Prescott had a very shaky 4th QTR

[Captain43Crash]

Wrong he didn't call those screens that was his job to listen to the coach that was what was called that's what he did just because he said after the game he didn't want to put the ball in jeopardy doesn't mean that he didn't look down the field first before he dumped those balls down but those were all called plays he is not the play caller..

you want to blame someone on offense, blame the fact that the offensive line didn't play well ,there was no run game, Williams broke zero tackles on the screens, blue got zero yards, they were playing one dimensional football and Prescott doesn't call the plays,​

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would you like to have another ridiculous post with Prescott was shaky in the 4th quarter without mentioning all the context, and I would say you're 100% wrong, and you know it you're false, you need me on that wall you, want me on that wall...​

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You know what would have been the story if he would have forced the ball into traffic trying to make a play like he has he did it at the end of the Bears game and he was getting out of control that's what quarterbacks do and the ball is intercepted or he holds on to it too long looking downfield and it gets knocked out of his hand then it's the quarterback's fault for putting the ball at risk you would come here and fry him that's the truth he can't win against the haters your haters go away..​

Dak has been good, but not good period!
Almost every football fan realizes this.

Are you Dak’s agent? LOL

 

[RonnieT24]

It does come down to a matter of opinion, I'll give you that. In this case we have the luxury of being able to study the results of that opinion which, like it or not, does favor one opinion over the other. I do find it fascinating that you argue both that a drive starting at 12:18 in the Lions game gets Dak credit for a crunch time game winner but this drive is not considered the same way. I struggle with the logic there.

I have to also point out that you play pretty fast and loose with the recounting of history. Such as giving Dak credit for scoring ten points in under 7 minutes in the Lions game when it actually began at 12:18, and then neglecting to mention that the last field goal drive started well in range of a field goal.

Then there is your statement that, "the defense forced a 3 and out on the previous possession". The reality is that the Panthers drive stalled as much because of the two penalties they incurred than because the defense suddenly clamped down.

Bottom line is, the Cowboys had the ball near mid-field with 8 minutes left in a tie game. The defense had been terrible both all season and throughout this game. The defense spitting the bit to give up a game winning final drive has been pretty consistent for years now. It is the most common excuse given to absolve Dak for the playoff losses, and many others. All that points to the likelihood of a now or never scenario.

Really not seeing how the Panthers self-destructing with penalties on the previous drive is near enough to counter all the other factors.

If you want to bang on Schottenheimer and Dak for not realizing that their possession beginning with over 8 minutes left in the game was going to be their last shot then fine. I can admit I did not watch that drive thinking "this is going to be our last chance with the ball." Did you? Should they have played it that way? Yes in hindsight they should have but I don't do that. I judge them based on where my head was at the time and how I would have handled it. I would not have thought that the defense was going to hold.. but I also would not have thought they would let them drive 85 yards and eat up the rest of the game. If you saw it different then so be it.

 

[Vtwin]

If you want to bang on Schottenheimer and Dak for not realizing that their possession beginning with over 8 minutes left in the game was going to be their last shot then fine. I can admit I did not watch that drive thinking "this is going to be our last chance with the ball." Did you? Should they have played it that way? Yes in hindsight they should have but I don't do that. I judge them based on where my head was at the time and how I would have handled it. I would not have thought that the defense was going to hold.. but I also would not have thought they would let them drive 85 yards and eat up the rest of the game. If you saw it different then so be it.

I absolutely thought they needed points on that drive, based on how the game had unfolded to that point. Leaving the game in the hands of the defense seemed insane to me.

 

[blueblood70]

Dak has been good, but not good period!
Almost every football fan realizes this.

Are you Dak’s agent? LOL

Dak Prescott at worse since day one is a top 10 quarterback in this league he's proven it over and over but he's been top five and in the MVP conversation at least three Times Now That's a fact you can't take away facts No he's been great most of his career I don't need to be his agent he already secured for $60 million You can't go back in time so you might want to ease off the anger because he's not going away.

I'll be here another two seasons most likely And I hope it hurts you deeply I hope it hurts you in your bad places.... You can't admit he's a great quarterback just because he's not elite it doesn't mean you lower him to somehow average to below average like you're trying i'm sorry it's not happening Your opinion is like a car crash.... Every might everyone might pay attention that doesn't mean they're going to agree with you.

