Possible idea (based on the CFL) how to improve the kickoff

RustyBourneHorse

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After a couple of weeks, I kinda like the new kickoff rule. I wasn't a fan of it in the preseason, but it's growing on me I suppose. Plus, I'd prefer this to no kickoffs, especially having played kicker and enjoying kicking off. However, I also understand that some may want more returns. So, let's take a look at an interesting rule in the CFL in Canada. I will then expound on it, and, between that and another idea I had as a safety net, can help increase returns.

Rouge or a single rule
Okay, so here's the rule. If a kick of any kind except for a converted field goal or an extra point made or missed (so, a kickoff, missed field goal, or a punt) that goes into the end zone and is not returned awards the kicking team one point (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_(football). There is an exception, but this, along with the rule itself, will be expounded upon in the below explanation. So, it is possible for a CFL game to end 1-0, which happened in 1966 per the link in a game between the Montreal Allouettes and the Ottawa Rough Riders.

Expounded explanation
So, let's say in Canada, a team kicks off, and the ball goes into the end zone. If the returner chooses not to return the kick or if it bounces anywhere but the touch line behind the end zone and bounces through the end zone, the kicking team receives one point. However, if a team kicks the ball through the endzone or if it goes out of the sideline part of the endzone without bouncing, then it's treated like a touchback for the NFL. It is highly unlikely for the ball to go from the kickoff spot to the behind touchline spot to take place in CFL because the fields are larger and wider than the NFL. However, it is more likely that the ball would go out of the sideline part of the endzone. So, below, let's see how this rule could be applied to the NFL. Bear in mind, points are a premium in the NFL, especially with how badly most QBs have been playing around the NFL.

How I think the rule can be applied in the NFL
First of all, I think the rule should only apply to kickoffs. I am not suggesting they do this with punts or missed field goals. The CFL field is larger than an NFL field. Your midfield in the CFL is the 55. The endzone is longer and wider than the NFL. So, this is partly why the punts are included in the CFL rule. In the CFL, you should be able to return the kick given the length and width of a CFL field. I wouldn't expect a returner to always return every punt into the endzone, especially with how fast players are. But, I think the rule can be useful for kickoffs in the NFL.

As for kickoffs, here's what I think the rule should be.

So, here's what I'm thinking. If a kickoff goes through the endzone without touching the ground, then the ball goes to the 33 yard line. I say this because the 30 is only a 5 yard difference from the 25 spot from last year, and the 35 (which the Pat McAfee Show has suggested) is only 5 yards less from the consequence of kicking the ball out of bounds (40). So, with McAfee's suggestion, you may as well kick it out of bounds instead of for a touchback. So, I'm splitting the difference basically down the middle at the 33 yard line (obviously, barring a penalty).

If, however, the ball is playable, like the kickoff that Brandon Aubrey had that landed in the field of play against New Orleans and bounced into the end zone without a return or if the ball is caught in the endzone and is not returned (unless inside 2 minutes), then the kicking team receives one point and the ball is placed at the 30. I say unless 2 minutes because the clock does not start until the returner begins to return the ball. However, in this situation, the ball would go to the 33 yard line (barring a penalty , obviously) so this actually creates an interesting scenario (especially since the league basically neutered the onside kick, but I think a 4th and 18 is a good option for a coach to choose instead of an onside kick, or just allow the ball to travel 10 yards beyond the kickoff line and it becomes a live ball). Also, as with the days prior to 2017, I think the ball in the endzone should be live unless downed by the returner or out of the touchline or sidelines. So, the kicking team can score a touchdown of the returner lets it sit in the endzone.

So, let me give you some examples of how these ideas would work.

Ball through endzone without bouncing
In this scenario, Brandon Aubrey kicks off to an opponent (for the sake of the explanation, let's call that team then Saints). It's the start of the game, and, as expected, Aubrey kicks it out the endzone without the ball bouncing. So, because the ball never bounced, the Saints would begin at the 33 yard line (barring a penalty obviously).

Two scenarios for how a single would apply
So, now for three scenarios where the single or rouge would apply. For both scenarios, let's assume it's the start of the game again and the Cowboys are kicking off to the Saints.

