Polamalu vs. Woodson

[ABQCOWBOY]

That's been the consensus of most here I doubt Troy Aikman would have been as good in the West Coast offense. A lot of players wouldn't have been as good in different schemes I've pointed that out several times. Woodson could have played in Pittsburgh but he wouldn't had near the career Polamalu did because he wasn't the instinctive playmaker Polamalu was. The Steelers would have had Woodson play a traditional safety role which is what they had in place for Polamalu until they realized what an instinctive playmaker he was. Wish I could find Bill Cowher's interview so some of you could hear it.

Well, he was a better athlete, stronger, bigger, quicker, then was polamalu so I honestly don't know how you can say that he would or would not have been better. I can, however, say that Polamalu would definitely have been worse in Dallas' scheme. I've seen him play coverage and he is nothing special, at all, in that regard.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You're not following my points you're bent on creating arguments. You gave an example of OJ Simpson not having any highlights on YouTube and I gave you a good reason as to why he doesn't. You're saying Polamalu has plenty of highlights because he just retired when some of his highlight reels are from at least 6 years ago. Jim Brown retired 50 years ago yet he has plenty of highlights on YouTube. Go find an article, video or ranking that supports Darren Woodson was on par or better than Troy Polamalu. Go find something credible to support your opinions. FAN opinion isn't going to override the facts that have been posted.

I'm not accepting your opinion as proof. It has nothing to do with following your point, per say. You are the one who used Youtube as reason why one was better then the other. You also said that it didn't matter how old a player was, his stuff would still be out there plenty. Well, I gave you example and now its because of something else. I am not saying that Woodson is or was better. What I am saying is that they were different and played in different schemes. You can't compare them because of this. You go find something that proves Polamalu is better. The burden is not on me, it's on you. You are claiming that the number of Youtube videos is somehow indicative of the fact that Polamalu is better. That would be your todo KJJ.

 

[dallasdave]

At the end of the day the Cowboys still rule and the steelers still suck.

 

[BobGriffin3]

Woodson and it's not even remotely close. Living in PA, I had the luxury of seeing pretty much every Steelers game for the past 10 years. Troy is nothing but an above average safety who makes 2 wow plays every season in which ESPN/NFL Network pounds down our throats every 10 minutes for the following 2 months. He is a complete non factor in the playoffs as well if he even sees the field. Overrated and it's not even his fault either. All this talk about HOF/Best safety ever/ect is a slap in the face to the actual greats.

 

[dallasdave]

Woodson and it's not even remotely close. Living in PA, I had the luxury of seeing pretty much every Steelers game for the past 10 years. Troy is nothing but an above average safety who makes 2 wow plays every season in which ESPN/NFL Network pounds down our throats every 10 minutes for the following 2 months. He is a complete non factor in the playoffs as well if he even sees the field. Overrated and it's not even his fault either. All this talk about HOF/Best safety ever/ect is a slap in the face to the actual greats.

Well said indeed sir, stay thirsty my friend.

 

[KJJ]

I'm not accepting your opinion as proof. It has nothing to do with following your point, per say. You are the one who used Youtube as reason why one was better then the other. You also said that it didn't matter how old a player was, his stuff would still be out there plenty. Well, I gave you example and now its because of something else. I am not saying that Woodson is or was better. What I am saying is that they were different and played in different schemes. You can't compare them because of this. You go find something that proves Polamalu is better. The burden is not on me, it's on you. You are claiming that the number of Youtube videos is somehow indicative of the fact that Polamalu is better. That would be your todo KJJ.

I never used Polamalu's YouTube highlights as an indication he was better than Woodson and my posts are there for everyone to read. Never once did I claim his YouTube highlights were indicative that he was better. What his highlights are indicative of is that he was more of a playmaker than Woodson. You're twisting my comments because you're getting frustrated with the discussion. I've made it very clear why Polamalu is the better player but this discussion is starting to wear on you and it's time we wrap it up. I said the reason he has more highlights than Woodson is because he was a playmaker. You said you would expect there to be more highlights from a player who just retired than of one who retired more than 10 years ago when the fact is most of Polamalu's highlights have been up for years. There's plenty of highlights of Jim Brown and Gayle Sayers and they've been retired for decades. You're the one who brought up OJ Simpson not having any YouTube highlights trying to use him to make a point why Woodson has no highlights. OJ's highlights consist of his murder trial. Any football highlights of him were either taken down by YouTube or the people who posted them because of all the negative comments they stirred up. Do you think anyone wants to talk about OJ's football career? Posting his football highlights would get you nothing but negative comments and an inbox full of hate mail.

