PPF: Best interior defensive linemen avail in 2021 draft AND free agency

[Future]

With Williams and eventually Lawrence I don’t think the Giants are going to spend to keep Tomlinson. If he hits the market, a team with the worst run defense in the league can justify paying the player. This isn’t a cap issue. This is an owner and his son who think they can get away with throwing crumbs at a bunch of has been players. It doesn’t work for this organization.

No, it's a cap issue.

You can't invest big money in players who make marginal differences.

 

[Malhavoc]

No, it's a cap issue.

You can't invest big money in players who make marginal differences.

I don’t know that paying a DT who specializes in defending the run would be considered a big money contract. Personally I’m more comfortable giving a guy like Tomlinson market value rather than paying the Jaylon Smiths and the Amari Coopers of the world.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Guys, Stephen Jones has consistently been against spending too much, if anything on 1 tech. Now Quinn may change his mind but he's never had much regard for the big massive DT/NT. Here's an article that's a bit old but still quotes his thoughts on the position.

https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/nfl/dallas-cowboys/article202426344.html

 

[RS12]

Marcellus wiley always jokes about how he stole from Jerry. Jerry gets what he pays for

He isn't joking.

 

[visionary]

I don’t know that paying a DT who specializes in defending the run would be considered a big money contract. Personally I’m more comfortable giving a guy like Tomlinson market value rather than paying the Jaylon Smiths and the Amari Coopers of the world.

totally agree
I’m on board with Tomlinson
1T DT is pivotal to the defense
Many on this board don’t understand

 

[Cowboyny]

Guys, Stephen Jones has consistently been against spending too much, if anything on 1 tech. Now Quinn may change his mind but he's never had much regard for the big massive DT/NT. Here's an article that's a bit old but still quotes his thoughts on the position.

https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/nfl/dallas-cowboys/article202426344.html

This has to change if they truly want to improve the defense. The same can be said about the safety position.

 

[Cowboyny]

I don’t know that paying a DT who specializes in defending the run would be considered a big money contract. Personally I’m more comfortable giving a guy like Tomlinson market value rather than paying the Jaylon Smiths and the Amari Coopers of the world.

The contract level is higher then what you think, Reader was the best on the market last year and got over 13 million a season.

Agree, about Jaylon, but Cooper is a legit player. Even with multiple quarterbacks this yr, he still had a good season. Prior to him being here, the Cowboys passing offense wasn't great and it was more of a run first/play action team.

 

[Malhavoc]

The contract level is higher then what you think, Reader was the best on the market last year and got over 13 million a season.

Agree, about Jaylon, but Cooper is a legit player. Even with multiple quarterbacks this yr, he still had a good season. Prior to him being here, the Cowboys passing offense wasn't great and it was more of a run first/play action team.

I would argue that spending 13 mil to stabilize the biggest weakness on your team is worth it. Especially when you won’t use the draft to get that kind of player. Cooper is a good player but his contact is ridiculous. He’s very replaceable. That contract was given because Jerry had to justify giving up a 1st round pick for the player and they didn’t want him going to Washington.

 

[Future]

I don’t know that paying a DT who specializes in defending the run would be considered a big money contract. Personally I’m more comfortable giving a guy like Tomlinson market value rather than paying the Jaylon Smiths and the Amari Coopers of the world.

DJ Reader got $15m a year last year. Don't compare Jaylon to Amari lol

 

[Cowboyny]

I would argue that spending 13 mil to stabilize the biggest weakness on your team is worth it. Especially when you won’t use the draft to get that kind of player. Cooper is a good player but his contact is ridiculous. He’s very replaceable. That contract was given because Jerry had to justify giving up a 1st round pick for the player and they didn’t want him going to Washington.

I think you are undervaluing Cooper's worth. He is a legitimate #1 WR in this league and the team's passing offense would greatly suffer without him. Yes, big contract, but that what #1 WR's get in the market.

 

[Malhavoc]

I think you are undervaluing Cooper's worth. He is a legitimate #1 WR in this league and the team's passing offense would greatly suffer without him. Yes, big contract, but that what #1 WR's get in the market.

I don’t see it. Good player yes. But I don’t see a player worth 20 million per year. At this point there are other reason for this offense to struggle. I view him as a very replaceable player.

 

[SFloridaCowboy]

DT1, DT3. 1-technique, 3-technique, lots of verbiage. All I know the Cowboys won five Super Bowls with Jethro Pugh with Bob Lilly; Randy White with Jethro Pugh; Russel Maryland and Tony Casillas twice and Leon Lett with Chad Hennings.

