Players with realistic trade value

[dckid]

You are the one overvaluing Gallup if you think we can get a first for him. He's a very good #2 receiver. Nobody gives up a first for a #2 receiver.

Alright dude. You are the all knowing football genius.
Half the board hates Cooper and thinks Gallup can be a #1.

 

[Bobhaze]

I wish we could somehow find what we wrote about that trade when it happened. Don’t always judge the results in a bad process. The Cowboys were below .500 when they traded for Cooper we got lucky that he unlocked Dak that year. One in 10 chance of that happening. We were in line for a top 5 pick when that trade was made. Every expert said it was a bad trade. In the long term it should be process over results. Never trade a top 5 pick with a fixed cost to a team so that you get back a player in his 4th year and a big bill coming due.
It worked out for us, but half the board thinks he takes plays off and wants to keep Gallup over him.

I believe in judging all player acquisitions, whether through the draft, FA or trades, by how it helps the team WIN. I’m not impressed with stats, or just general excitement. If the goal is winning a championship, or at least getting close to one as possible, what good is a trade or draft pick that leaves you 8-8 and out of the playoffs or worse?

If a winning team is what we’re after, any player acquisition must be judged through that lens.

 

[dckid]

I believe in judging all player acquisitions, whether through the draft, FA or trades, by how it helps the team WIN. I’m not impressed with stats, or just general excitement. If the goal is winning a championship, or at least getting close to one as possible, what good is a trade or draft pick that leaves you 8-8 and out of the playoffs or worse?

If a winning team is what we’re after, any player acquisition must be judged through that lens.

Thanks. Good post. Our MO the last 25 years us not been about SB’s. Don’t know how we change it. We need some transcendent type player. This front office is toast.

 

[CouchCoach]

There are two problems with trades. The guy doing the trade on the Cowboys end wouldn't have come back with the cow or the beans. The other problem is you can't trade players you don't like because chances are, other teams don't like them enough to give up anything decent for them. No team is paying Cooper, Elliott, Lawrence or J. Smith what the Cowboys are paying them.

And the ultimate Pollyanna position is that the Cowboys would get something better with that draft pick than what they gave up. That illusion that they're a good drafting team, that's all that is, illusion. The craziest thing that happens on this site is all that hoorah for the draft after it's over. They haven't played a down yet. That 3 year rule didn't change to a 3 day rule.

Either they don't listen to McClay or he ain't all that.

And FA with the Cowboys stands for Fugit Aboutit.

 

[Bobhaze]

There are two problems with trades. The guy doing the trade on the Cowboys end wouldn't have come back with the cow or the beans. The other problem is you can't trade players you don't like because chances are, other teams don't like them enough to give up anything decent for them. No team is paying Cooper, Elliott, Lawrence or J. Smith what the Cowboys are paying them.

And the ultimate Pollyanna position is that the Cowboys would get something better with that draft pick than what they gave up. That illusion that they're a good drafting team, that's all that is, illusion. The craziest thing that happens on this site is all that hoorah for the draft after it's over. They haven't played a down yet. That 3 year rule didn't change to a 3 day rule.

Either they don't listen to McClay or he ain't all that.

And FA with the Cowboys stands for Fugit Aboutit.

I’ve said for years- Will McClay is a good scout and judge of NFL horse flesh. But all he does is rack em up on the pool table and hand the cue to Jerry. What could possibly go wrong? Lol!

 

[MoistMayonnaise]

This just in, we are not going to trade anyone. Those that have value we need to keep, those that don't have value we are stuck with.

Can't be that hard to understand but here we are with the 193st "who can we trade" thread.

 

[xwalker]

As the trade deadline nears, there are several threads talking about trades as if we have a bunch of players that have real trade value. It seems at times that many of our fans overvalue our player, thinking our trash is someone else’s treasure. Or that there are a load of teams just salivating to acquire our not so stellar guys.

But it doesn’t work that way. In fact, compared to most pro sports, like the NBA or MLB, there are very few trades of consequence in the NFL at the mid season deadline.