The facts are that Polamalu had a better career than Woodson. Every safety ranking has Polamalu ranked well ahead of Darren Woodson. We agree both players were different and played in different schemes and Polamalu was a better player in his scheme than Woodson was in his....FACT! Polamalu had the better career...FACT! A lot of players are different and play in different schemes and they're judged on how they perform. Darren Woodson was not apart of the 90's all decade team and hasn't even been added to the Cowboys ROH when 5 of his teammates have. This is a ridiculous debate that would only take place on a Cowboys FAN board. For someone who claims they're not saying Woodson was better than Polamalu you sure are making a big issue out of the comparison. There's no comparison they were different style players who played in different schemes.

 

[Plankton]

I followed Woodson's career from day one and he was a "very good player" but not a "great" player by NFL/HOF or my standards. You can't listen to most of the FANS here or FANS on any other teams forum because a lot of their opinions are based on a strong bias. Sure, in Seattle Kenny Easley would probably be better to their FAN base than Polamalu. If you want an honest opinion about players you need to listen to the experts and fans who choose to tell it like it is and give honest, unbiased opinions. All the FACTS support Polamalu being a better player than Darren Woodson.

An unbiased opinion is an oxymoron. Opinions are wholly biased.

The way you have been responding about Polamalu in this thread makes you look like a bigger FAN than anyone else in the thread.

And, that's my unbiased opinion.

 

[KJJ]

An unbiased opinion is an oxymoron. Opinions are wholly biased.

The way you have been responding about Polamalu in this thread makes you look like a bigger FAN than anyone else in the thread.

And, that's my unbiased opinion.

A FAN is a "homer" you need to get with the program. lol

 

[Plankton]

A FAN is a "homer" you need to get with the program. lol

Yeah. You have been responding in this thread like a Troy Polamalu FANboy homer.

Your views on the topic are as biased as any of the people that you are calling FANS.

 

[KJJ]

Well, he was a better athlete, stronger, bigger, quicker, then was polamalu so I honestly don't know how you can say that he would or would not have been better. I can, however, say that Polamalu would definitely have been worse in Dallas' scheme. I've seen him play coverage and he is nothing special, at all, in that regard.

Polamalu ran a 4.33 40 and benched 405 and was very quick which is why he was the 16th overall pick in a strong first round draft. Woodson wasn't as highly touted as Polamalu which is why he was a second round pick in a draft that wasn't as strong as Polamalu's draft class.

 

[KJJ]

Yeah. You have been responding in this thread like a Troy Polamalu FANboy homer.

Your views on the topic are as biased as any of the people that you are calling FANS.

You try and turn this into anything but a civil discussion and you will be blocked!

 

[KJJ]

If they had played in the same scheme, then I would probably agree with you. However, they did not. You can't compare stats in this situation.

It doesn't matter what scheme they played in they were both put in schemes that fit their ability that's what teams do with players at every position. Woodson played under some different rules defenders weren't having to think as much fearing a penalty for an illegal hit. Polamalu had to deal with several player safety rule changes during his career that have handcuffed defenders. He was still able to fly around and make plays despite the rule changes.

 

[KJJ]

I don't think it would be that hard.

It would be hard because Roethlisberger isn't nearly as popular as Polamalu. Before all the injuries Polamalu was the Steelers best and most respected player. There's many who don't like Roethlisbeger for obvious reasons.

 

[KJJ]

Well, he was a better athlete, stronger, bigger, quicker, then was polamalu so I honestly don't know how you can say that he would or would not have been better. I can, however, say that Polamalu would definitely have been worse in Dallas' scheme. I've seen him play coverage and he is nothing special, at all, in that regard.

Woodson wasn't nearly as instinctive as Polamalu so he wouldn't have been as good in Pittsburgh playing a traditional safety role which is what fit him. Polamalu was one of the most instinctive defenders ever which is why he made so many plays.

 

[dallasdave]

Yeah. You have been responding in this thread like a Troy Polamalu FANboy homer.

Your views on the topic are as biased as any of the people that you are calling FANS.

Well said, this is a Cowboys board, so I think most people would for the Cowboys.

 

[dallasdave]

I'm ready to change this thread into the "I hate the steelers guts " thread !!!! Who's onboard?