Playoffs will be up to Dallas defense period

[Gryphon]

Originally posted by gibarra from another forum: INTERESTING PERSPECTIVE

Lets get real folks. This defense has been touted as one of the NFL's best by alot of people and I am having a hard time accepting this. We have no pass rush, no clue on how to blitz an offense, and we are getting torched by everybody in the division in the passing game. Other teams dont look at our defense with fear. I have seen some posts on other threads touting this defense as more talented than the Dallas defense during the Jimmy Johnson Era. I almost fell out into hysterics on those posts. That defense was feared and kept opposing offenses up late at night figuring out ways to survive that squad. Today they look at our defense and laugh. They see Roy Williams and Co and smile in the huddle and say go deep and they will either interfer with you or you will catch it for a TD. Our defense allows old men like Brunell to become Hall of Famers for a week with the amount of time they have to throw the ball. Brunell should have been on his *** with a relenting pass rush all day long. He is a timing QB and totally a statue at QB and he beats us every year. This is pathetic and inexcusable. We cant sack a QB if our lives depended on it either. We have the most inconsistent defense in the NFL this year as indictive as the record. One week they keep an opponent in check and the next week implode. I just cant put my finger on why our defense shuts down an offense equipped with Steve Smith and Jake Delomme for three quarters on the road and yet let a 45 year old man lead a team to victory without his top reciever. Unbelievable!!! IF we lose to Arizona and they score more than 15 points...everybody on defense should be FIRED! No questions asked. Romo and co however should score between 35 and 45 points in this one, so the defense may be saved. Lets see how good this defense is against the best team and offense this league has ever seen, on Nov 19th against Indy.
Its time for the defense to start winning games and not losing them with pathetic coverage and pass rushing and piss-poor tackling.
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[CrazyCowboy]

I would just like to see our defense play up to their potential for ONE WEEK

 

[sbark]

Everyone is always on pins and needles thinking how many weeks Romo can put together a streak.........

Well streaks needed are:
1> TO With no b.s., no game looseing drops, no shenanagins

2 Our big money players with no Low Richter scale IQ penalties
----these guys are given extra responsibility w/ the big checks to make the play when the play is needed or coaches put them in position to make the play...........just get it done

3 and yes totally agree that defence needs to step up.....but not just one week..............need to streak it thru the end of the playoffs..........talk and mini big hit vids are cheap.........W's are what cuts the cheese

<<<<<<<Winning is a habit, unfortunatly so is Looseing...............

 

[STSINAZ]

hate to say it but payton is going to rip us apart next week

 

[big dog cowboy]

Playoffs will be up to Dallas defense period

And the O-line.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

. Our defense allows old men like Brunell to become Hall of Famers for a week with the amount of time they have to throw the ball. Brunell should have been on his *** with a relenting pass rush all day long.

Well, the consenus lately in the national media is our front seven is excellent, but the big plays given up by the secondary mark it as poor.

We know that the situation is a little more complex than that, and that more 'pressure' is indeed in order.

The D is going to live and die as a unit, but inability to more consistently pressure the QB looks once AGAIN like it will be the biggest nail in its coffin.

But I think Bill and Zim realize this better than we ever could, and are trying to remedy it.

Tomorrow it's a rookie QB, but a very talented one with elite receivers. Anthony Henry doesn't need another day like last Sunday, and I suspect the game plan will more clearly place the line of attack at the LOS than downfield.
Brunell can get that ball out mighty fast, if not very far anymore..and can recognize any blitz package or pressure -Leinart is still wet behind the ears - B and Z will throw the book at him tomorrow.

 

[DallasDomination]

If it takes this long for a Defense to play up to it's potential then they probably are not as good we thought.


Furgeson- Has played his roll in stoping the run and being a force in the middle.

Canty-Spears- They have played decent all year. havent seen them make any big plays but theys tuff the run pretty well.

Ware-Ellis- They have their days when they make great plays but then other times when they dont do crap...We need to rest these guys a little more so they can stay fresh all game.


James-Ayodele- Decent players...Expected a little more from James though.


Newman- Best defensive player we have PERIOD.

Henry- Good against the run and physical but has ups and downs.

Glenn..Quick little guy that can make some plays but again He goes for the INt avery time and that can result in a INT or TD.


