Pickens is a nice problem

[darthseinfeld]

What do you consider the worst mistake on team build model for this season?
Just asking because I respect your opinion.

Taking Booker over Nolen. Nolen goes a long way to strengthening the defensive line. And its not often we have a chance to draft a DT of his caliber. And passed on him for an OG. Booker will definitely be an asset and should go a long way to a strong line. However OG wasn't really a need and Pro Bowl caliber interior lineman can be found often on day 2

 

[darthseinfeld]

Why can't you just acknowledge that it is a very good problem to have?

Because if it becomes a problem, then its definitely not a good thing

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

You let him walk and you are forced to draft his replacement very high. Not a position you want to be in. On top of that the comp pick is very late in the 3rd, and thats if he signs for top 5 money. Its more likely you get a 4th. And then you dont get it until 2027. Letting him walk would be a disaster

Yes and no. This is contingent on the guy isn't on the roster. Tolbert and/or Mingo could be that guy. We simply don't know. But we also aren't forced to find out this year either because we have Pickens.

I'm perfectly fine with a 4th-rounder as well.

Losing a 1st rounder is a disaster. A second is a disaster.

I've seen this team win 12 games despite wasting draft capital on Nashon Wright, Kelden Joseph and Tristen Hill. Even wasting 1st rounders on Taco Charlton.

To go even further.... I've seen the RAMS not even have a 1st round pick for what? 6 or 7 years....

No other team does this. No other team worries about draft capital years down the road. They worry about the NOW. WE have our draft picks every year and still fall flat. Let's try something different.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Taking Booker over Nolen. Nolen goes a long way to strengthening the defensive line. And its not often we have a chance to draft a DT of his caliber. And passed on him for an OG. Booker will definitely be an asset and should go a long way to a strong line. However OG wasn't really a need and Pro Bowl caliber interior lineman can be found often on day 2

Yeah, but was Nolen a need? We have plenty of 3T's. He does not fill the 1tech spot. I'd actually be pissed if they decided to pay Osa what they did and then draft Nolen....

 

[darthseinfeld]

Yes and no. This is contingent on the guy isn't on the roster. Tolbert and/or Mingo could be that guy. We simply don't know. But we also aren't forced to find out this year either because we have Pickens.

I'm perfectly fine with a 4th-rounder as well.

Losing a 1st rounder is a disaster. A second is a disaster.

I've seen this team win 12 games despite wasting draft capital on Nashon Wright, Kelden Joseph and Tristen Hill. Even wasting 1st rounders on Taco Charlton.

To go even further.... I've seen the RAMS not even have a 1st round pick for what? 6 or 7 years....

No other team does this. No other team worries about draft capital years down the road. They worry about the NOW. WE have our draft picks every year and still fall flat. Let's try something different.

Tolbert is a FA after the season too. If either of those two could be the guy, Pickens probably isnt hear

We arent the Rams. Look at what Rams personnel wise outside the draft. The draft is the Cowboys only real means of talent acquisition. All other avenues they rarely find meaningful contributors because they arent willing to spend. So those picks are more critical to Dallas than they are other teams. The way we operate, you need to make a multi year commitment to make trading a top 90 pick worth it

 

[darthseinfeld]

Yeah, but was Nolen a need? We have plenty of 3T's. He does not fill the 1tech spot. I'd actually be pissed if they decided to pay Osa what they did and then draft Nolen....

Yes he was absolutely a need. We have 1 3T, and a 1T that will probably play 40% of the snaps. Most teams play two DT's in B gaps 60%-70% of the time. Smith is definitely not a B gap player

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Tolbert is a FA after the season too. If either of those two could be the guy, Pickens probably isnt hear

We arent the Rams. Look at what Rams personnel wise outside the draft. The draft is the Cowboys only real means of talent acquisition. All other avenues they rarely find meaningful contributors because they arent willing to spend. So those picks are more critical to Dallas than they are other teams. The way we operate, you need to make a multi year commitment to make trading a top 90 pick worth it

Tolbert at best is our #3....

Tolbert has gotten better ever year in the league for the last 2 years....if he takes another step he may be a legit guy. Who knows.

The Rams, personnel-wise wise looked that way because they traded draft picks for actual talent. They traded for Von Miller and Ramsey. Draft picks don't equate to wins. I'm not saying trade your 1st rounders like they did but certainly risking a 3rd rounder on a potential rental is better then hoping Nashon Wright or Tristen Hill become players is all i'm saying.

Cowboys don't need to spend; they need to be active. There's a difference. We don't need to spend 100 million on one player. You just don't need to bargain shop. There is a balance that's missing.

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

I find the "fan boy" content boring. Just a lot of repetitive rhetoric and not much else

In other news, Denzel Daxon (practice squad DT).... appears to be ready to take a gigantic leap forward.

Could he be a future Hall Of Famer? Hmmmm? HMMMMMMMMM?!?!?!?!

Stephen Jones thinks so. That's all you need to know!

All we need to do now is come up with a SICK nickname for him.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Taking Booker over Nolen. Nolen goes a long way to strengthening the defensive line. And its not often we have a chance to draft a DT of his caliber. And passed on him for an OG. Booker will definitely be an asset and should go a long way to a strong line. However OG wasn't really a need and Pro Bowl caliber interior lineman can be found often on day 2

My goodness D..........Nolen was spitting red flags.
****OG wasn't really a need? Who was your starter already on the team
****Pro Bowl caliber IL can be found on day 2. Can we not say the same about interior DLinemen.
****Passed on him for an OG? He will strengthen our run game. Shoot, by your take, we are wasting Tyler Smith at OG.

