Potential Doomsday Defense II?

[Apollo Creed]

We keep focusing on our offensive line issues, and keep speaking of these 'glaring' holes we need to fix. Except we've forgotten exactly how young and potentially dominant our defense is.

We've got a solid group of rookies in Canty (steal), Ware(budding Pro-bowler), Spears(potential stud), Burnett(nothing but upside), Beriault(see Burnett), Ratliff(BP seemed to like him), Stud OLB via draft(potential rookie stud opposite Ware), and a Definite Upgrade at FS via free agency or the draft.

Along with our somewhat experienced players who are on the verge of being at the prime of their career. Williams(can really be explosive w/ decent FS)Newman(shut-down corner, best in the NFC in 06), Henry(played like a pro bowler till the injury), James (fresh off a breakout season)

These guys along with the veteran leadership of Ellis (sack leader for years), Ferguson (when healthy can really stop the run), Glenn (best 3rd/nickel corner in the league)

If we make a few more moves in free agency or the draft and get a stud OLB and a decent FS we can easily have the best defense in the NFL. Our rookies have nowhere to go but up, and our playmakers like Newman and Williams can really thrive if surrounded by solid roleplayers.

In conclusion, we need to quit worrying so much and realize exactly how dangerous our defense can be. Especially after another year in the 3-4 and another year of experience for our young players.

 

[Eddie]

Aren't we up to Doomsday IV???

Doomsday I - late 60's and early 70's, headed by Bob Lilly

Doomsday II - late 70's, headed by Randy White, Ed Jones, Harvey Martin

Doomsday III - early 90's, headed by Charles Haley


The Doomsday title is only offered to suffocating D's on Super Bowl teams.

We're not even close to Doomsday IV.

 

[austintodallas]

Aren't we up to Doomsday IV???

Doomsday I - late 60's and early 70's, headed by Bob Lilly

Doomsday II - late 70's, headed by Randy White, Ed Jones, Harvey Martin

Doomsday III - early 90's, headed by Charles Haley


The Doomsday title is only offered to suffocating D's on Super Bowl teams.

We're not even close to Doomsday IV.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

:laugh1: :laugh2:

 

[burmafrd]

I really would not put the 90's on par with the early 70's and late 70's D. They were very good but they were not the killing machines the old Doomsday was. Actually, Doomsday 1 and 2 were the best D's in the league; the 90's Dallas D was top 5 but that is all.

 

[bobtheflob]

I really would not put the 90's on par with the early 70's and late 70's D. They were very good but they were not the killing machines the old Doomsday was. Actually, Doomsday 1 and 2 were the best D's in the league; the 90's Dallas D was top 5 but that is all.

The 1992 team was ranked number 1 in total defense.

edit: and the 1994 team as well

 

[Apollo Creed]

I sincerely apologize for optimism, I'll go back to an anti-Henson or random TO thread.

 

[BrassCowboy]

The 1992 team was ranked number 1 in total defense.

edit: and the 1994 team as well

just because you hold the "top" defense for that year or two, does not mean you have a 'Doomsday' defense...

What was the philosophy of offenses in the 90's compared to 60's and 70's?

I mean if all the nfl teams were getting blown away by opponents offenses due to overzealous commissioner who wants to make rules that stifle what an defense can do so that more tds are scored hence more fans going 'ooooh' and 'ahhh', how do you judge the true strength of thaqt defense?

yes '92 and '94 defense was good, but I am afraid the new NFL does not play kind to REAL defenses. It only wants to see an offense easily go up and down the field. if it doesn't, well then they need to make some more rules then until defenses nothing more than fodder just so the offense can get some rest.

just to name a few rules:
1. CB can barely look at a wr without getting flagged anymore.
2. QB's might as well wear dresses. soon they are gonna put them behind a steel wall at this rate.
3. if an off. player has the ball, don't try to stop them from behind, you better be fast enough to get in front of them otherwise let them go, that is what the NFL wants anyways.
4. if a cowboy player is involved, it has to be illegal.
see the helmet off after td rule (Emmitt rule), horsecollar rule (RW rule), excessive td celebration rule (TO rule, hey the Cowboys got him now so God forbid anyone see a guy wearing the star celebrate), oh and the Kevin Smith PI calls everytime deal (not a rule, but officials singled him out), and much much more - just cannot remember all of them.