Why is it you think I have to agree with you like I'm his agent, why do you think I'm somehow a Dak apologist which I'm not but Prescott and Romo were robbed here..

They're robbed of a better career because of the way Jerry built these teams Period end of story let's just move on from that not going to have this constant talk about Prescott he's already proven over and over he's one of the top quarterbacks in the league and that's all you need nowadays to win.

 

[blueblood70]

If you want to bang on Schottenheimer and Dak for not realizing that their possession beginning with over 8 minutes left in the game was going to be their last shot then fine. I can admit I did not watch that drive thinking "this is going to be our last chance with the ball." Did you? Should they have played it that way? Yes in hindsight they should have but I don't do that. I judge them based on where my head was at the time and how I would have handled it. I would not have thought that the defense was going to hold.. but I also would not have thought they would let them drive 85 yards and eat up the rest of the game. If you saw it different then so be it.

It's nice when you go back and say maybe they should have did it in a different way and that is what Jerry met the other day when he said that he would take that in the Washington game, to be back in that position He didn't mean he wanted to be back in that positin but he knows they would do it differently he knows it's better than getting beat like he did the Bears gam to be in a position to win the game late and they will have a better Plan for that when that moment comes again...

Pretty sure BS knows that I still don't think it was a mistake but if you think about how bad the offensive line played the fact that we had no run game Prescott had no support Not sure why they chose Williams but I bet if it happens again that ball is going to someone like Turpin or Lamb behind a line of scrimmage those screens would be better for someone who's got a little bit more juice wiggle elusiveness that's not Williams why you go Williams, williams ,Hunter is the reason that was a bad sequence of play calls but we were down players..

Yeah, in hindsight they probably want the calls back but if they did call them again it would be to a different player...

 

[RonnieT24]

It's nice when you go back and say maybe they should have did it in a different way and that is what Jerry met the other day when he said that he would take that in the Washington game, to be back in that position He didn't mean he wanted to be back in that positin but he knows they would do it differently he knows it's better than getting beat like he did the Bears gam to be in a position to win the game late and they will have a better Plan for that when that moment comes again...

Pretty sure BS knows that I still don't think it was a mistake but if you think about how bad the offensive line played the fact that we had no run game Prescott had no support Not sure why they chose Williams but I bet if it happens again that ball is going to someone like Turpin or Lamb behind a line of scrimmage those screens would be better for someone who's got a little bit more juice wiggle elusiveness that's not Williams why you go Williams, williams ,Hunter is the reason that was a bad sequence of play calls but we were down players..

Yeah, in hindsight they probably want the calls back but if they did call them again it would be to a different player...

Yeah this is the bottom line. Like it or not there is some learning on the job going on with Schottie. So there are going to be situations where he has not seen it before and he doesn't handle it properly. As long as I see continued improvement I am willing to absorb these lessons.

 

[blueblood70]

Yeah this is the bottom line. Like it or not there is some learning on the job going on with Schottie. So there are going to be situations where he has not seen it before and he doesn't handle it properly. As long as I see continued improvement I am willing to absorb these lessons.

Don't think it was a bad plan at the time he was being conservative thinking field goal and didn't realize what would happen if none of these plays actually worked,

he should have just been aggressive the downfield passing and the pass blocking were far superior in this game than the run blocking..

so they had our number inside that box, they called the area just in front and behind a line of scrimmage, but they weren't covering us down field very well,

so they should have been more aggressive,

I mean you have Mister 6 yards per catch on your team in Ferguson and he can catch in traffic maybe he should have been throwing it up to him and George Pickens some jump balls would have been better suited to not be conservative in an area the team struggled with all game.


I don't think it was something because of his being new to being the head coach and the play caller I just simply think he was too conservative, and he'll learn from it...

It's all coaches get caught with this and they're called being too cute in the situation I just call it being too conservative Just stay with what's working...

 

[cowboys1732]

Think it's just being more of a hater, when you do that...