Roy Williams- This guy I cant put my finger on..He plays lights out one game and just makes me laugh the next. He needs a real FS to help him out.


Watkins/Davis/Colemen-

Watkins- was the steal of the draft remember? Well He can cover but he sure in hell doesnt have the balls to make a moce for the ball...That kid lacks confidence not talent.

Davis-The guy is another Strong safety. He would be much better playing Williams roll. As a FS He's just another number on the field.

Colemen-

Who the heck is he?..That explains it.

 

[CaptainQuint]

Well, the consenus lately in the national media is our front seven is excellent, but the big plays given up by the secondary mark it as poor.
We know that the situation is a little more complex than that, and that more 'pressure' is indeed in order.

The national media have a shallow understanding of the problem.
Watkins, only a 5th round draft choice, shouldn't get the blame, when all those 1st round draft choices fail to pressure. When does Spears make a play? Canty's only a 4th round choice, so he can't be blamed, either.
I know Castillo's rolled his ankle, and is out for this week, but Castillo rolled his ankle stepping on the QB(Frye) he'd sacked!

The 2005 defense was almost untouchable at times, like against NY for most of the 1st game, and against Seatlle, for all but the first and last drives.

Most of the resources have been spent on defense, but it hasn't shown up yet.

 

[Ben_n_austin]

hate to say it but payton is going to rip us apart next week

Not so fast; I think that game will depend heavily on turn overs. I think we match up well against them, actually.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

The national media have a shallow understanding of the problem.
Watkins, only a 5th round draft choice, shouldn't get the blame, when all those 1st round draft choices fail to pressure. When does Spears make a play? Canty's only a 4th round choice, so he can't be blamed, either.
I know Castillo's rolled his ankle, and is out for this week, but Castillo rolled his ankle stepping on the QB(Frye) he'd sacked!

The 2005 defense was almost untouchable at times, like against NY for most of the 1st game, and against Seatlle, for all but the first and last drives.

Most of the resources have been spent on defense, but it hasn't shown up yet.

Well, we know the chief rush in a 3-4 is from the backers, but Bill keeps making a point in press conferences of calling on Canty and Spears to step up.

Yes, it's true neither got drafted as high as Richard Seymour, but it's also true a 3-4 defensive end can get sacks and pressures.

 

[Kaika]

Not so fast; I think that game will depend heavily on turn overs. I think we match up well against them, actually.

Well if it depends on turnovers we're all set. We've got that down to a science.:laugh1:





Oh, you meant something else, huh.
My Bad.

 

[CaptainQuint]

Well, we know the chief rush in a 3-4 is from the backers, but Bill keeps making a point in press conferences of calling on Canty and Spears to step up.

Yes, it's true neither got drafted as high as Richard Seymour, but it's also true a 3-4 defensive end can get sacks and pressures.

Castillo already has more sacks than Spears will have in his CAREER!
And we drafted Spears 5 places AHEAD of Castillo, in 2005.

 

[jobberone]

Castillo already has more sacks than Spears will have in his CAREER!
And we drafted Spears 5 places AHEAD of Castillo, in 2005.

This defense is not creating turnovers, allowing too many big plays, not stopping people when necessary which is a subset of allowing too many big plays, and not creating enough up front pressure altho we are almost there in that area. These are the words of Parcells: "We know the problems and we're trying to correct them. We're not creating enough turnovers and giving up too many big plays."

Although Bill has the ultimate responsibility the real fault lies in the players and I'm guessing lack of complete and effective communication between the coaches and players; what we have here is failure to communicate. You cannot fire your players very often anymore so you fire coaches. The NFL is not exactly like a corporation that can fire then replace people not doing their job.

In other words I understand why people are upset with Bill but you can lead a horse to water yada yada.

There is no reason why this defense does not do better concerning the above. All the assets are there. I'm stumped except to say you can only let people have too many strikes or extra outs. When the ball hits you in the hands you have to intercept it. When the offense needs twenty yards for a first down on third you just stop them.

Down from the pulpit but until this defense makes plays which includes takeovers then we will be up and down.

Go Dallas!

