Pitts v the defensive players

[CouchCoach]

Ok, I wasn't a fan of going O in the 1st round last draft and the case made here about was there a D player available as good as Lamb was made. So, what is different about this except they're going to need to go up to get Pitts? And, btw, you were right, it was the right move to make.

Is Parsons a better LB or Surtain or Horn better CB's than Pitts is a TE? Yes, it's speculation but what about the draft isn't speculation? The upside for Pitts is unlike any TE prospect I've seen.

There are two players in this 1st round that have HOF caliber attached to them, Lawrence and Pitts. Sewell gets some love there but not like Pitts.

So, they trade their 10 and a 3rd and Gallup to ATL. That should get it done. The need for Gallup is mitigated by taking Pitts.

There are several things to consider here. One, he is the highest touted TE in draft history. 12 teams passed on the best TE in NFL history and 10 would like a do over and the ones below them would all trade up to get the best to ever play that position. And the Rams would have a tough choice at 1 between Gonzalez and Orlando Pace.

The Cowboys have an inside track on Pitts as his HC was Prescott's HC at Miss St. They used that inside track to their benefit in drafting Yosemite.

Moore showed the ability to utilize the TE in his O regardless of which one it was. Doesn't putting Pitts in Moore's offense intrigue you? Sure does me.

I know they need to address the D but is there a player in this draft that could mean to the D what Pitts might mean to this O?

If they trade up to get Pitts, I cannot fault them because when you look at him, doesn't he belong in a Cowboys uniform? He's got star written all over him and this owner is a follow the ball GM and all about offense is entertainment. Defense is just there to let the offense catch their breath.

I know we want Doomsday III but I think the owner sees The Greatest Show on Turf II and his rise complete to PT Booger, THE showman of the NFL. He cannot and will not miss out on his Tiny Tim at 6'6".

 

[Vinnie2u]

The Pitts hall of fame certainty is Premature Speculation.

 

[Diehardblues]

Ok, I wasn't a fan of going O in the 1st round last draft and the case made here about was there a D player available as good as Lamb was made. So, what is different about this except they're going to need to go up to get Pitts? And, btw, you were right, it was the right move to make.

Is Parsons a better LB or Surtain or Horn better CB's than Pitts is a TE? Yes, it's speculation but what about the draft isn't speculation? The upside for Pitts is unlike any TE prospect I've seen.

There are two players in this 1st round that have HOF caliber attached to them, Lawrence and Pitts. Sewell gets some love there but not like Pitts.

So, they trade their 10 and a 3rd and Gallup to ATL. That should get it done. The need for Gallup is mitigated by taking Pitts.

There are several things to consider here. One, he is the highest touted TE in draft history. 12 teams passed on the best TE in NFL history and 10 would like a do over and the ones below them would all trade up to get the best to ever play that position. And the Rams would have a tough choice at 1 between Gonzalez and Orlando Pace.

The Cowboys have an inside track on Pitts as his HC was Prescott's HC at Miss St. They used that inside track to their benefit in drafting Yosemite.

Moore showed the ability to utilize the TE in his O regardless of which one it was. Doesn't putting Pitts in Moore's offense intrigue you? Sure does me.

I know they need to address the D but is there a player in this draft that could mean to the D what Pitts might mean to this O?

If they trade up to get Pitts, I cannot fault them because when you look at him, doesn't he belong in a Cowboys uniform? He's got star written all over him and this owner is a follow the ball GM and all about offense is entertainment. Defense is just there to let the offense catch their breath.

I know we want Doomsday III but I think the owner sees The Greatest Show on Turf II and his rise complete to PT Booger, THE showman of the NFL. He cannot and will not miss out on his Tiny Tim at 6'6".

First of all we aren’t going to have Doomsday 3 with being so heavily invested on offense. We need to put that to rest. It’s simply not feasible in Cap era.

We need to be great on one side of the ball and average to above average on the other.

 

[Diehardblues]

Honestly , I’m more attracted to an OL with 1st pick. With Smiths lingering injury issues and losing Frederick , we have some concerns there.

We can’t have the level of success on offense without a solid OL.

 

[DanA]

If we nail the 1st pick (defense or offense) I'm happy. Too much is made about about pick 10 when we've got 9 other picks, free agency, and then the ability to trade post draft. What I don't want to see is a Taco Charlton taken because he is the prototype to fill the need. Just draft good players, the rest will sort itself out.

 

[morasp]

1. Lawrence 7.4 perennial all pro
2. Pitts 7.19 pro bowl talent
3 Smith 7.13pro bowl talent
4 Chase 7.12 pro bowl talent
5 Surtain 7.02 pro bowl talent
6 Parsons 6.89 Quality year one starter
7 JOK 6.82 Quality year one starter
8 Waddle 6.81 Quality year one starter
9 Sewell 6.73 Quality year one starter

 

[Diehardblues]

I’m not sure we need another target for Prescott. At least not the priority with so many other pressing needs.