You literally can, it you it's OK to say Jerry thank you for giving us a prolific offense, and a great special teams group, and at the same time you can say if this was true that you hamstrung your new HC by forcing Matt Eberflu's on him and having a bad defensive coordinator, and not willing to make a change..​

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you can say both, both are true, you don't want to do it because you guys are haters, FYI jerry brought us three Super Bowls but oh no it's all Jimmy,lmao no you guys can't have it that way, jerry brought us three Super Bowls in 5 years..​

You realize what that means right tom Landry in the old management literally underachieved, they should have had far more Super Bowls and they didn't, they only brought two in the same amount of time just because we're in a drought doesn't make Jerry any less of an owner, he still should get credit for the three Super Bowls, they were more than the other ownership group in the great Tom Landry,

they did it quicker and faster and they did it better.

That's the thing right now,

he has built this offense and kept it together he has added to it he has made the special teams very good, two thirds of his team is great, and he should get credit for it...

So it's OK to say both are true, He's been bad in a lot of areas but he also has some upside as a GM he is not the worst GM in football you can't be the worst GM in football and have a league still put you in so many primetime spots because you're still getting a lot of ratings you're still winning in the regular season and just recently they were in the playoffs three straight years and beat the Eagles in the division twice...

All you're saying is you're short sighted, you're stubborn and you're a hater, you're unwilling to give Jerry any credit even though he deserves it in some spots.

He deserves credit and he deserves criticism you're unwilling to do both You're one of those people that need to be right all the time and won't admit when you're wrong and give anybody credit even though they deserved it..

First of all, you are stereotyping me, which is cool, but I didn't not say all of those things. Outside a couple of "fan boys" of Jerry, you will find very few that will give him credit for much of anything. I would argue Jerry is the one who is "short sighted", "stubborn" and narcistic. I said I wouldn't thank him and definitely wouldn't give him props for the team being 2-3-1 with a prolific offense and statistically one of the worst defenses. You are gaslighting the discussion and just because I personally don't agree with you, resorting to name calling, which again whatever. Maybe you should take a look in the mirror before you state "you're one of those people that need to be right all the time". I understand your arguments and acknowledge he has done some good things. But again, me personally, blame him for the colossal failures because he refuses to hire a GM and even worse refuses to hold himself accountable as the GM.

I never said that I don't give Jerry any credit for the three Superbowls. Jerry wants to be the face of the franchise, demands to be front and center and definitely wants credit for his accomplishments. My take is I am fine with all of that, but I will personally hold him accountable for the team's lack of success the last thirty years, not that he cares what I think.

Look we are getting off topic for this thread, my point was I don't blame the QB for the team's lack of success this year. Furthermore, I think it is silly to point to the last drive or last quarter of the Panthers game and place blame on Dak and the offense for losing the game.

Why don't you jump in one of the plethora of the anti-Jerry threads and have discussions? I have been a forum member a long time, read several of your posts over the years and don't see you normally resorting to personal attacks and name calling. So, I am not sure why you are doing so now or maybe you need to develop "thick skin" as you stated earlier.

 

[blueblood70]

First of all, you are stereotyping me, which is cool, but I didn't not say all of those things. Outside a couple of "fan boys" of Jerry, you will find very few that will give him credit for much of anything. I would argue Jerry is the one who is "short sighted", "stubborn" and narcistic. I said I wouldn't thank him and definitely wouldn't give him props for the team being 2-3-1 with a prolific offense and statistically one of the worst defenses. You are gaslighting the discussion and just because I personally don't agree with you, resorting to name calling, which again whatever. Maybe you should take a look in the mirror before you state "you're one of those people that need to be right all the time". I understand your arguments and acknowledge he has done some good things. But again, me personally, blame him for the colossal failures because he refuses to hire a GM and even worse refuses to hold himself accountable as the GM.

I never said that I don't give Jerry any credit for the three Superbowls. Jerry wants to be the face of the franchise, demands to be front and center and definitely wants credit for his accomplishments. My take is I am fine with all of that, but I will personally hold him accountable for the team's lack of success the last thirty years, not that he cares what I think.

Look we are getting off topic for this thread, my point was I don't blame the QB for the team's lack of success this year. Furthermore, I think it is silly to point to the last drive or last quarter of the Panthers game and place blame on Dak and the offense for losing the game.

Why don't you jump in one of the plethora of the anti-Jerry threads and have discussions? I have been a forum member a long time, read several of your posts over the years and don't see you normally resorting to personal attacks and name calling. So, I am not sure why you are doing so now or maybe you need to develop "thick skin" as you stated earlier.

