Post draft: Project the starting offensive line

[rwalters31]

One OL man and no DL?? What is wrong with the Cowboy head shop? Maybe that's the problem, they are a head case! Maybe we should not on their head and see if anyone is home!

 

[Risen Star]

I'll be pretty upset if Livings AND Bernadeau are on the roster this year.

I don't see why they wouldn't be now. Sadly, they are the best we've got. Even if Frederick plays G, Bernadeau becomes your best backup at C or G.

 

[hra8700]

Smith livings costa frederick parnell

Hopefully...

 

[TheSport78]

I don't see why they wouldn't be now. Sadly, they are the best we've got. Even if Frederick plays G, Bernadeau becomes your best backup at C or G.

Frederick played mainly LG at Wisconsin I believe, so I wouldn't want to move him to right guard, and start Livings at LG.

I'd rather keep Frederick at LG for his rookie year, roll with Costa one more year at center, and stick with Bernadeau or Leary at right guard. Make Leary and Bernadeau fight it out in training camp. Clabo should be the RT.

 

[xwalker]

LT: Tyron Smith
LG: Ronald Leary
OC: Travis Frederick
RG: Brandon Moore (Jets FA)
RT: Parnell

OT Ryan Harris (Texans FA would compete with Parnell)
OT Weems
Costa
Bernadeau
Arkin

Livings: Cut
Cook: Cut

Alternate if they don't want too many 1st year starters together:

LT: Tyron Smith
LG: Travis Frederick
OC: Phil Costa
RG: Brandon Moore (Jets FA)
RT: Parnell

OT Ryan Harris (Texans FA)
OT Weems
Ronald Leary
Bernadeau
Arkin

Livings: Cut
Cook: Cut

 

[CyberB0b]

Tyron Smith-LT
Nate Livings-LG
Costa-Center
Fredrick-RG
Parnell-RT

 

[Rack]

Tyron Smith-LT
Phil Costa-LG
Fredrick-Center
Berandeau-Rg
Tyson Clabo-RT


That's actually a very, very good offensive line if it works out that way.

Except no way in hell is Costa a guard and our weakest link of the OL last year (Berny) is still there.

 

[Risen Star]

Frederick played mainly LG at Wisconsin I believe, so I wouldn't want to move him to right guard, and start Livings at LG.

I'd rather keep Frederick at LG for his rookie year, roll with Costa one more year at center, and stick with Bernadeau or Leary at right guard. Make Leary and Bernadeau fight it out in training camp. Clabo should be the RT.

My point was even if Frederick plays either G spot, Livings is your other G. He's better than Bernadeau, IMO. But Bernadeau would then become your best option to back up C or G. So I don't see why the Cowboys would release him.

Had we gotten another player in the draft, maybe one of those guys becomes expendable. We didn't.

 

[Rack]

Smith livings costa frederick parnell

Hopefully...

Are you a Skins fan? Why would you hope for this?

 

[Risen Star]

I fear any improvement we see in the OL this year will be like watching Richard Simmons and a 280lb woman bawling their eyes out because she no longer weighs 300lbs.

 

[Rack]

I fear any improvement we see in the OL this year will be like watching Richard Simmons and a 280lb woman bawling their eyes out because she no longer weighs 300lbs.

Ah... I wouldn't know what that looks like.

 

[TheSport78]

My point was even if Frederick plays either G spot, Livings is your other G. He's better than Bernadeau, IMO. But Bernadeau would then become your best option to back up C or G. So I don't see why the Cowboys would release him.

Had we gotten another player in the draft, maybe one of those guys becomes expendable. We didn't.

Maybe, but I believe there's a reason why they re-structured Bernadeau's contract and not Livings.

Could be that Bernadeau is younger, has more upside, can play guard and center, and may be a better fit in Callahan's scheme over Livings. Just my two cents.

 

[Rack]

Maybe, but I believe there's a reason why they re-structured Bernadeau's contract and not Livings.

Could be that Bernadeau is younger, has more upside, can play guard and center, and may be a better fit in Callahan's scheme over Livings. Just my two cents.

OK people need to stop with the "Better fit in Callahan's scheme" bit. If that were an issue, Frederick wouldn't be on the team.

 

[Zordon]

3 names I was hoping to never hear again: livings, bernadeau, free.

I wouldn't be surprised if all three are back.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

I don't see Berneadeau starting here next year....

I hope not guy almost got romo killed on several occasions he is terrible .

 

[Chuck 54]

I still believe everybody is coming back healthy and the O-line will look better than most think, especially the free agent veteran guards (Livings & Bernadeau) that we just got last year. Nobody is talking about all the injuries we had on the o-line, mind boggling to me....

O-line Starters:

Tyron Smith-LT
Nate Livings-LG
Fredrick-Center
Bernadeau-RG
Free Agent-RT

Current Backups: Costa, Kowalski, Leary, Parnell, Cook, Dockery, Free, Weems, Arkin

Guys getting cut: Free, Cook, Weems, Arkin, Costa

Guys getting cut Option 2: Kowalski, Leary, Dockery, Arkin, Parnell

Bingo!

 

[TheSport78]

OK people need to stop with the "Better fit in Callahan's scheme" bit. If that were an issue, Frederick wouldn't be on the team.

The center position is different, man. You can hide the athletic deficiencies of a center, but with guards having to pull and get out in space, it's a different story.

You watched the games last year. LIVINGS CAN'T PULL. He belongs in Pittsburgh or something.

 

[Rack]

The center position is different, man. You can hide the athletic deficiencies of a center, but with guards having to pull and get out in space, it's a different story.

You watched the games last year. LIVINGS CAN'T PULL. He belongs in Pittsburgh or something.

It is NOT different in a zone blocking Scheme. If we were a predominantly sweep/trapping team I'd agree with you. But in a ZBS ALL 5 OL (and TE's) are blocking an area, not a man. Hell, a ZBS is better/easier for LESS athletic lineman in that they don't have to navigate through the "Trash" to get to the second level like they do in a man scheme. They just go to their zone and if someone is in it, they block that person. IF someone is NOT in it, they go to the second level (that's a very simplified explanation but you understand what I'm getting at).

Now... ANY scheme an benefit from an athletic/quick G or C, but a ZBS doesn't "Require" the OL to be athletic/quick.

 

[RastaRocket]

What's the deal with Leary's knee? Is that still a concern?

 

[TheSport78]

It is NOT different in a zone blocking Scheme. If we were a predominantly sweep/trapping team I'd agree with you. But in a ZBS ALL 5 OL (and TE's) are blocking an area, not a man. Hell, a ZBS is better/easier for LESS athletic lineman in that they don't have to navigate through the "Trash" to get to the second level like they do in a man scheme. They just go to their zone and if someone is in it, they block that person. IF someone is NOT in it, they go to the second level (that's a very simplified explanation but you understand what I'm getting at).

Now... ANY scheme an benefit from an athletic/quick G or C, but a ZBS doesn't "Require" the OL to be athletic/quick.

I understand what you're saying, but Livings is not getting any better as a player. He's peaked, so to speak. At least Bernadeau is younger and seems to be more mobile and isn't as inconsistent as Livings.

We also have to consider the stamina and endurance of the players. It was clear that by the end of the year, Livings had regressed and Bernadeau seemed to have improve a LITTLE bit. I think that can carry over into 2013.

Frederick may have issues getting to the second level, but he's a kid. He has the work ethic to get better and improve. Livings is a veteran who won't be getting any better. I hope we cut bait with the guy.

At least Leary can push Bernadeau at one of the guard spots. If Livings is on the roster, he's starting no matter what because he can't play any other positions on the OL.