Pip your guy at 24 with these 5 on the board

cnuball21 said:
Anyone but Burks…and I have a terrible feeling they’re going to take Burks at 24.
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They do like Burks, but so do other teams much higher then our pick. He will probably be long gone. What worries me now is Lean is coming in for a visit and our DL Coach was at his pro day.
 
coin flip for me between boston college og zion johnson and arkansas wr treylon burks.
forced to pick 1...today...right now...
treylon burks.
i like this ol class and feel we can get a starter in the 2nd or 3rd.
there are not alot of wr's like burks in this class.
he is a big bad man.
i'd love to get him.
 
#1 is Daxton Hill. I think he's ready to change games right now, honestly. 4.3 speed, elite man coverage ability, and great tackling in the box give a creative DC a true matchup weapon. No one else at 24 gives you that kind of high-floor high-ceiling game changer.

#2 is Boye Mafe. He and Hill are the only 2 guys I see as game changing talents at 24, Mafe is just higher risk.

#3 is Kenyon Green / Zion Johnson... I pretty much have them graded as a tie. Both are similar power guards who are going to start in the trenches for 10 years.

#4 is Burks. Big play potential but carries a lot of risk. I'd take him at #24 but wouldn't feel good about it.

#5 is Dean. Good player, but in Dallas, he's just going to get washed out on zone runs in playoff games. We have seen this kind of fast WILL who can't shed blocks at least four times this decade. Lee, Bruce Carter, Jaylon, LVE, anyone I'm missing here?
 
beware_d-ware said:
#1 is Daxton Hill. I think he's ready to change games right now, honestly. 4.3 speed, elite man coverage ability, and great tackling in the box give a creative DC a true matchup weapon. No one else at 24 gives you that kind of high-floor high-ceiling game changer.

#2 is Boye Mafe. He and Hill are the only 2 guys I see as game changing talents at 24, Mafe is just higher risk.

#3 is Kenyon Green / Zion Johnson... I pretty much have them graded as a tie. Both are similar power guards who are going to start in the trenches for 10 years.

#4 is Burks. Big play potential but carries a lot of risk. I'd take him at #24 but wouldn't feel good about it.

#5 is Dean. Good player, but in Dallas, he's just going to get washed out on zone runs in playoff games. We have seen this kind of fast WILL who can't shed blocks at least four times this decade. Lee, Bruce Carter, Jaylon, LVE, anyone I'm missing here?
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Not sure that’s a fair wrap for our LBs…Lee was a monster when healthy and LVE was tracking to be a solid pro until he got hurt. Carter had poor instincts and was overdrafted and Jaylon fly out shouldn’t have been drafted.
 
Burks is a beast, albeit raw. Could be the next David Boston, a guy who wouldnt' be denied.
 
beware_d-ware said:
#1 is Daxton Hill. I think he's ready to change games right now, honestly. 4.3 speed, elite man coverage ability, and great tackling in the box give a creative DC a true matchup weapon. No one else at 24 gives you that kind of high-floor high-ceiling game changer.

#2 is Boye Mafe. He and Hill are the only 2 guys I see as game changing talents at 24, Mafe is just higher risk.

#3 is Kenyon Green / Zion Johnson... I pretty much have them graded as a tie. Both are similar power guards who are going to start in the trenches for 10 years.

#4 is Burks. Big play potential but carries a lot of risk. I'd take him at #24 but wouldn't feel good about it.

#5 is Dean. Good player, but in Dallas, he's just going to get washed out on zone runs in playoff games. We have seen this kind of fast WILL who can't shed blocks at least four times this decade. Lee, Bruce Carter, Jaylon, LVE, anyone I'm missing here?
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My issue with Hill is where do you play him? Is he more of a slot corner or can he become a quality single high safety?
 
kskboys said:
Burks is a beast, albeit raw. Could be the next David Boston, a guy who wouldnt' be denied.
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Could be, or could be a bust due to such a limited route tree in college.

Way too much risk for the 1st round IMO.

Plus taking another WR in the 1st would be moronic considering we have 2 good ones. I’d make the pick if someone of Lambs caliber dropped but there isn’t a prospect on his level in this class. Good depth but no one I think can be a 1 outside of London.
 
Boye Mafe is my guy. But I would be on the phone to the Lions to see if they want to trade up fur any of the quarterbacks. Dropping down yo #32 and getting a few additional picks would be nice and I think you might still get him there.
 
I think they would almost certainly take Burks in this scenario. Most won’t like it but Burks is almost universally seen as a top 25 prospect. This would not be a reach. They see a guy that definitely has the potential to be a #1 WR.
 
At this point I feel like Zion Johnson is the most likely pick....but if somehow Dean is there thats a no brainer for me.

I'm not trying to fit the biggest need.....I want to see Dean and Parsons in the same defense.

If not I play it safe and go OL.
 
cnuball21 said:
Could be, or could be a bust due to such a limited route tree in college.

Way too much risk for the 1st round IMO.

Plus taking another WR in the 1st would be moronic considering we have 2 good ones. I’d make the pick if someone of Lambs caliber dropped but there isn’t a prospect on his level in this class. Good depth but no one I think can be a 1 outside of London.
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Burks is higher than Lamb's caliber. Just not quite ready.

I agree. Absolutely do not need a WR in the first, especially in a draft that is as deep at WR as this one is.

Bo Melton in the 3rd, if he's there.
 
Man it would be tough to pass on Dean. LVE is here just a year and we don’t know what Cox is yet. Dean is awesome at blitzing the QB up the middle too.
 
kskboys said:
Burks is higher than Lamb's caliber. Just not quite ready.

I agree. Absolutely do not need a WR in the first, especially in a draft that is as deep at WR as this one is.

Bo Melton in the 3rd, if he's there.
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Based on what?

Lamb had a better timed 40, was a better route runner coming out, equal production and better ball skills. Lamb was a legit top 20 talent and I see Burks as a solid top 50 selection.

I feel like all of the hype for Burks was based on his athleticism and it didn't pan out and now the media talking heads are too scared to back off the hype they created. He has solid potential but he's incredibly raw and there is a MUCH higher bust factor when compared to Lamb when he was coming out.
 
cnuball21 said:
Based on what?

Lamb had a better timed 40, was a better route runner coming out, equal production and better ball skills. Lamb was a legit top 20 talent and I see Burks as a solid top 50 selection.

I feel like all of the hype for Burks was based on his athleticism and it didn't pan out and now the media talking heads are too scared to back off the hype they created. He has solid potential but he's incredibly raw and there is a MUCH higher bust factor when compared to Lamb when he was coming out.
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Use the Dez template when discussing Burks. Dez entering the league needed work on his route running and was more of a ball of clay when the Cowboys drafted him. They are similar after the catch and have excellent body control /huge hands that allow them to win many 50/50 balls.

I too, don't want to draft a WR in rd 1 or we will be in a similar situation down the road, but Burks is worth the 24 pick if they decided to take him.
 
Cowboyny said:
Use the Dez template when discussing Burks. Dez entering the league needed work on his route running and was more of a ball of clay when the Cowboys drafted him. They are similar after the catch and have excellent body control /huge hands that allow them to win many 50/50 balls.

I too, don't want to draft a WR in rd 1 or we will be in a similar situation down the road, but Burks is worth the 24 pick if they decided to take him.
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Dez needed to become a better route runner for sure, but there was a ton of film of him winning down the field actually running routes. He also had arguably the best body control and ball skills I can remember from a college WR prospect...

He was a legit blue chip prospect if not for the off the field stuff. Burks isn't on the same planet as Dez as a prospect. Neither is anyone else in this class.
 
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