TLDR

 

[Captain43Crash]

Dak Prescott at worse since day one is a top 10 quarterback in this league he's proven it over and over but he's been top five and in the MVP conversation at least three Times Now That's a fact you can't take away facts No he's been great most of his career I don't need to be his agent he already secured for $60 million You can't go back in time so you might want to ease off the anger because he's not going away.

I'll be here another two seasons most likely And I hope it hurts you deeply I hope it hurts you in your bad places.... You can't admit he's a great quarterback just because he's not elite it doesn't mean you lower him to somehow average to below average like you're trying i'm sorry it's not happening Your opinion is like a car crash.... Every might everyone might pay attention that doesn't mean they're going to agree with you.

Why is it you think I have to agree with you like I'm his agent, why do you think I'm somehow a Dak apologist which I'm not but Prescott and Romo were robbed here..

They're robbed of a better career because of the way Jerry built these teams Period end of story let's just move on from that not going to have this constant talk about Prescott he's already proven over and over he's one of the top quarterbacks in the league and that's all you need nowadays to win.

I stand by what I said.
Dak has been good, but not good period!
And almost every football fan realizes this.

 

[Hadenough]

People need to get over Dak already. He was shaky years 1-4 mechanically but he has fixed those issues. QBs get overpaid and let's just say we all agree he is a B+/A- he is still better than Dilfer, Flacco, Eli, Johnson, Doug Williams, McMahon, Rypien, Hostetler who all managed to win a super bowl.

We literally have the worst defense in the league giving up over 30 a game. We scored 40 and tied that game. Mahomes is 3-3 right now. People complain about Jerry, but then somehow also buy into his strategy because we seem to have endless complaints about one of the few guys delivering on his contract.

If someone wants to complain about someone getting elite money and not delivering there should be endless threads on Diggs. How many times this year has he been completely lost in coverage? At least that would be on the side of the ball that can't get it together.

You lost any credibility when you mentioned Eli. He took a wild card team on the road and scored 8 tds to 1int and made it to the SB and beat the goat twice!!

 

[Hadenough]

Dak Prescott at worse since day one is a top 10 quarterback in this league he's proven it over and over but he's been top five and in the MVP conversation at least three Times Now That's a fact you can't take away facts No he's been great most of his career I don't need to be his agent he already secured for $60 million You can't go back in time so you might want to ease off the anger because he's not going away.

I'll be here another two seasons most likely And I hope it hurts you deeply I hope it hurts you in your bad places.... You can't admit he's a great quarterback just because he's not elite it doesn't mean you lower him to somehow average to below average like you're trying i'm sorry it's not happening Your opinion is like a car crash.... Every might everyone might pay attention that doesn't mean they're going to agree with you.

Why is it you think I have to agree with you like I'm his agent, why do you think I'm somehow a Dak apologist which I'm not but Prescott and Romo were robbed here..

They're robbed of a better career because of the way Jerry built these teams Period end of story let's just move on from that not going to have this constant talk about Prescott he's already proven over and over he's one of the top quarterbacks in the league and that's all you need nowadays to win.

WE could debate Daks ranking you say top 10th and I say maybe 13th. But the one thing that there is no debate is his playoff ranking it has to put him between 20 -30. He's been awful!

 

[cowboys1732]

TLDR

Wow that’s the pot calling the kettle on long posts And here I thought just my teenage daughters used TLDR, not grumpy old men. Have a good night brother.

 

[Captain-Crash]

He's good until you pressure him, then he's the two-dollar folding chair. he is what he is.........

 

[pansophy]

You lost any credibility when you mentioned Eli. He took a wild card team on the road and scored 8 tds to 1int and made it to the SB and beat the goat twice!!

Eli was solid if you gave him time. Both of his super bowls were won by the defensive line and a few 1 in 1000 throws + catches. He will go to the HOF because of the two super bowls, no doubt, but he never whiffed a MVP vote. If I was starting a team from scratch I would take Dak or Romo before Eli.

 

[RonnieT24]

He's good until you pressure him, then he's the two-dollar folding chair. he is what he is.........

Dak has been #1 or #2 against the blitz for the past 5 seasons rendering this statement exceedingly moronic. Which would make it normal for you.

 

[blueblood70]

Wow that’s the pot calling the kettle on long posts And here I thought just my teenage daughters used TLDR, not grumpy old men. Have a good night brother.

sorry dont cry, Truly had screen tired-head and was done was done with the site for the day didn't read it didn't want to read it I debated and argued Too long already and it was time to put down the phones and take a break..