So, if we were serious about trading some of our guys for an upgrade, who actually would have real trade value? Before listing those guys, let’s look at the big factors and questions other teams are going to look at before agreeing to a trade:

• The age and injury history of the player. A 30+ year old player has very little trade value, even if they are still a pretty good player. Injury history also factors in.
• Contract status. A player who is still a very good player but has a very big contract is usually not very attractive to teams wanting a trade. Most NFL teams do not have the cap space to take on a big contract from a player who may already have diminishing skills.
• Potential off field issues/Team chemistry issues- the poster children of this issue are Antonio Brown and Earl Thomas. Both can probably still play, but most teams don’t want to deal with the headaches and baggage they bring. NEVER FORGET- in a league starved for talent at many positions, if other teams are avoiding someone, pay attention.

So with those general guidelines, who are the players we have that are and aren’t trade-able?
Here are some talented guys who aren’t trade-able for a multitude of reasons:

• D-Law- Big contract, approaching 30 and has some injury history.
• Tyron Smith- age, injury, contract- the trifecta. You couldn’t get a 7th rounder. I actually think he’s going to retire in the off season.
• Zeke- He’s just 25, but he has a big contract no one would want, and like all great RBs, after 5 seasons, his best days are probably not in front of him. We already see a lack of burst. He’s still a very good RB, but not great trade bait.
  
• LVE- two words- Neck injuries.
• La’el Collins- again- injuries. And a sizable contract.
• Amari Cooper- still an excellent receiver, but he’s got a big contract that few if any teams would want. Maybe in the offseason. Maybe.

Guys with great trade value- although we probably wouldn’t want to trade:

• Michael Gallup- still very young, still blossoming, and has a rookie deal for another full season. I would trade Cooper before Gallup if possible, although most teams wouldn’t trade for Coop.
• Zack Martin- contract might be too high, but he’s still a top 3 OL in the NFL and he’s 29. I wouldn’t trade him, but there’s probably some value there.
• CeDee Lamb- no way I’d trade him, but he would have great value at 22, and on a rookie deal for 3 more full seasons. Might be the only player we have that would garner a first round pick.

There are some mid level players we have that have a little value- maybe 6th or 7th round value, but that might be a stretch. Again, home town fans ALWAYS overvalue their own players.

All this to say....I don’t see the Cowboys being able to do much in a trade. Do you?

Keep in mind that 99% of fan/media trade ideas always end up being bad ideas.

If a player is on a big contract then he generally has limited trade value. A team would need to be desperate for a player this season because next March they could use the money on a free agent and keep the draft pick. Only a few positions are worth it to most teams. That means probably not an OG even if he is a super star unless the current is just taking pennies on the dollar in order to rebuild.

If the player is injured and old with a big contract then he has near zero trade value. (Tyron).

If a player is a young emerging super star then why trade him away (Gallup).

Only a moron would trade Lamb for a 1st round pick. There is a high probably the pick could be a bust. Lamb is basically a proven commodity already. Also Lamb was picked in part to be a salary cap management tool by giving the team the option to move on from Cooper after 2021 or to not be forced to drastically overpay when Gallup is a free agent.

Some team would give more for Dak even in his current injured state just for the rights to sign him to a long term contract than the Cowboys could get for all other players combined...because all rules of thumb that apply to other players are meaningless with QBs.

 

[Bobhaze]

This just in, we are not going to trade anyone. Those that have value we need to keep, those that don't have value we are stuck with.

Can't be that hard to understand but here we are with the 193st "who can we trade" thread.

You obviously didn’t read it.

 

[InTheZone]

Guys with great trade value:
Dak - minimum 2 1st round picks
Gallup - 1st + additional picks
Cooper - 1st + additional picks

We cannot afford to trade Martin and lets hope Smith doesn't retire.

If Dalton looks as promising as ever to the playoffs I say ship Dak and Cooper for as many picks as possible, splurge on defense, and sign some FA OL.

 

[john van brocklin]

As the trade deadline nears, there are several threads talking about trades as if we have a bunch of players that have real trade value. It seems at times that many of our fans overvalue our player, thinking our trash is someone else’s treasure. Or that there are a load of teams just salivating to acquire our not so stellar guys.

But it doesn’t work that way. In fact, compared to most pro sports, like the NBA or MLB, there are very few trades of consequence in the NFL at the mid season deadline.

