PPG Before/After Cooper Trade

[DasSchnitzel]

I bumped an old thread to bring up this info but I broke the rules in doing so. I apologize. The info is interesting though so im posting it here, this time without calling out other posters. Again, my bad.

PPG before/after Cooper trade:

20/22.1 (+2.1)

At time of trade, prevailing wisdom was that 20ppg was unfairly high due to the Jacksonville outlier. I'd argue Indy was an outlier as well since we haven't been shutout since '03. PPG before/after Cooper trade, ignoring Jacksonville and Indy games:

16.7/24.9 (+8.2)

It's quite the dramatic impact, and led to an NFC East title. For me, this trade needed a division title to be worth it, as it was a high-resource mid-season trade. I have no complaints about the trade at this time, for sure.

 

[lkelly]

So you throw out games that don't help fit the narrative? I'm pretty sure that Cooper played in the Indy shutout. I'm pretty sure he didn't play in the Jacksonville game prior to the trade. The guy helped (really made a difference in a handful of games and was somewhat of a no-show in several others) but trying to claim a 8.2 point difference is ludicrous. If you want to tweak your stats, back out the defensive score in the Bucs game.

 

[DasSchnitzel]

So you throw out games that don't help fit the narrative? I'm pretty sure that Cooper played in the Indy shutout. I'm pretty sure he didn't play in the Jacksonville game prior to the trade. The guy helped (really made a difference in a handful of games and was somewhat of a no-show in several others) but trying to claim a 8.2 point difference is ludicrous. If you want to tweak your stats, back out the defensive score in the Bucs game.

I just threw both the stats up there because I thought it was interesting. Backing out the defensive score as well as Indy moves the average down to 24 from 24.9, if you're curious. Just backing out the defensive score alone is 21.3.

Either way, a +2 differential straight across the board is still pretty good.

 

[DasSchnitzel]

So you throw out games that don't help fit the narrative? I'm pretty sure that Cooper played in the Indy shutout. I'm pretty sure he didn't play in the Jacksonville game prior to the trade. The guy helped (really made a difference in a handful of games and was somewhat of a no-show in several others) but trying to claim a 8.2 point difference is ludicrous. If you want to tweak your stats, back out the defensive score in the Bucs game.

To be frank I don't like throwing out the game either because when you look at league rankings, you would have to throw out everyone's outliers for it to be fair.

But at the time a lot of people asked for the number without the Jacksonville game included because it was pushing the average up so much, over 3 points.

So I've given the normal stat and the one that was asked for last time.

 

[sureletsrace]

So you throw out games that don't help fit the narrative? I'm pretty sure that Cooper played in the Indy shutout. I'm pretty sure he didn't play in the Jacksonville game prior to the trade. The guy helped (really made a difference in a handful of games and was somewhat of a no-show in several others) but trying to claim a 8.2 point difference is ludicrous. If you want to tweak your stats, back out the defensive score in the Bucs game.

When DS did this earlier in the season, everyone clamored for him to not count the Jax game because it was a statistical anomaly. That's why he presented the info this way.