Could we use a stud TE? Of course.

But if we can’t protect our QB or open holes for our RB, this offense can’t carry the defense.

 

[CouchCoach]

Honestly , I’m more attracted to an OL with 1st pick. With Smiths lingering injury issues and losing Frederick , we have some concerns there.

We can’t have the level of success on offense without a solid OL.

They would have to trade up to get Sewell just as they will have to for Pitts.

But the point is made, is there any D player in this draft = to the top 3 QB's, Sewell, Pitts, Chase or Waddle?

I think Parsons, Surtain, Horn and Farley, if 100%, can be good players. I believe Booger sees greatness in Pitts.

I also think every time he saw Randy Moss play, it sent a shock through him because he had a chance at him. I think he looks at Pitts as his Moss recovery.

Ya know, I think the sports world wants Pitts in a Cowboys uniform. I know the media does, that is perfection for them.

 

[RodeoJake]

Ok, I wasn't a fan of going O in the 1st round last draft and the case made here about was there a D player available as good as Lamb was made. So, what is different about this except they're going to need to go up to get Pitts? And, btw, you were right, it was the right move to make.

Is Parsons a better LB or Surtain or Horn better CB's than Pitts is a TE? Yes, it's speculation but what about the draft isn't speculation? The upside for Pitts is unlike any TE prospect I've seen.

There are two players in this 1st round that have HOF caliber attached to them, Lawrence and Pitts. Sewell gets some love there but not like Pitts.

So, they trade their 10 and a 3rd and Gallup to ATL. That should get it done. The need for Gallup is mitigated by taking Pitts.

There are several things to consider here. One, he is the highest touted TE in draft history. 12 teams passed on the best TE in NFL history and 10 would like a do over and the ones below them would all trade up to get the best to ever play that position. And the Rams would have a tough choice at 1 between Gonzalez and Orlando Pace.

The Cowboys have an inside track on Pitts as his HC was Prescott's HC at Miss St. They used that inside track to their benefit in drafting Yosemite.

Moore showed the ability to utilize the TE in his O regardless of which one it was. Doesn't putting Pitts in Moore's offense intrigue you? Sure does me.

I know they need to address the D but is there a player in this draft that could mean to the D what Pitts might mean to this O?

If they trade up to get Pitts, I cannot fault them because when you look at him, doesn't he belong in a Cowboys uniform? He's got star written all over him and this owner is a follow the ball GM and all about offense is entertainment. Defense is just there to let the offense catch their breath.

I know we want Doomsday III but I think the owner sees The Greatest Show on Turf II and his rise complete to PT Booger, THE showman of the NFL. He cannot and will not miss out on his Tiny Tim at 6'6".

Why would Atlanta make this trade when there's probably a team willing to give up 3 ones and maybe a day 2 pick or two to draft a QB? It would probably take our 1, 2 this year plus Gallup and at least our 1 next year. That's a lot to give up for a TE that's a potentially great receiver but a poor blocker.

 

[CouchCoach]

1. Lawrence 7.4 perennial all pro
2. Pitts 7.19 pro bowl talent
3 Smith 7.13pro bowl talent
4 Chase 7.12 pro bowl talent
5 Surtain 7.02 pro bowl talent
6 Parsons 6.89 Quality year one starter
7 JOK 6.82 Quality year one starter
8 Waddle 6.81 Quality year one starter
9 Sewell 6.73 Quality year one starter

I do not think Lawrence is going to be one of the two best QB's in the game, that's what All Pro means. At JAX, he's going to have Mahomes, Allen and maybe Watson to contend with for that award.

Who would Pitts have to contend with in the NFC for All Pro? And as long as Cooper and Lamb are there, All Pro is an outside shot for any TE.

 

[Diehardblues]

They would have to trade up to get Sewell just as they will have to for Pitts.

But the point is made, is there any D player in this draft = to the top 3 QB's, Sewell, Pitts, Chase or Waddle?

I think Parsons, Surtain, Horn and Farley, if 100%, can be good players. I believe Booger sees greatness in Pitts.

I also think every time he saw Randy Moss play, it sent a shock through him because he had a chance at him. I think he looks at Pitts as his Moss recovery.

Ya know, I think the sports world wants Pitts in a Cowboys uniform. I know the media does, that is perfection for them.

I hear ya . So , this isn’t about what we see or think but what we think Jethros going to do or the media’s perception?

 

[jrumann59]

The only issue with Pitts I have is he is not a "traditional" TE which is what the offense needs, a guy that can play in line be average at blocking. Pitts is a more talented Jarwin type more receiver than blocker. Either you ask him to gain weight, which could effect his speed, to become a better blocker. Or he gets used as a big slot receiver.

 

[CouchCoach]

Why would Atlanta make this trade when there's probably a team willing to give up 3 ones and maybe a day 2 pick or two to draft a QB? It would probably take our 1, 2 this year plus Gallup and at least our 1 next year. That's a lot to give up for a TE that's a potentially great receiver but a poor blocker.