So, if we were serious about trading some of our guys for an upgrade, who actually would have real trade value? Before listing those guys, let’s look at the big factors and questions other teams are going to look at before agreeing to a trade:

• The age and injury history of the player. A 30+ year old player has very little trade value, even if they are still a pretty good player. Injury history also factors in.
• Contract status. A player who is still a very good player but has a very big contract is usually not very attractive to teams wanting a trade. Most NFL teams do not have the cap space to take on a big contract from a player who may already have diminishing skills.
• Potential off field issues/Team chemistry issues- the poster children of this issue are Antonio Brown and Earl Thomas. Both can probably still play, but most teams don’t want to deal with the headaches and baggage they bring. NEVER FORGET- in a league starved for talent at many positions, if other teams are avoiding someone, pay attention.

So with those general guidelines, who are the players we have that are and aren’t trade-able?
Here are some talented guys who aren’t trade-able for a multitude of reasons:

• D-Law- Big contract, approaching 30 and has some injury history.
• Tyron Smith- age, injury, contract- the trifecta. You couldn’t get a 7th rounder. I actually think he’s going to retire in the off season.
• Zeke- He’s just 25, but he has a big contract no one would want, and like all great RBs, after 5 seasons, his best days are probably not in front of him. We already see a lack of burst. He’s still a very good RB, but not great trade bait.
  
• LVE- two words- Neck injuries.
• La’el Collins- again- injuries. And a sizable contract.
• Amari Cooper- still an excellent receiver, but he’s got a big contract that few if any teams would want. Maybe in the offseason. Maybe.

Guys with great trade value- although we probably wouldn’t want to trade:

• Michael Gallup- still very young, still blossoming, and has a rookie deal for another full season. I would trade Cooper before Gallup if possible, although most teams wouldn’t trade for Coop.
• Zack Martin- contract might be too high, but he’s still a top 3 OL in the NFL and he’s 29. I wouldn’t trade him, but there’s probably some value there.
• CeDee Lamb- no way I’d trade him, but he would have great value at 22, and on a rookie deal for 3 more full seasons. Might be the only player we have that would garner a first round pick.

There are some mid level players we have that have a little value- maybe 6th or 7th round value, but that might be a stretch. Again, home town fans ALWAYS overvalue their own players.

All this to say....I don’t see the Cowboys being able to do much in a trade. Do you?

Nope, and for the reasons you quoted

 

[kskboys]

I wish we could somehow find what we wrote about that trade when it happened. Don’t always judge the results in a bad process. The Cowboys were below .500 when they traded for Cooper we got lucky that he unlocked Dak that year. One in 10 chance of that happening. We were in line for a top 5 pick when that trade was made. Every expert said it was a bad trade. In the long term it should be process over results. Never trade a top 5 pick with a fixed cost to a team so that you get back a player in his 4th year and a big bill coming due.
It worked out for us, but half the board thinks he takes plays off and wants to keep Gallup over him.

Terrible trade.

 

[HotDog37]

Dak & Cooper.

 

[Diehardblues]

As the trade deadline nears, there are several threads talking about trades as if we have a bunch of players that have real trade value. It seems at times that many of our fans overvalue our player, thinking our trash is someone else’s treasure. Or that there are a load of teams just salivating to acquire our not so stellar guys.

But it doesn’t work that way. In fact, compared to most pro sports, like the NBA or MLB, there are very few trades of consequence in the NFL at the mid season deadline.

So, if we were serious about trading some of our guys for an upgrade, who actually would have real trade value? Before listing those guys, let’s look at the big factors and questions other teams are going to look at before agreeing to a trade:

• The age and injury history of the player. A 30+ year old player has very little trade value, even if they are still a pretty good player. Injury history also factors in.
• Contract status. A player who is still a very good player but has a very big contract is usually not very attractive to teams wanting a trade. Most NFL teams do not have the cap space to take on a big contract from a player who may already have diminishing skills.
• Potential off field issues/Team chemistry issues- the poster children of this issue are Antonio Brown and Earl Thomas. Both can probably still play, but most teams don’t want to deal with the headaches and baggage they bring. NEVER FORGET- in a league starved for talent at many positions, if other teams are avoiding someone, pay attention.

So with those general guidelines, who are the players we have that are and aren’t trade-able?
Here are some talented guys who aren’t trade-able for a multitude of reasons:

• D-Law- Big contract, approaching 30 and has some injury history.
• Tyron Smith- age, injury, contract- the trifecta. You couldn’t get a 7th rounder. I actually think he’s going to retire in the off season.
• Zeke- He’s just 25, but he has a big contract no one would want, and like all great RBs, after 5 seasons, his best days are probably not in front of him. We already see a lack of burst. He’s still a very good RB, but not great trade bait.
  