 

[blueblood70]

Dak has been #1 or #2 against the blitz for the past 5 seasons rendering this statement exceedingly moronic. Which would make it normal for you.

Never going to win with the haters man,

they don't see it they don't want to see it they don't want to see that Romo or Prescott has been saddled with all the blame for what's happened the last two decades, and really it's been everything else but them,​

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I don't care what they look like in the playoffs there's good reason for a lot of those balls being forced or good reason for a quarterback having a bad game when he has no run game the offensive line is either getting overly penalized or can't block and the defense rarely shows up in the big moments.​

All they remember is the bad plays, or the interceptions, but I've seen plenty of teams win when their quarterback is making mistakes..

I mean it's sad when you see what was it like 4 or 5 years ago, I can't even remember, we played the 49ers and couldn't get the ball set that's supposed to be Prescott's fault, literally I have seen about 16 scenarios exactly like that in the pros and in college it is ironic that those referees if the back guy can't get it the front guy comes up and make sure it's set, it's like they know they need to be on their game as much as the offense needs to set the ball and they run up there, LIke they care... Doesn't it seem awfully familiar in the Green Bay Packer game after that last throw happens to be Miracle one second left on the clock when we all know that clock should have ran out and somehow it had a really long pause Between one and zero. irony.

TO Me, that crew looks like they didn't care and they were like wanting the Forty Niners to win wink wink.. Sad when your quarterback is trying to set the ball gets it up there ,they purposely stall and let the clock run out...

I mean somehow we give a pass to Trayvon Diggs missing a easy interception not putting a hit and trying to break up A pass that was being bobbled by Kittles ,,the 14 penalties by the team 11 of them on the offensive line, the fact that we have no holes to run the ball,

I mean the list goes on and on of all the bad things that have happened in the playoffs even Tony Romo being blamed for the bobbled snap on a field goal attempt that could have probably won the game but nobody's talking about the bad spot from Witten that would have gave us first and goal they don't talk about how oily that ball looked I mean the thing looked like somebody sprayed it down with WD40 and we have a quarterback just coming off a big series sweating and your head coach and offensive coordinator and special teams guy thinks it's cool to have your spotter the most sweaty guy on the field have to catch a football that looks like that and spot it sure that probably doesn't happen ninety nine other times, but blame the quarterback for that..

Gets old

I could go on and on but we all know I mean I sit here and watch Matthew Stafford look like the same guy from the Detroit Lions go in on a loaded team lead the league in interceptions throw two interceptions in the Super Bowl win, and everyone's talking about this guy being a Hall of Famer.. He Is not better than Romo or Prescott, they're all in the same tier in in my eyes, and yet nobody wants to see that they made mistakes and their team stood up and made sure they didn't have a big effect on the game.

Hey we watched it in 2023 when we lost to the Packers at halftime it looked over but so did it for the Lions and 49ers the 49ers after halftime came back and won that game because their defense and special teams stood up and they made sure they stood up until the Packers offense got it back on track but it was the same deficit it was the same type of game but our defense gave up three straight touchdowns and that's Prescott's fault for throwing two early interceptions in a game

that's precious.....

 

[CowboyFrog]

You lost any credibility when you mentioned Eli. He took a wild card team on the road and scored 8 tds to 1int and made it to the SB and beat the goat twice!!

There are some big astriks to that "Wild Card" team..mainly the D line didnt play half the regular season, once they got healthy for the playoffs it was maybe the best pash rush we have ever seen in the playioffs for sure top 5...but yeah Eli didnt mess it up.

 

[RonnieT24]

There are some big astriks to that "Wild Card" team..mainly the D line didnt play half the regular season, once they got healthy for the playoffs it was maybe the best pash rush we have ever seen in the playioffs for sure top 5...but yeah Eli didnt mess it up.

I don't know why but this reminded me of several QBs who have made it to and/or the Super Bowl through no fault of their own. John Elway's passer rating in their Super Bowl win against the Packers was 51.9. He had 123 total yards passing, no TDs and a pick. But legend has it he "led them to a Super Bowl victory." It underscores just how stupid this whole "it's the QB who gets the wins and losses" mentality is.