Potential War Daddy - Malik McDowell | DL | Michigan St. | 6'6" 275lbs

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This kid can line up anywhere along the DL, but his best days are probably ahead of him at 4-3 DE. Give Marinelli a piece of clay like this and we may finally have the dominant pass rusher we've been missing since Ware.
 

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He seems like a 3-4 DE or a 4-3 DT or SDE.

Not exactly the war daddy I'd hope we get.
 

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This kid can line up anywhere along the DL, but his best days are probably ahead of him at 4-3 DE. Give Marinelli a piece of clay like this and we may finally have the dominant pass rusher we've been missing since Ware.


Don't watch highlight videos of players when full game footage is available. It's easy to love players in highlight videos. There are about 9 videos of him at draftbreakdown.

Having said the above, he is a very talent player, but he does have some question marks.

His size is marginal at DT. He would be great as a situational pass rushing DT, but I think he'll take a beating playing there full time in the NFL. He had some success rushing on the outside, his quickness as a 4-3 DE is probably average at best. Some players like him succeed on the outside with length even without elite outside pass rusher quickness, but more of his success comes on inside type moves that would be best suited at DT.

In game footage, he made a good number of splash plays but also ended up on the ground too much and totally lost contain on a number of running plays. They allowed him to rush with reckless abandon which helped him make splash plays but it also made him susceptible to getting blown up, shoved down or being out of position against the run.

His stock will be elevated because 3-4 teams with probably like him, many more than 4-3 teams.
 

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Nice video.

I'm big on guy's having a motor, but at 28 you're going to have a guy with warts. I'd take Malik McDowell all day over a guy like Charles Harris because Malik projects as a starter somewhere on the line. I don't see that with Harris, at least as a 43 DE.
 

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I think he might be a tiny bit quicker than Irving, but Irving has better balance, bend and power. Yes, I saw McDowell overpower an off-balance OL a couple of times. but Irving is incredibly strong relative to his weight.
Yea i keep hearing about McDowell quickness. looking at our defensive roster, how difficult would it be to switch back to a 3-4 base defense? We pretty much need an entire makeover on our defense.
 

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Yea i keep hearing about McDowell quickness. looking at our defensive roster, how difficult would it be to switch back to a 3-4 base defense? We pretty much need an entire makeover on our defense.
Please don't start with that.

Changing defensive styles just sets teams back. The Cowboys need to focus on winning in 2017, not on learning a new defense.

McDowell would be fine in the 4-3. My comment was that players that fit both schemes tend to get drafted earlier than players that are not good fits in 1 type of defense.

Kawann Short at 6'2-1/2", 299 (when drafted) is a gap penetrating squatty body type 4-3 DT. A lot of 3-4 teams tend to put less value on that type of player as compared to taller college DTs. Short is not the best example but it's a name that came to mind. Warren Sapp was all Pro in the 4-3 and struggled in the 3-4.

Aaron Donald was likely highly regarded by all 4-3 teams but likely would not have been drafted nearly as early by a 3-4 team.
 

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Please don't start with that.

Changing defensive styles just sets teams back. The Cowboys need to focus on winning in 2017, not on learning a new defense.

McDowell would be fine in the 4-3. My comment was that players that fit both schemes tend to get drafted earlier than players that are not good fits in 1 type of defense.

Kawann Short at 6'2-1/2", 299 (when drafted) is a gap penetrating squatty body type 4-3 DT. A lot of 3-4 teams tend to put less value on that type of player as compared to taller college DTs. Short is not the best example but it's a name that came to mind. Warren Sapp was all Pro in the 4-3 and struggled in the 3-4.

Aaron Donald was likely highly regarded by all 4-3 teams but likely would not have been drafted nearly as early by a 3-4 team.
Yea i had a feeling. Just seems like their are more 3-4 OLB coming out of college now a days then 4-3 DE and that 4-3 DE's get scooped up quickly in drafts.
 

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Yea i had a feeling. Just seems like their are more 3-4 OLB coming out of college now a days then 4-3 DE and that 4-3 DE's get scooped up quickly in drafts.

Would only consider going back to 3-4 if Wade was DC. Only guy who can can change systems in offseason and end up with a top 10 D.

Other than that, stick with 4-3. Although just for the heck of it, switching wouldn't be as painful as many might assume.

WOLBS (if Jaylon can't play) and a NT are the biggest obstacles. Tons of 3-4 DEs on the roster: Crawford brothers, Irving, Thornton, McClain, etc.

Mayowa, DLAW, Wilber and Davis can probably play strong side OLB.
 