It was simple, LDT and RDT. Your RDT tended to be the better of the two as a pass rusher, but the LDT was not soley a run stuffer by any means.

I want two kick-***, hell-raiisng DT's who tackle behind the line of scrimmage, who push the pocket into the QB, block some passes and also get 6-10 sacks each; guys who make the speed rushers' life much easier. They must hold and control the point of attack instead of being pushed away as I saw the last few years.

I have not seen very good defensive tackle play since Jason Hatcher's last years with the Boys. Jimmy Johnson added Tony Casillas, Russel Maryland, and Leon Lett in 91, Charles Haley in trade and Chad Hennings out of teh Air Force in 1992. teh teams was ready for 5-6 Super Bowls. No effort has been made to build the DT position by drafting sure fire players. T Hill was a 5th rounder. Gallimore may become good. We need stars.

Perhaps Balmore and Nixon can be ones. I would trade down to #15 and get a 2nd and then trade back into the first and get one of these two DT's. Or alternatively, draft two DT's in 2nd round after the aforemtioned trade, then draft a safety and CB in the 3rd round. Both 4th's on OT's.

Jimmy Johnson's 1992 team had deep DL. You had Tolbert and Haley at ends, Casillas and Maryland at DT's. But there were Jim Jeffocoat,plus thre eyoung, hungry and talented guys, Chad Hennings, Leon Lett and Jimmy Jones, spelling them with huge talent and eneregy. Would anyone other than DLAW from the 2020 team beat out these 1992 backups? I doubt it.

 

[Cowboyny]

I don’t see it. Good player yes. But I don’t see a player worth 20 million per year. At this point there are other reason for this offense to struggle. I view him as a very replaceable player.

We disagree. Cooper is just 26 and has had over 1,000 yards a season since he arrived. He is Dak's go to receiver when they need a big conversion.

 

[Hardline]

DT1, DT3. 1-technique, 3-technique, lots of verbiage. All I know the Cowboys won five Super Bowls with Jethro Pugh with Bob Lilly; Randy White with Jethro Pugh; Russel Maryland and Tony Casillas twice and Leon Lett with Chad Hennings.

It was simple, LDT and RDT. Your RDT tended to be the better of the two as a pass rusher, but the LDT was not soley a run stuffer by any means.

I want two kick-***, hell-raiisng DT's who tackle behind the line of scrimmage, who push the pocket into the QB, block some passes and also get 6-10 sacks each; guys who make the speed rushers' life much easier. They must hold and control the point of attack instead of being pushed away as I saw the last few years.

I have not seen very good defensive tackle play since Jason Hatcher's last years with the Boys. Jimmy Johnson added Tony Casillas, Russel Maryland, and Leon Lett in 91, Charles Haley in trade and Chad Hennings out of teh Air Force in 1992. teh teams was ready for 5-6 Super Bowls. No effort has been made to build the DT position by drafting sure fire players. T Hill was a 5th rounder. Gallimore may become good. We need stars.

Perhaps Balmore and Nixon can be ones. I would trade down to #15 and get a 2nd and then trade back into the first and get one of these two DT's. Or alternatively, draft two DT's in 2nd round after the aforemtioned trade, then draft a safety and CB in the 3rd round. Both 4th's on OT's.

Jimmy Johnson's 1992 team had deep DL. You had Tolbert and Haley at ends, Casillas and Maryland at DT's. But there were Jim Jeffocoat,plus thre eyoung, hungry and talented guys, Chad Hennings, Leon Lett and Jimmy Jones, spelling them with huge talent and eneregy. Would anyone other than DLAW from the 2020 team beat out these 1992 backups? I doubt it.

Cant stockpile DTs and tie up a lot of money at that position anymore. Too much of a salary cap hit.
I would love to be 3 deep at the DT position but ain't going to happen.

 

[cnuball21]

I don’t see it. Good player yes. But I don’t see a player worth 20 million per year. At this point there are other reason for this offense to struggle. I view him as a very replaceable player.

Just a good player? Dude has over 6K yards and he's only 26. He's a legit WR1.

 

[Malhavoc]

Just a good player? Dude has over 6K yards and he's only 26. He's a legit WR1.

Agree to disagree. I don’t see him as a top wideout in the league. Certainly not worth the 20 mil per year that we paying.