Scenario 1. Aubrey kicks off, and the returner catches it. The returned then chooses not to return it because he doesn't like how the kick coverage looks. Well, because of this, the Cowboys receive one point because the returner had the ball and chose not to return it. So the Cowboys then lead 1-0, and the Saints have the ball at the 30.

Scenario 2. Aubrey kicks off, and the ball bounces in the endzone and bounces out of bounds (because, remember, in my scenario, if it stays in the endzone without being in the returner's hands and properly downed, it's a touchdown if the other team recovers it), then it's a rouge, and it's 1-0 Cowboys.

Scenario 3, as what happened at one point during the game, Aubrey kicks it, it lands within the landing zone (and this one, the NFL may go for) of the dynamic kickoff around the 8 yard line (which happened) and the Saints choose to let it bounce through the endzone. This would also be a rouge, meaning the Cowboys score a point making it 1-0 Cowboys.

Just for fun, what happens if the ball sits in the endzone
Let's assume now, for fun and just to complete the scenarios, that the old rule is still in play. Let's use this classic () but pretend it's the Cowboys kicking off.


Let's say the Cowboys kickoff. It lands at the 8 like scenario 3 above. The Saints, not wanting to return it and thinking it's going to just harmlessly bounce out of the endzone, let it go. It bounces into the endzone. In option one, the Cowboys fall on it and score a touchdown, or it sits on the star in the endzone, and the Cowboys pick it up. It would be a touchdown, meaning the Cowboys now start the game up 7-0 (assuming Aubrey makes the XP). Now all the scenarios are covered lol.

I think this may be a more dynamic way to force more returns. I think it would force more returns. The kicking team has incentives for keeping the ball in play because, if it goes out without bouncing, the other team has it at the 33 or, if they keep it in bounds, they can earn a point. Additionally, it's possible for the kicking team to . Conversely, the returning team would like to return it because they probably would want to avoid starting a game behind 1-0. I think this would make the game more exciting because the kickoffs would now be a possibility for points (even if it's just one point) to be scored or conceded. I think this could make the kickoff more exciting, and it adds another layer of intrigue to the game.
 

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There's still a lot of touchbacks which means no returns

Not if there's an opportunity to score a point. And they'd be losing more field position for a touchback. Plus, like I said, if the returner catches it or it bounces anywhere but out of bounds or out of the endzone and isn't returned, it's either a live ball or a rouge. So, it's basically forcing a return.
 

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I like the current kickoff in place but would make a return mandatory. No touch backs unless the kick goes out of bounds in the end zone.
 

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I like the current kickoff in place but would make a return mandatory. No touch backs unless the kick goes out of bounds in the end zone.

Right, and that's kinda what this does because it puts a point at stake. Cuz, like I said in the OP, if you just put it at the 35, then teams will just kick it off out of bounds and put it at the 40 because it's only 5 yards difference. By putting a point at stake, the returning team has to return it, otherwise, they're conceding a point.
 

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I hate the new kickoff rule. The solution is to go back to the old kickoff rule. For the Cowboys it makes no difference. They seem to get called for holding on every return anyway.

One thing I am seeing about the new rule is once a team gets a lead they tend to just kick it in the end zone for a touchback. I do not see many teams trying to pooch kick inside the 20 yards line.
 

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Is the new rule about player safety? Ok, fine. If that is the concern, then eliminate kickoffs altogether. Whenever team A scores, team B takes possession beginning on their own 20. There you go, problem solved. The new rules seem gimmicky and probably won't last.
 

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Is the new rule about player safety? Ok, fine. If that is the concern, then eliminate kickoffs altogether. Whenever team A scores, team B takes possession beginning on their own 20. There you go, problem solved. The new rules seem gimmicky and probably won't last.

Yeah, I think the NFL talking about player safety when they have TNF is a farce, and I think the kickoff is a good play. I think adding this idea in would keep it from being gimmicky. It forces a return without gimmicks.
 

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I hate the new kickoff rule. The solution is to go back to the old kickoff rule. For the Cowboys it makes no difference. They seem to get called for holding on every return anyway.