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Would only consider going back to 3-4 if Wade was DC. Only guy who can can change systems in offseason and end up with a top 10 D.

Other than that, stick with 4-3. Although just for the heck of it, switching wouldn't be as painful as many might assume.

WOLBS (if Jaylon can't play) and a NT are the biggest obstacles. Tons of 3-4 DEs on the roster: Crawford brothers, Irving, Thornton, McClain, etc.

Mayowa, DLAW, Wilber and Davis can probably play strong side OLB.
Wade was actually the DC i was thinking of when i asked that question. And yea our front 7 looks like it is put together for 3-4 just as much as a 4-3. But we had success with the lacking of talent Defense we put on the field this year. Heres to hoping Collins and Irving take the next step and Tapper can stay injury free.
 
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Yea i had a feeling. Just seems like their are more 3-4 OLB coming out of college now a days then 4-3 DE and that 4-3 DE's get scooped up quickly in drafts.

Parcells sold Jerry on that idea and it turned out to be false. It is just as difficult to get quality OLB in a 3-4 as quality DEs in a 4-3.

In the 3-4 defenses that the Cowboys used (Parcells, Wade, Rob Ryan) it was not that easy to find OLBs. They used Wade's the longest so I'll reference that one.

In Wade's 3-4, the Strong Side OLB was a very complicated position. That player has to play the run, rush the passer and play coverage. The WOLB has to do those things also, but that side gets to focus more on pass rush and less on run defense and coverage. Anthony Spencer was good at all 3, but they couldn't find anybody else to do it. That's why they franchised Spencer twice despite the fact that he was not an elite pass rusher. That position has to quickly determine if he is going to rush, play run contain or drop into coverage. This all has to be done after the snap. This player often has the RB in coverage.

They tried guys other guys at that position and some did OK rushing the passer, but they would make a lot of mistakes trying to figure out when to do what.

The idea was that physically, pass rushers that are not big enough to play 4-3 DE could play 3-4 OLB; however, that meant that you needed a 3-tool player (pass rush, run defense, coverage). Not many players could do all 3.

In Marinelli's defense, the RDE lines up in a similar spot (7-tech) to where a 3-4 OLB would line up, whereas, the LDE lines up in a spot (5-tech) similar to a 3-4 DE.

At RDE, now you have a situation where you can look at smallish but very quick DEs but they don't have to mentally or physically be able to play coverage.

At LDE you can look at college players that have classic DE size, but don't have the elite speed/quickness that would make them early 1st round draft picks.

Just look at the often used starting lineup in 2016.
RDE: Mayowa 6-3, 240 (listed weight). They wanted it to be Randy Gregory (6-5, 235 at draft time).

LDE: Tyrone Crawford 6-4, 285.

As you can see, Mayowa/Gregory don't have the bulk of a classic 4-3 DE and Tyrone Crawford does not have the speed/quickness of classic 4-3 DE.

When I say classic size/speed for a 4-3 DE, I'm talking about somebody like JPP (6-5, 270) who is bigger than Mayowa/Gregory but faster/quicker than Tyrone Crawford.

They Cowboys still have not found that RDE, but they really have not put a lot of resources into it either.
Gregory: (2nd round) Highest pick used on a true RDE.
Mayowa: Cut rate free agent acquisition. He got 8M for 3 years instead of 16M for 1 year like the top pass rushers.
Lawrence: (2nd round) Not really drafted to be a true RDE. I think they ideally wanted him to play LDE but thought he could play RDE if they didn't have a better option.
Hardy: Pay per game free agent, ended up costing about 8M. He was classic 4-3 DE but obviously had character issues.
Jack Crawford: Low cost free agent.
Davis: Low cost free agent.
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Kid is talented and would probably be a high risk talent at 28. Rod may be able to motivate him
 

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This kid can line up anywhere along the DL, but his best days are probably ahead of him at 4-3 DE. Give Marinelli a piece of clay like this and we may finally have the dominant pass rusher we've been missing since Ware.



This is the guy I want dallas to draft. People say highlight videos always make players look great. I completely disagree. I've stopped watching highlight videos on many players after the first minute. You know when you see explosion, power and tenacity. And when you dont. This guy reminds me of Leon Lett. Seems like he is the first out of his stance and penetrating before oline man can even react. And stop with the size thing. He can add size.

I like him or Reuben Foster. Go watch highlight film of Reuben Foster, Sean Lee, and Jaylon Smith and imagine them on the same team together. You WILL get goisebumps.
 

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Based on how awful his surrounding talent on the d-line was and the fact they had him playing the 1-tech at times, I don't know if he was really lazy or just tired after certain stretches of plays.
 
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