 

[Boy's fan in Giant land]

While I agree wholeheartedly with the original poster about being sick and tired about having ALL this talent on paper on the defensive side of the ball then watching them repeatedly fail to come up with convincing stops when needed against oftentimes inferior teams, I think it only fair to point out that (IMHO anyway) they will indeed 'step up' as the season progresses for several reasons. First, we, and they, all know the pressure is on and they know they need to, next, the coaches are well aware of the deficiencies and are taking steps to correct the problem (we're talking increased and varied stunts/blitz packages since it's obviously the only way to take some of the load off the DB's, but it's not going to happen overnight folks), but most importantly as the 'Romo factor' takes hold and our offense continues to improve (yeah, I know it's early yet, but given what he's shown us so far, I don't see a Rothlesburger type meltdown in Tony's immediate future) the D will be more rested/have more time with the coaches on the sideline to make adjustments due to increased time of posession. What many fail to see here is that a direct result of a much improved offense is the indirect pressure they put on the defense to 'man up' & hold up their end of the bargain.

A man's pride can, and will, often cause him to go 'above and beyond the call of duty' just to prove to someone he can perform to expected levels. We've all done it at one time in our lives and I think it fair to say that professional athletes have just a tad more pride than your average Joe.
It's one thing to lose a game where the entire football world knows that "our D let us down yesterday" since you don't have to look in the eyes of the other teams players every day the following week & listen to them rubbing it in. Lord knows that they feel bad enough for several days after such a loss what with the coaches & their own conscience raggin' on their butts, but it's an entirely different kind of pressure when they must look into the eyes of their teammates each and every day & read the unspoken letdown there.

I honestly want to believe (though I'm not quite sure I can anymore) that our coaches will let our defensive front seven loose to put serious pressure on opposing quarterbacks. Yes, I realize that doing so can and indeed will result in our giving up big gains every now and then, but hey, we're doing it now and doing so may well pay dividends in hurried throws/incompletions/ints, sacks and/or stops for negative yardage, and fumbles for the good guys.

I know that NFL coaches talk the talk about not looking ahead and "we're playing this one game at a time" but how can they not help but realizing that Indy's on the horizon at home? It's human nature.

I pray with all my heart that tomorrow proves to be a 'practice game' for next weekend and we throw the kitchen sink and half the plumbing at the Cards when they have the ball. No, doing it in the desert against a rookie QB & a poor team can't even compare to the Colts, but practice makes perfect.

All I know is that if we don't knock the living crap out of Peyton next weekend and have him running for his life all day long, he's going to pick us apart no matter what our offense does.

 

[Garland powerplay]

Dude ,
How about stopping somebody w/ a lead, like being up 7 & not putting away the lowly skins.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Why are people surprised that we don't create pressure on the QB, get sacks, hardly any turnovers and INTs?

This defense has been doing that for several years now. Its not like we became passive all of a sudden.

Our defense under Mike Zimmer has been notorious for lack of sacks, lack of pressure on the QB, very few INTs and turnovers and they give up the big play during crucial situations.

This didn't happen just this year. It happened last year and the year before that.

We changed our defensive scheme to become more aggresive into a 3-4 defense. We drafted players such as D. Ware and revamped our secondary. We brought in free agents into our defense.

Then why do we still get the same results even though we have totally revamped our defense?

You only need to look at Mike Zimmer. There is where you will find your answer.

 

[lspain1]

Blitzing does not seem to be the answer. The best defenses seem to get pressure rushing only 4. We are not able to do that.

Parcells mentioned teams are spreading us out to limit our rush. We lack push up the middle. Teams know that Ellis and Ware are the only ones who consistently generate anything so they scheme against these two guys.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Blitzing does not seem to be the answer. The best defenses seem to get pressure rushing only 4. We are not able to do that.

Parcells mentioned teams are spreading us out to limit our rush. We lack push up the middle. Teams know that Ellis and Ware are the only ones who consistently generate anything so they scheme against these two guys.

Blitz is not the answer. Especially a Zimmer scripted blitz package. His blitz package is the most predictable and the most blockable blitz in the league. I can't think of another team that blitzes so much and yet never gets to the QB. Zimmer's blitz package was always like that. Each and every year his blitz never hardly ever gets to the QB. Different players same results.

As for teams spreading us out I don't know why we don't blitz then? Why do we dictate our defense to what the offense do? Why is it that we only blitz on 3rd and long where teams just know when were coming? When teams spread their offense, why don't we just rush Ware rather than place him into coverage?

So many ways of getting pressure on the QB. Our coaches just need to use their commonsenses on how to.