One thing I am seeing about the new rule is once a team gets a lead they tend to just kick it in the end zone for a touchback. I do not see many teams trying to pooch kick inside the 20 yards line.

Sure, and the old kickoff rule is fine imo. All I'm saying is, if the league wants to increase rules, then give the kicking team a point if a returnable kickoff is kept in the endzone. or, if it's sitting in the endzone untouched, it should be a live ball. It would force a return on returnable kickoffs. It would incentive the kicking team to keep the kick returnable for the possibility of scoring a point.
 

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I like this too.
I like it as well. But they didn't even do this new kickoff rule correctly. I sometimes think they make rules without thinking them through. Many people anticipated teams would still kick it through the endzone. The penalty for doing so needed to be the 35 or 40. Then we'd see a lot of returns.

Even with the OT rules for the regular season. Just make it 6 points win. You don't have to get cute. There is a difference. If the OT ends and someone is up 3 points, they win.
 

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I like it as well. But they didn't even do this new kickoff rule correctly. I sometimes think they make rules without thinking them through. Many people anticipated teams would still kick it through the endzone. The penalty for doing so needed to be the 35 or 40. Then we'd see a lot of returns.

Even with the OT rules for the regular season. Just make it 6 points win. You don't have to get cute. There is a difference. If the OT ends and someone is up 3 points, they win.
I think what they should do with OT in the regular season is either get rid of it and call it a draw or this. Make it to where the team receiving the kickoff cannot win the game with even a touchdown. If they score, then the other team has a chance to match it. After a certain point, like say, either a 10 minute quarter or unless the other team (and I may make a hypothetical thread exploring this idea further) does not equalise the game (like scoring a TD and getting a game winning 2 points conversion), the game is a draw. That way, it's not up to the toss of a coin.
 

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I especially HATE how you can only attempt an "onside" kick in the 4th quarter, and you have to tell the other team you're doing it!! So dumb!!!

Right, which is why I'm suggesting two other options for the onside. One, as long as the ball exceeds 10 yards from where the rest of the kickoff team is and it's not in the hands of the returner, it's a live ball. So, a kicker could squib kick the ball, it goes just past the 10 yards mark, and the kicking team can recover it. Or, the kicking team can just convert a 4th and 15 (I've heard 4th and 12, but I think 4th and 15 is a better option).
 

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I especially HATE how you can only attempt an "onside" kick in the 4th quarter, and you have to tell the other team you're doing it!! So dumb!!!
I don't know why it has to be the 4th quarter. What is the purpose to that? But you don't have to tell anyone. You're lining up in an entirely different formation. They know it's onsides whether you tell them or not. Just put the kickoff back to the 30. A touchback is the 20. So we get a few more injuries, so what.
 

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I think what they should do with OT in the regular season is either get rid of it and call it a draw or this. Make it to where the team receiving the kickoff cannot win the game with even a touchdown. If they score, then the other team has a chance to match it. After a certain point, like say, either a 10 minute quarter or unless the other team (and I may make a hypothetical thread exploring this idea further) does not equalise the game (like scoring a TD and getting a game winning 2 points conversion), the game is a draw. That way, it's not up to the toss of a coin.
I think a tie should just be a tie. No need to go to OT in regular season. Playoffs are different. Just make it 9 points and you win in OT. If a period ends and one team has the lead, whether they score 9 or not, game over. There's really no fair way to do OT in the NFL.
 

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I don't know why it has to be the 4th quarter. What is the purpose to that? But you don't have to tell anyone. You're lining up in an entirely different formation. They know it's onsides whether you tell them or not. Just put the kickoff back to the 30. A touchback is the 20. So we get a few more injuries, so what.

Yup, and like I said, if it's a returnable kickoff that you don't return, the other team gets a point.
 

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If the idea is more kick returns, albeit safer ones, keeping the rule the same except if the kick lands in the target zone and the receiving team lets it bounce into the end zone and no return the ball gets placed at the two yard line. If the kicking team kicks it past the target zone the ball comes out to the fifty yard line.
 
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