• LVE- two words- Neck injuries.
• La’el Collins- again- injuries. And a sizable contract.
• Amari Cooper- still an excellent receiver, but he’s got a big contract that few if any teams would want. Maybe in the offseason. Maybe.

Guys with great trade value- although we probably wouldn’t want to trade:

• Michael Gallup- still very young, still blossoming, and has a rookie deal for another full season. I would trade Cooper before Gallup if possible, although most teams wouldn’t trade for Coop.
• Zack Martin- contract might be too high, but he’s still a top 3 OL in the NFL and he’s 29. I wouldn’t trade him, but there’s probably some value there.
• CeDee Lamb- no way I’d trade him, but he would have great value at 22, and on a rookie deal for 3 more full seasons. Might be the only player we have that would garner a first round pick.

There are some mid level players we have that have a little value- maybe 6th or 7th round value, but that might be a stretch. Again, home town fans ALWAYS overvalue their own players.

All this to say....I don’t see the Cowboys being able to do much in a trade. Do you?

D Law and Cooper would be the two I’d consider . Both could prob fetch some value. And two we probably won’t be resigning again.

 

[Diehardblues]

Terrible trade.

Yep

And even worse to resign him with using our 1st pick on Lamb.

 

[RS12]

No way Martin gets traded and I think they could get a haul for him. Reason: Jerry and his ego want to be able to say he drafted and developed a recent HOF player. Of course I don't think Jerry will still be around when Zack gets inducted, but this is likely the current thinking.

 

[foofighters]

Tyron Smith is definitely tradeable. He only makes $12 million and is still a top 5 tackle when healthy.

I really don't think we'd get anything for him. He'd probably get one of those 3 mil, 1 year prove it deals.

 

[gjkoeppen]

As the trade deadline nears, there are several threads talking about trades as if we have a bunch of players that have real trade value. It seems at times that many of our fans overvalue our player, thinking our trash is someone else’s treasure. Or that there are a load of teams just salivating to acquire our not so stellar guys.

But it doesn’t work that way. In fact, compared to most pro sports, like the NBA or MLB, there are very few trades of consequence in the NFL at the mid season deadline.

So, if we were serious about trading some of our guys for an upgrade, who actually would have real trade value? Before listing those guys, let’s look at the big factors and questions other teams are going to look at before agreeing to a trade:

• The age and injury history of the player. A 30+ year old player has very little trade value, even if they are still a pretty good player. Injury history also factors in.
• Contract status. A player who is still a very good player but has a very big contract is usually not very attractive to teams wanting a trade. Most NFL teams do not have the cap space to take on a big contract from a player who may already have diminishing skills.
• Potential off field issues/Team chemistry issues- the poster children of this issue are Antonio Brown and Earl Thomas. Both can probably still play, but most teams don’t want to deal with the headaches and baggage they bring. NEVER FORGET- in a league starved for talent at many positions, if other teams are avoiding someone, pay attention.

So with those general guidelines, who are the players we have that are and aren’t trade-able?
Here are some talented guys who aren’t trade-able for a multitude of reasons:

• D-Law- Big contract, approaching 30 and has some injury history.
• Tyron Smith- age, injury, contract- the trifecta. You couldn’t get a 7th rounder. I actually think he’s going to retire in the off season.
• Zeke- He’s just 25, but he has a big contract no one would want, and like all great RBs, after 5 seasons, his best days are probably not in front of him. We already see a lack of burst. He’s still a very good RB, but not great trade bait.
  
• LVE- two words- Neck injuries.
• La’el Collins- again- injuries. And a sizable contract.
• Amari Cooper- still an excellent receiver, but he’s got a big contract that few if any teams would want. Maybe in the offseason. Maybe.

Guys with great trade value- although we probably wouldn’t want to trade:

• Michael Gallup- still very young, still blossoming, and has a rookie deal for another full season. I would trade Cooper before Gallup if possible, although most teams wouldn’t trade for Coop.
• Zack Martin- contract might be too high, but he’s still a top 3 OL in the NFL and he’s 29. I wouldn’t trade him, but there’s probably some value there.
• CeDee Lamb- no way I’d trade him, but he would have great value at 22, and on a rookie deal for 3 more full seasons. Might be the only player we have that would garner a first round pick.

There are some mid level players we have that have a little value- maybe 6th or 7th round value, but that might be a stretch. Again, home town fans ALWAYS overvalue their own players.