That is the real challenge in this because of the QB craze in this draft but the top 3 will be gone. And there are teams at 5-9 that could offer more.

Gallup would be the tiebreaker because adding him to Jones and Ridley gives ATL the triplet WR's in the league and they are pass happy. He is actually more proven at the next level than any WR in this draft.

Pitts really isn't a poor blocker, that's just not his #1 job. That offense was all about passing and scoring and at one time Mullen had a QB and TE in the Heisman talk and that is gold in recruiting. I think their WR Toney is as good as any in this draft and some team is going to get a guy that just gets open and makes plays. FL had their own triplets and Pitts blocking wasn't critical.

 

[Winonesoon]

These thread scaring scaring me.

 

[CouchCoach]

I hear ya . So , this isn’t about what we see or think but what we think Jethros going to do or the media’s perception?

No, it's about him, all about him because he's getting up there and mortality is real and I do not think be believes defense wins championships. He thinks the 58 Bears, 00 Ravens and 03 Bucs were flukes. He sees the west coast offense of SF, Favre, the Greatest Show on Turf and his own triplets and all of that was entertainment. The most entertaining thing about the 85 Bears was using Perry on offense, McMahon's headbands and the Superbowl Shuffle.

Defense is the football purist's love, not the everyday fan and certainly not the ones that Booger looks down on in that stadium. In those fights he's had in the venue, anyone show up to watch any of the fighters fend off punches?

I think one thing that Booger does know are the fans that come to that stadium and Cowboys fans in general. There are fewer football purists in those crowds than most of the stadiums. They're there for the show and he didn't create that. The fans loved Lilly but they paid to watch Staubach play. The loudest cheers in TS and ATT have always been for the offensive stars. Booger didn't create that, he's just exploiting it.

 

[John813]

Why would ATL want Gallup?

Jones, Ridley and Gage are their starting 3.

Soon to be UFA Gallup doesn't address their issues.

 

[Diehardblues]

No, it's about him, all about him because he's getting up there and mortality is real and I do not think be believes defense wins championships. He thinks the 58 Bears, 00 Ravens and 03 Bucs were flukes. He sees the west coast offense of SF, Favre, the Greatest Show on Turf and his own triplets and all of that was entertainment. The most entertaining thing about the 85 Bears was using Perry on offense, McMahon's headbands and the Superbowl Shuffle.

Defense is the football purist's love, not the everyday fan and certainly not the ones that Booger looks down on in that stadium. In those fights he's had in the venue, anyone show up to watch any of the fighters fend off punches?

I think one thing that Booger does know are the fans that come to that stadium and Cowboys fans in general. There are fewer football purists in those crowds than most of the stadiums. They're there for the show and he didn't create that. The fans loved Lilly but they paid to watch Staubach play. The loudest cheers in TS and ATT have always been for the offensive stars. Booger didn't create that, he's just exploiting it.

Well, if that’s the case , then he’s certainly going to go offense unless there’s that “ no miss” talent on defense sitting there. Which isn’t likely.

We have enough need at TE and OL for him to go offense if there’s a stud within reach.

Good news is after he makes his splash in 1st round we could focus on defense in following top rounds.

 

[CouchCoach]

The only issue with Pitts I have is he is not a "traditional" TE which is what the offense needs, a guy that can play in line be average at blocking. Pitts is a more talented Jarwin type more receiver than blocker. Either you ask him to gain weight, which could effect his speed, to become a better blocker. Or he gets used as a big slot receiver.

He wasn't asked to be a traditional TE because that wasn't a traditional offense and if he's a Cowboy, he will not be playing in a traditional offense either.

McCarthy and Moore separate aren't traditional but together? Anything but, this is going to be a no holds barred passing offense. The defense of this team is going to be offense. To beat them, they have to score more and most likely in the mid 30's.

There really aren't any great defenses because there aren't enough great D players to go around and keeping them is a challenge. The Cowboys add Pitts, and even if they have to trade Gallup in the deal, they are one of the hardest 3 offenses to matchup against for any DC.

And like the 2014 team, the offense becomes the defense and alters play calling for the other team. That's what helped our D and why they were 2nd in picks, teams had to air the ball out more because they felt that had to get north of 30 to win.

 

[CATCH17]

Honestly , I’m more attracted to an OL with 1st pick. With Smiths lingering injury issues and losing Frederick , we have some concerns there.

We can’t have the level of success on offense without a solid OL.

I’d be happy with an OL player too.

A defender to me is just settling.

 

[CouchCoach]

Why would ATL want Gallup?

Jones, Ridley and Gage are their starting 3.

Soon to be UFA Gallup doesn't address their issues.

Julio is aging and Gallup is better than Gage and they still have Ryan and that says balls in the air. Their new HC is an OC.

They can address their issues at the 10 pick because there will be a D player there for the taking.

The real question I have is what do they think about Pitts in their offense? That's the fly in the ointment, the TE was critical to Smith at TEN when he was OC.