 yard pick-ups, he can turn those missed tackles/band angles into big gainers. So it all depends on which Philly we get. Do we get the one from the first 4 or 5 weeks where they missed tackles? If that's the case, Murray is in for a good day. Or do we get the Philly that makes their tackles? In which case the ball may be in Romo's hand a lot more.

Just some food for thought.

**waits for SaltwatrServr to make Eagles fan accusations again **

Doesn't make any sense. You can't just take away big plays.

 

[SaltwaterServr]

:bang2: :bang2: :bang2:

Criticizing a Football Team and criticizing somebody personally are two completely different things. So because I criticized the Cowboys, a football team who don't read any of my posts, I deserve personal attacks?

If that's the case, I'm going to go and give a film-critic a wedgie and food-critic a noogie.

Wow.

You're posting in a public forum. Your opinion is NOT off limits for critique viewed as individual posts or as a whole.

Doesn't make any sense. You can't just take away big plays.

Sure you can, if you're a closet Eagles fan.

 

[DC Cowboy]

I think the key to this game is how well we can run the ball vs philly...i think people are expecting us to gash them on the ground..i do not think that is going to happen...i do no think we have to run for 200 to win though, we just need a balanced attack..

I agree with this 100%, if we use Murray and Tanner (I love his hard running style) effectively I think this will help us out tremendously. Not to mention keeping their O off the field.

 

[Frozen700]

Philly stopped the wide 9 vs the skins..thats what improved their run D..so i have heard at least

They will be ready for us..nothing will be easy.

This is 1 of those games, we will have to rely on Romo's Arm

 

[jobberone]

There is a difference between a team that is consistently gashed for higher than league average per run than a team who occasionally gives up a big play. For a team that consistently gives up running yardage you would run on them more. For a team that occasionally gives up big yardage plays then you have to persist in the running game but you would probably not run quite as much. In the end both are killers.

 

[Hostile]

Okay tough guy. Hey everyone, come look at how tough this guy is! He's calling some a ***** over the interwebz!!!1!!1

What's your point about my quote? It's completely out of context, you're trying to make it sound like I'm being a hypocrite (can give criticism but can't take it). But if you see my actual post, you'll see that I'm talking about being critical of the team, not a person on this board.

You know, it is okay to be an Eagles fan on this forum if you are, and looking at your post History it wouldn't surprise me at all if you are. You're far more complimentary and defensive of them than any other team in the NFL despite their paltry record.

But it's pretty silly of you to come into a thread like this and call out the thread author like you did at the end of your very first post and not expect backlash. Even funnier is that the whole genesis of the issue between you and him is you being very pro Eagles and here it is Eagles week and you're more active.

Oh well, as they say in Australia, G'day mate.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Hopefully, but we thought we'd pass all over New England's worst pass defense in the league,too.

 

[Joe Realist]

I think as a team, 150 yards on the ground is possible. Control the clock. Get Tanner in mix and yes, even Choice (tell him Vick is standing in the endzone with another autograph and I bet he runs for daylight)

 

[dfense]

I took a look at Philly's run defense which currently ranks 23 in yards rushing allowed per game. That ranking is after they shut down Washington's running game in the Rex Grossman benched fiasco.

Minus that game where they allowed 42 rushing yards (we allowed 65 against them) they've given up, get this, 713 yards on the ground in five games. Read that again, 713 yards in 5 games. 142.6 yards per game which would put them squarely at 30th in the league against the run.

St. Louis, before last Sunday, allowed 808 yards in five games for 161.6 per game. The only other team worse than Philly before the Washington anomaly were the Colts.

How do they compare though on a game-by-game basis to the teams they've played, i.e. do they hold their opponents to more or less than their season average?

St. Louis
Average 93 yards per game, allowed 169. St. Louis also lost Stephen Jackson after the first run of the game for several weeks and that's about the only offense they have.

Atlanta
Average 112, allowed 138.

NYG
Average 90, allowed 105. I thought NY was a power running team???

San Fran
Average 131, allowed 165. We held them to 74 including the 21 by Alex Smith.

Washington
Average 118, held them to 42 without Hightower in the game. We held them to 65 of which Hightower had 41.

Buffalo
Average 141, allowed 136

Now they've had the bye week to prepare, or have they? Tony Dungy made specific mention early on in the season that the year they won the Super Bowl they couldn't have done it under the current CBA rules. You'll recall that Indy had the worst run defense in the league.

He said that they used those two weeks to completely revamp their scheme against the run and that only having two padded practices a week, not to mention the mandatory 4 days off which didn't factor into his retooling period, would've severely curtailed their ability to actually practice in full speed contact what they were trying to rebuild.

So where does that leave us? Was our rushing offense last week an anomaly much like Philly's game against Washington's run offense? Can we expect one of the league's worst rushing defenses to come crashing back to the ground this week after having one good week and then revert to form the following against Buffalo?

I believe we'll see considerable success against the Philly front 7. Bye week or no, Dallas's run offense changed in addition by subtraction. Montrae Holland, for all of his issues staying healthy, looked dang good out there for having only a few days of practice with the team. Overall PFF.com gave him a -.02 in run blocking but a +1.1 in pass protection. Phil Costa received a -1.4 in run blocking.

I think we lose something with Felix, but Demarco is the more well-rounded back. The comparison will draw ire, but he reminds me of Julius Jones during his few good years. Perhaps more aptly, he reminds me of Stephen Jackson. He's got power to run through some tackles plus a combo of nice speed and shiftiness.

In all reality, I don't think Philly was supremely worried about our running game coming into this weekend. Had we picked up 150-170 yards we'd have been just another game for the Rams and not registered anything significant on Andy's radar. Now we're a different animal, like Miles breaking out against Kansas City.