All this to say....I don’t see the Cowboys being able to do much in a trade. Do you?

Gil Brandt once said there are 4 different values for players.

1) The value a team places on a player and the least they would accept in a trade for that player.
2) The value the other 31 teams place on that player and the most they would give up for that player.
3) The fans of that player's team and what they think the player is worth in trade.
4) The fans of the other teams and the most they would give up for that player in a trade.

Brandt then went on to say that numbers 3 and 4 seldom if ever are the same as 1 and 2. Fans of the team/player place a higher value on that player and the rest of the fans place a lower value on that player.
.
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[charron]

Gallop should be shopped. I like him but he will not be here long term so why keep him if you can get the compensation you want. If we can snag a potential 2nd round pick instead of letting him walk then maybe getting a 3rd that would be ideal.

 

[Stash]

As the trade deadline nears, there are several threads talking about trades as if we have a bunch of players that have real trade value. It seems at times that many of our fans overvalue our player, thinking our trash is someone else’s treasure. Or that there are a load of teams just salivating to acquire our not so stellar guys.

But it doesn’t work that way. In fact, compared to most pro sports, like the NBA or MLB, there are very few trades of consequence in the NFL at the mid season deadline.

So, if we were serious about trading some of our guys for an upgrade, who actually would have real trade value? Before listing those guys, let’s look at the big factors and questions other teams are going to look at before agreeing to a trade:

• The age and injury history of the player. A 30+ year old player has very little trade value, even if they are still a pretty good player. Injury history also factors in.
• Contract status. A player who is still a very good player but has a very big contract is usually not very attractive to teams wanting a trade. Most NFL teams do not have the cap space to take on a big contract from a player who may already have diminishing skills.
• Potential off field issues/Team chemistry issues- the poster children of this issue are Antonio Brown and Earl Thomas. Both can probably still play, but most teams don’t want to deal with the headaches and baggage they bring. NEVER FORGET- in a league starved for talent at many positions, if other teams are avoiding someone, pay attention.

So with those general guidelines, who are the players we have that are and aren’t trade-able?
Here are some talented guys who aren’t trade-able for a multitude of reasons:

• D-Law- Big contract, approaching 30 and has some injury history.
• Tyron Smith- age, injury, contract- the trifecta. You couldn’t get a 7th rounder. I actually think he’s going to retire in the off season.
• Zeke- He’s just 25, but he has a big contract no one would want, and like all great RBs, after 5 seasons, his best days are probably not in front of him. We already see a lack of burst. He’s still a very good RB, but not great trade bait.
  
• LVE- two words- Neck injuries.
• La’el Collins- again- injuries. And a sizable contract.
• Amari Cooper- still an excellent receiver, but he’s got a big contract that few if any teams would want. Maybe in the offseason. Maybe.

Guys with great trade value- although we probably wouldn’t want to trade:

• Michael Gallup- still very young, still blossoming, and has a rookie deal for another full season. I would trade Cooper before Gallup if possible, although most teams wouldn’t trade for Coop.
• Zack Martin- contract might be too high, but he’s still a top 3 OL in the NFL and he’s 29. I wouldn’t trade him, but there’s probably some value there.
• CeDee Lamb- no way I’d trade him, but he would have great value at 22, and on a rookie deal for 3 more full seasons. Might be the only player we have that would garner a first round pick.

There are some mid level players we have that have a little value- maybe 6th or 7th round value, but that might be a stretch. Again, home town fans ALWAYS overvalue their own players.

All this to say....I don’t see the Cowboys being able to do much in a trade. Do you?

No, the current Cowboys are in position to 'Sell' as I do not believe they're doing anything this year. However, given the structures (and restructures) of their name-player, big-money contracts, they couldn't trade the players if they wanted to. Every one of the names you listed have contracts that prohibit the team from trading or cutting them. The cap hit would destroy this team's salary cap.

And Gallup and Lamb are two stars at the position that you wouldn't get adequate return on anyway. It would be dumb to trade either of them. No, the Cowboys are stuck with their big contracts, and most of the makeup of this current team. The only way to fix things is by hitting on cheap free agents and draft picks.

 

[Brooksey]

Gallup and Ced Wilson have trade value..obviously Gallup has more. Amari, Cee Dee, Ced Wilson would be just fine, if we could get a star Defensive player it has to be considered.