 

[hmcorp]

I wouldnt call the dallas d of the early 90s the doomsday defense but they certainly were opportunistic. They fed off the offenses success. Our team doesnt always do that.

Kansas city and denver are good examples. Every time dallas o makes some plays and pulls ahead. the dallas d gives in and lets the other team score.


THe cowboys defense let the opposing team score a little too often. and the dallas o didnt always control the ball AS well as they could have. Partly because of such a poor kicking game. We hit half the field goals we missed and we probably go 11-5 and everyone talks about how awesome our offense was last year etc.

Seriously so much of our year hinged upon our kicker missing kicks.

 

[Justis]

just because you hold the "top" defense for that year or two, does not mean you have a 'Doomsday' defense...

What was the philosophy of offenses in the 90's compared to 60's and 70's?

I mean if all the nfl teams were getting blown away by opponents offenses due to overzealous commissioner who wants to make rules that stifle what an defense can do so that more tds are scored hence more fans going 'ooooh' and 'ahhh', how do you judge the true strength of thaqt defense?

yes '92 and '94 defense was good, but I am afraid the new NFL does not play kind to REAL defenses. It only wants to see an offense easily go up and down the field. if it doesn't, well then they need to make some more rules then until defenses nothing more than fodder just so the offense can get some rest.

just to name a few rules:
1. CB can barely look at a wr without getting flagged anymore.
2. QB's might as well wear dresses. soon they are gonna put them behind a steel wall at this rate.
3. if an off. player has the ball, don't try to stop them from behind, you better be fast enough to get in front of them otherwise let them go, that is what the NFL wants anyways.
4. if a cowboy player is involved, it has to be illegal.
see the helmet off after td rule (Emmitt rule), horsecollar rule (RW rule), excessive td celebration rule (TO rule, hey the Cowboys got him now so God forbid anyone see a guy wearing the star celebrate), oh and the Kevin Smith PI calls everytime deal (not a rule, but officials singled him out), and much much more - just cannot remember all of them.

:jerk:I'm not sure how the horsecollar thing will play out. But the rest of this is clearly sour grapes. Last time I checked when QBs weren't "wearing dresses" they were being constantly knocked out of games. If they had made rules like that earlier, maybe Aikman wouldn't have had his career end 5 years to early. And last I checked our Cornerbacks managed to pretty easily control WRs without being flagged often.

 

[burmafrd]

So QB's get knocked out of games? This is FOOTBALL, not FLAG FOOTBALL.
Most of the new rules are a joke. THere was PLENTY of scoring before these new rules of the last 10 years.

 

[Silverstar]

I sincerely apologize for optimism, I'll go back to an anti-Henson or random TO thread.

Nothing wrong with having optimism for your team.

It's the homerism that must be kept in check.




"Hey bartender, I'll take a double doomsday and keep em' coming."

:drunk:

 

[Apollo Creed]

When in the last ten years have we had that much young talent on that side of the ball? I could easily see Ware, Spears, Canty, Newman, maybe even Bradie James being in the pro bowl at one point in their career with Dallas.

 

[Eddie]

When in the last ten years have we had that much young talent on that side of the ball? I could easily see Ware, Spears, Canty, Newman, maybe even Bradie James being in the pro bowl at one point in their career with Dallas.

Agreed, we have the makings of a good young D. Then again, we had the #1 D in the NFL just two years ago. That's doesn't necessarily make us a Doomsday.

In order for us to get the Doomsday title, we must have a top tier D over an extended period of time and win at least one Super Bowl.

 

[DCBoysfan]

We keep focusing on our offensive line issues, and keep speaking of these 'glaring' holes we need to fix. Except we've forgotten exactly how young and potentially dominant our defense is.

We've got a solid group of rookies in Canty (steal), Ware(budding Pro-bowler), Spears(potential stud), Burnett(nothing but upside), Beriault(see Burnett), Ratliff(BP seemed to like him), Stud OLB via draft(potential rookie stud opposite Ware), and a Definite Upgrade at FS via free agency or the draft.

Along with our somewhat experienced players who are on the verge of being at the prime of their career. Williams(can really be explosive w/ decent FS)Newman(shut-down corner, best in the NFC in 06), Henry(played like a pro bowler till the injury), James (fresh off a breakout season)

These guys along with the veteran leadership of Ellis (sack leader for years), Ferguson (when healthy can really stop the run), Glenn (best 3rd/nickel corner in the league)

If we make a few more moves in free agency or the draft and get a stud OLB and a decent FS we can easily have the best defense in the NFL. Our rookies have nowhere to go but up, and our playmakers like Newman and Williams can really thrive if surrounded by solid roleplayers.

