Present vs Future: How to balance...

[CoCo]

Trading Herschel Walker for a bevy of players and draft picks. Some, including Tom Landry, though it was suicide. It turned out to be a huge key in the 90's Cowboy dynasty.

Hypothetically... What if Detroit was willing to trade us Calvin Johnson and his alleged potential for the last few years of TO's undisputed production. Would you take it? Would you risk the present for perhaps a more glorious future?

But that's just my warm-up question. My real question is, what if this Cowboy team goes deep into the playoffs this year with a clear demonstration of the potential to get to or even win the SB? That will most likely bring that dreaded HC offer for young Jason Garrett with a supposed world of potential.

Wade Phillips would also look like a great bird in the hand at that point but he's getting up in years and perhaps isn't long for this game, a la TO, for one reason or another.

Don't tell me Garrett is just going to stay on Jerry's promise and a boatload of Jerry's cash. A quality HC offer, from a quality organization (there are many) IMO will entice Jason to leave. That bird in the hand is simply too valuable and the future too unpredictable.

Would you show Wade the door to prevent the escape of what you believe is your head coaching future. If Garrett is all that, he will likely not become available again soon.

I know some think showing a successful Wade the door is unconscionable but is that any different than what happens with older successful players when their time becomes limited and a talented youngster becomes available? In reality, its not.

What say you?

 

[ndanger]

Trading Herschel Walker for a bevy of players and draft picks. Some, including Tom Landry, though it was suicide. It turned out to be a huge key in the 90's Cowboy dynasty.

Hypothetically... What if Detroit was willing to trade us Calvin Johnson and his alleged potential for the last few years of TO's undisputed production. Would you take it? Would you risk the present for perhaps a more glorious future?

But that's just my warm-up question. My real question is, what if this Cowboy team goes deep into the playoffs this year with a clear demonstration of the potential to get to or even win the SB? That will most likely bring that dreaded HC offer for young Jason Garrett with a supposed world of potential.

Wade Phillips would also look like a great bird in the hand at that point but he's getting up in years and perhaps isn't long for this game, a la TO, for one reason or another.

Don't tell me Garrett is just going to stay on Jerry's promise and a boatload of Jerry's cash. A quality HC offer, from a quality organization (there are many) IMO will entice Jason to leave. That bird in the hand is simply too valuable and the future too unpredictable.

Would you show Wade the door to prevent the escape of what you believe is your head coaching future. If Garrett is all that, he will likely not become available again soon.

I know some think showing a successful Wade the door is unconscionable but is that any different than what happens with older successful players when their time becomes limited and a talented youngster becomes available? In reality, its not.

What say you?

Showing a successful coach the door and hiring a great o/c is not working out real well right now for the Chargers.While I think Garret has a ton of potential,I would like to see a couple years of him and Phillips together.Phillips has a lot to offer in experiance not only to Garret but Stewart as well.I think we can hang on to Garret.I am more worried about losing Sporano.Let's not forget what he brings to the table for this offense.If you move Phillips out for Garret it would be wise to find a way to keep Sporano, not to mention Stewart as d/c.Having said all that I would think that Jason would put a lot more stock in Jerry's promise than anyone on this board.His relationship with Jerry has a lot of history.

 

[zeromaster]

Don't tell me Garrett is just going to stay on Jerry's promise and a boatload of Jerry's cash. A quality HC offer, from a quality organization (there are many) IMO will entice Jason to leave. That bird in the hand is simply too valuable and the future too unpredictable.

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What say you?

I say we tell you whatever we want.

You're not in Garrett's back pocket any more than the rest of us. Or are you his agent, perchance? Otherwise, all you know is what you would do in the same situation, nothing more. Bravo.

Garrett is turning out to be extremely smart. He may even be smart enough to get a little more seasoning.

I would be inclined to believe that Garrett can afford to wait a year. He's seen what happens with people like Snyder and Davis. There are other owners out there only marginally worse. With the proper success, Wade could be almost forced out after a couple of seasons, especially if we manage to win the big one this season or the next. A lot has to go right, obviously, but at that point, Wade would be vindicated as a HC, and his defensive prowess would still be in high demand.

It doesn't have to go like you or I think. It can go other ways as well.

So be careful on that soapbox of yours; that first step is a lulu...

 

[AsthmaField]

Of course you trade TO for Calvin Johnson if Detroit was stupid enough to do so.

He'll be good a decade from now.

 

[Clove]

I'd trade TO for Johnson before the conversation could end.

I'd never get rid of a HC who's kicking butt and taking us to the play offs and the SB EVER! That sends out a horrible message to not only the players, but to other future candidates who would be interested in coaching here.

Take Garrett and his family to Italy, liquor him up and convince him that he needs more than 1 year to run an entire team. Pay him the most money of any assistant, call him the assistant HC, whatever you have to do to keep him.