I have a feeling, 1-2 years from now, you will be happy we drafted Booker over Nolen

Walter Nolen's character has been a topic of concern for some NFL scouts and analysts. Specifically, concerns have been raised about his practice habits, sense of entitlement, and whether he truly loves the game of football. These character issues have been raised in reports from Sports Illustrated and other sources. However, the Arizona Cardinals, who drafted Nolen in the first round, were comfortable enough with his character to select him, according to Raising Zona.

 

[darthseinfeld]

My goodness D..........Nolen was spitting red flags.
****OG wasn't really a need? Who was your starter already on the team
****Pro Bowl caliber IL can be found on day 2. Can we not say the same about interior DLinemen.
****Passed on him for an OG? He will strengthen our run game. Shoot, by your take, we are wasting Tyler Smith at OG.

I have a feeling, 1-2 years from now, you will be happy we drafted Booker over Nolen

Walter Nolen's character has been a topic of concern for some NFL scouts and analysts. Specifically, concerns have been raised about his practice habits, sense of entitlement, and whether he truly loves the game of football. These character issues have been raised in reports from Sports Illustrated and other sources. However, the Arizona Cardinals, who drafted Nolen in the first round, were comfortable enough with his character to select him, according to Raising Zona.

Imo were are wasting Tyler Smith at OG

Its undeniably easier to find Pro Bowl level interior OL on day 2 than it is Pro Bowl level IDL. DT is a significantly more valuable position than OG

Nolen biggest issue was that he gets emotional during practice. Thats nothing. If he had legit character concerns, he doesnt go top 20. Every year you see these reports about players and many times they turn out to be nonsense.

I dont dislike Booker, but Im resolute that Nolen was the better option and Ill argue that to the death

 

[CCBoy]

Imo were are wasting Tyler Smith at OG

Its undeniably easier to find Pro Bowl level interior OL on day 2 than it is Pro Bowl level IDL. DT is a significantly more valuable position than OG

Nolen biggest issue was that he gets emotional during practice. Thats nothing. If he had legit character concerns, he doesnt go top 20. Every year you see these reports about players and many times they turn out to be nonsense.

I dont dislike Booker, but Im resolute that Nolen was the better option and Ill argue that to the death

You would project that the Pope is no longer Catholic and use Jerry Jones as your excuse and quote a tariff as your proof. Claiming budget crisis.

Don't forget your party 30 year calendar...

 

[shabazz]

But how do you know how far away you are at this point in the season?

We have to look at the history of this FO to draw educated guesses on how things will play out.

For example, look at the quality of the players added and look at the quality of the players added by the rest of the East.....I dont count draftees because we just dont know but we can look at Laremy Tunsil and Deebo and know what those brothers bring

 

[darthseinfeld]

You would project that the Pope is no longer Catholic and use Jerry Jones as your excuse and quote a tariff as your proof. Claiming budget crisis.

Don't forget your party 30 year calendar...

What?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

We have to look at the history of this FO to draw educated guesses on how things will play out.

For example, look at the quality of the players added and look at the quality of the players added by the rest of the East.....I dont count draftees because we just dont know but we can look at Laremy Tunsil and Deebo and know what those brothers bring

And see this is where I think people fail when trying to predict how things will go next season. This isn't a you thing we all do it. We all look on paper and try and determine how good or bad someone will be.

For instance, do I think the Cowboys have the best units in the division? Not at all. Eagles have the best receiving group, you can argue who's the best QB some would say JD or Hurts, linebackers, secondary and defensive line probably goes to Eagles....maybe Giants defensive line......

But I also look at the Cowboys and say well if they can have a dominant and young offensive line? Then you have a good rushing attack. Then you get good QB play....you have a solid pass rush? All of a sudden your secondary looks dominant.


On paper Cowboys won't impress. But realistically? They aren't as far away as we think. Especially if they can get production out of their 1t and LT.

 

[Jarntt]

In other news, Denzel Daxon (practice squad DT).... appears to be ready to take a gigantic leap forward.

Could he be a future Hall Of Famer? Hmmmm? HMMMMMMMMM?!?!?!?!

Stephen Jones thinks so. That's all you need to know!

All we need to do now is come up with a SICK nickname for him.

How about the Eagle killer

 

[vlad]

I wish i get better about our backs, hopefully someone surprises me, ideally blue

 

[big dog cowboy]

Imo were are wasting Tyler Smith at OG

I read the same thing about Zack Martin for years.

 

[gimmesix]

I'm on record as liking the aquisition and I'm fully aware that his penalties will skyrocket because hes no longer a Steeler, but my only concern is affording him when contract time comes.

I know Roseman could make it work, but Jones plays checkers when it comes to cap management.

A 1 year rental is fine when a team is a contender but.....

Once he became one of us, it became more likely to re-sign him. We like our own. It really just depends on what we think of him after this season.

 

[gimmesix]

I just think its poor team building. Especially considering what little we have in the pipeline. I hope we exit camp with extentions for Parsons, Pickens and Bland

I don't want us to extend Pickens. I want him to play for his monetary life.

 

[HungryLion]

I'm on record as liking the aquisition and I'm fully aware that his penalties will skyrocket because hes no longer a Steeler, but my only concern is affording him when contract time comes.

I know Roseman could make it work, but Jones plays checkers when it comes to cap management.

A 1 year rental is fine when a team is a contender but.....

Well, If they stop *****footing around and sign Micah. They can use the franchise tag on Pickens next season which makes it a 2 season rental and at a good price if you average the total paid over 2 years.

But we shall see.