What do you do if you're Andy? Think it's an aberration and play us as a sub-par running team as we were before like Atlanta did to Miles the week following Kansas City and get burned 171 yards and 2 TDs? Do you recognize that we've possibly improved on the offensive line with the addition of Murray and Holland and try to change the running scheme in a week's time with only one padded practice to implement said changes?

What, if anything, can your inexperienced and under-qualified offensive line coach turned Defensive Coordinator figure out even given two weeks in his playbook turned up all the way to All-Madden?

Inquiring minds want to know.

The real worry in this game to me is the continued mediocre play of the LT Doug Free. I don't know what has happened to him to make him regress so bad this year. Romo has taken some big blind side hits because Free is slow out of his stance and seems to have trouble with any kind of edge rusher regardless of how good they are.

With Trent Cole coming back this week, the Cowboys better give him a little help.

I'm betting Free is going to be moving back to the right side in 2012.

 

[Hostile]

Hopefully, but we thought we'd pass all over New England's worst pass defense in the league,too.

Romo threw for 317 yards.

I guess that's chicken fried steak. < 10 points if anyone knows the movie reference.

 

[Frozen700]

If choice carries the ball 1 time i will close my eyes

 

[ElGatoGrande]

While I'm encouraged by the fact that Philthy has a poor run defense, the fact that we have a poor rushing offense negates any optimism,,, especially on the road in a noisy stadium.

Honestly, when you've got seriously flawed teams it's hard to know how the various matchups will tip the scales. I would suspect that Philthy's defensive coordinators will try to successfully defend the run with only 7 in the box like other teams have been able to do to us. Hopefully the Cowboys will force them to put 8 in the box and Romo will have an easier go of it. In the end, I don't see the Cowboys pounding the ball down their throat, I see the Cowboys forcing them into playing the run with 8 in the box and the game will be in Romo's hands (and the receivers).

 

[Hook'em#11]

Division game.. throw the stats and the records out the window.

THIS ... right here.

 

[Frozen700]

THIS ... right here.

They will come to play....i wish they still played the wide 9

 

[TNCowboy]

You can't just take away those big plays though.


All bad defenses consistently miss tackles and take poor angles. When you're doing it every game it's not a fluke, it's a trend.

It's not a small matter, though. This is the Barry Sanders/Emmitt Smith argument at the team level. Sanders would struggle for a lot of a game, but would pop a big one for 30 or 80. That's great, but Sanders never moved the chains like Emmitt.

Emmitt plodded along some games, never getting the long run, but still having a of of 3,4,5,6,7 yd runs. Runs that keep the chains moving. Keeping your offense in 2nd and 5 or 3rd and 3 situations that made it very easy for Aikman to find Moose, Novacek, or Irvin for a 1st down, instead of being relegated to looking downfield because it was 3rd and 9.

It's why - IMO - Emmitt was the superior back to Sanders, and why we can't just dismiss that Philly hasn't been as weak against the run as they may appear. You run poorly all day but hit the one 60 yarder, that run helps your one drive. I'd much prefer having a bunch of 5 and 6 yard runs in its place, given the choice.

This game will be a dogfight. Winning is crucial. It will almost put the Eagles to bed and put Dallas above .500. Lose, and you're below .500, and essentially tied with the Eagles. Dallas isn't likely to have the big advantage in the running game stats that it might appear they should. More than likely, it will come down to the mistakes, the penalties and the turnovers.

 

[03EBZ06]

The problem with Philly's run defense was allowing big plays due to poor tackling. If you look at their stats a little closer, you can see that for the most part, they're not half bad against the run. But there seems to be 1 or 2 long runs a game that really pads the stat sheet.

Look at week 2 vs the Falcons:

Turner: 21 carries, 114 yards, 1 TD. That's 5.4 yards a carry. Looks bad right?

Well Turner had a 61 yard run where Casey Matthews (benched) and Jarrad Page (benched) both missed the regulation tackle.

Take out that play, Turner had 20 carries for 53 yards. That's 2.65 yards per carry.

Bradshaw: 15 carries, 86 yards. That's 5.73 ypc. Looks bad right?

Bradshaw had a 37 yarder, which once again came after a missed tackle from Page. Take that play out and it's 14 carries for 49 yards, which is 3.5 ypc.

There are examples of this against the 9ers and Bills too I believe, I just can't be bothered to do any more math

I'm not discounting those plays whatsoever. All I'm saying is that if Philly cleans up their tackling, those are 10-15 yard pick ups, not 40, 50, 60 yarders. So the biggest problem with the Eagles defense against the run seems to be missing tackles and thus allowing long runs. I know I'm rambling here, but I guess the point I'm trying to make is that it's not like the Eagles are consistently giving up 5-6 yards per carry like many of the ESPN "analysts" (I can't even say that with a straight face) will tell you. The biggest difference between their defense the first 4-5 weeks compared to against the Commanders was that they didn't miss those tackles.

As Murray showed last week with his 91, 43 and 2x19 yard pick-ups, he can turn those missed tackles/band angles into big gainers. So it all depends on which Philly we get. Do we get the one from the first 4 or 5 weeks where they missed tackles? If that's the case, Murray is in for a good day. Or do we get the Philly that makes their tackles? In which case the ball may be in Romo's hand a lot more.

Just some food for thought.

**waits for SaltwatrServr to make Eagles fan accusations again **

If you want to take away big plays, then shouldn't you talk way negative plays as well? Otherwise, those stats are skewed and misleading.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Dallas must win the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball, I know that's stating sort of the obvious but it's true... STOP McCoy and you'll stop Philly, point plant.

D. Murray must get 20 to 25 touches in this game... Romo and play action pass might NOT be a bad idea either.