 

[CoCo]

I say we tell you whatever we want.

You're not in Garrett's back pocket any more than the rest of us. Or are you his agent, perchance? Otherwise, all you know is what you would do in the same situation, nothing more. Bravo.

Garrett is turning out to be extremely smart. He may even be smart enough to get a little more seasoning.

I would be inclined to believe that Garrett can afford to wait a year. He's seen what happens with people like Snyder and Davis. There are other owners out there only marginally worse. With the proper success, Wade could be almost forced out after a couple of seasons, especially if we manage to win the big one this season or the next. A lot has to go right, obviously, but at that point, Wade would be vindicated as a HC, and his defensive prowess would still be in high demand.

It doesn't have to go like you or I think. It can go other ways as well.

So be careful on that soapbox of yours; that first step is a lulu...

Of course it can go a variety of ways.

It just seems that most want to believe that Garrett is simply going to wait his turn here because a) he's young b) his history in Dallas & c) Jerry's money.

Who really knows? None of us. I am simply asking, what if?

What if at season's end Garrett has a Giants offer in hand and starts walking towards the door intent on being a head coach now. What if the only thing that would deter him is the chance to be head coach in Dallas right then? Would you be willing to show Wade the door to keep the wunderkind?

My prediction is (worth as much as it costs) that Garrett gets such an offer elsewhere at seasons end and simply accepts it. I think that even if Jerry offered the HC job in Dallas that Garrett would pass because he wouldn't want to be a party to that kind of mutiny but he does want to be a HC sooner rather than later.

Or maybe Jerry & Garrett seriously discussed this scenario before Wade ever happened on the scene and the answer is in a sealed envelope somewhere at Valley Ranch. Would it still be mutiny then?

I don't want to go the "one of 500 coaches" route again. Been there, done that.

 

[superpunk]

As enamored with Jason Garrett as we all are, I think we need to keep in mind that there are other "Jason Garrett's" out there. We see the success and new attitude Tomlin is bringing to the Steelers, after only one year in Minnesota as a DC. There are other examples, and other young coordinators waiting in the wings.

I think we've blown Garrett's accomplishment's out to epic, unreasonable proportions here, as well. That's probably due to his Cowboys history, and the fact that Jerry showed alot of guts in grabbing him when he did, showing that confidence and getting him on the staff without even having a defined position. And here, I don't mean to demean Garrett's accomplishments, but look at the horses he has to work with. We have arguably the most talented offense in the league, with only Indianapolis in the same discussion. (New England would be, save for their deficiencies at RB and TE - Watson is no Jason Witten.)

I guess the bottom line is - I would LOVE to have Jason Garrett become our head coach, eventually. At his age, he could stay in that position for a decade or more, depending on his success. But if he leaves, we can be successful without him, with this ridiculously talented roster. If we have a successful season - and it looks like we will - no way do I want Wade kicked out of town just to accomodate Garrett. Tony Sparano coached a team that featured Marco Rivera at right guard to a 4th ranked scoring offense. I think under Wade, he could take the new passing system Garrett has installed and still maintain a high level of success with this roster. If some team is after Garrett at the end of this year, make him a nice offer to retain him as the OC, or assistant head coach or whatever - and if that doesn't work, let him go.

But under no circumstances should we fire Wade simply because we're afraid of losing Garrett.

 

[ZeroClub]

I think it is natural to check ahead for troubled waters ... to see clouds on the horizon, etc.

But I've gotta say - these are the best of times. Today, this season, is the best of times. We have a team that is coming together and learning how to win by big margins. The success is new enough that there is enthusiasm. The players aren't so hung up on individual achievements, but instead seem to be focused on team success.

So sure, if the Cowboys win a championship or get close, Garrett may be gone. Heck, if the timing works out poorly, Sparano and Garrett both may be gone two years from now. Soon Owens will be older and less productive. The starting CBs will be up in years. Flozell Adams likely will be gone. And so on.

What I'm trying to say is this ...

That the Cowboys are headed forward right now - seemingly so well positioned for a championship run this year - is a major accomplishment. This sort of success doesn't happen very often (and it never lasts forever).

I think that we as fans owe it to ourselves to enjoy it to the fullest. There is no better time than the first time a team challenges for its championship.

... I don't intend this to be a criticism. I'm just offering it as a friendly reminder. These are the best of times, and it would be ashame to spend these best times worrying about some distant clouds.

 

[sago1]

Besides we still have Romo (as soon as Jerry gets around to re-signing him) and what about making Soprano next OC if Garrett leaves. Depending on how much Soprano is involved in the decisions Garrett makes and assuming he understands that his offense must fit the talent of our offensive players, particularly Romo, maybe we already have a solution on hand.

Of course there also the possibility Jerry and Jason had this discussion and everything is set.

 

[SpursFanFoLife]

It's great having these types of discussions. Two great coach's to choose from, it's a great luxury to have!!