In conclusion, we need to quit worrying so much and realize exactly how dangerous our defense can be. Especially after another year in the 3-4 and another year of experience for our young players.

This defense needs to do a better job of stopping the run before we declare it the Doomsday Defense of yesteryear. But I like the potential.

 

[Chuck 54]

We keep focusing on our offensive line issues, and keep speaking of these 'glaring' holes we need to fix. Except we've forgotten exactly how young and potentially dominant our defense is.

We've got a solid group of rookies in Canty (steal), Ware(budding Pro-bowler), Spears(potential stud), Burnett(nothing but upside), Beriault(see Burnett), Ratliff(BP seemed to like him), Stud OLB via draft(potential rookie stud opposite Ware), and a Definite Upgrade at FS via free agency or the draft.

Along with our somewhat experienced players who are on the verge of being at the prime of their career. Williams(can really be explosive w/ decent FS)Newman(shut-down corner, best in the NFC in 06), Henry(played like a pro bowler till the injury), James (fresh off a breakout season)

These guys along with the veteran leadership of Ellis (sack leader for years), Ferguson (when healthy can really stop the run), Glenn (best 3rd/nickel corner in the league)

If we make a few more moves in free agency or the draft and get a stud OLB and a decent FS we can easily have the best defense in the NFL. Our rookies have nowhere to go but up, and our playmakers like Newman and Williams can really thrive if surrounded by solid roleplayers.

In conclusion, we need to quit worrying so much and realize exactly how dangerous our defense can be. Especially after another year in the 3-4 and another year of experience for our young players.

I like the direction of our defense, but it's not even close to being Doomsday. CAnty and Spears are nice players, but no way either of them matches up to Bob Lilly, Randy White, TooTall or Martin....no way. LeeRoy Jordan and Chuck Howley are certainly better than Demarcus Ware and James....and while T-New is on the rise, he's got miles to go before he can wear the jock of Mel Renfro.

We're putting together a good defense, but Doomsday?...I don't think so.

 

[austintodallas]

I like the direction of our defense, but it's not even close to being Doomsday. CAnty and Spears are nice players, but no way either of them matches up to Bob Lilly, Randy White, TooTall or Martin....no way. LeeRoy Jordan and Chuck Howley are certainly better than Demarcus Ware and James....and while T-New is on the rise, he's got miles to go before he can wear the jock of Mel Renfro.

We're putting together a good defense, but Doomsday?...I don't think so.

We're talking about 2nd, 3rd, and 4th year players here. Give them a little time and they very well may develop into the next Whites, Martins, and Jordans.

I agree with the original poster. We're well on our way to an elite "Doomsday" reminiscent defense.

 

[Doomsday101]

Depending on how our young players from last season progress it is hard to say what they can or can't do as a defensive unit. I do think this unit can become a top 5 defense which means more to me than a nickname. Also what helped to make the Doomsday Defense was the fact these guys played with each other through out their careers I doubt we will ever see such a tight nit group as we had in this day of FA. Today guys are coming and going on a yearly basis and will not have the same closeness as they did back then.

 

[Draegerman]

For the record, the next nickname of "Doomsday" will be officially our third installment. And this may very well happen sooner rather than later based on the current talent that's presently on this team.

With that said, I would like to point out that it was yours truly who coined the name, "Doomsday Cubed" for when that glorious day is due to arrive again. For those that can appreciate the trilogy concept, might also look fondly on this name suggestion rather than the boring and often too predictable "Doomsday III".

My home spun grass roots campaign to get them called "Doomsday Cubed" started for me about four years ago when I added it to my tagline on the DMN message board and wrote a post about it. The idea was met with mixed results and really never took off the ground due to the overall ineptness of the Cowboys - season after season.

Hopefully, this year (or possibly the next) proves to be the one where the excellent play of our defense catapults the Cowboys back to greatness and the demand is widespread that they be given a nickname similiar to "Doomsday Defense" and "Doomsday II". Nicknames that were richly deserved.

Anyway, that's my suggestion but I'm certainly not married to the idea. If others here have a better one, I could easily forego mine and jump on another member's bandwagon to help promote it.