Prisco: In or out? Will these stars of today be HOF-bound tomorrow? *Merge*

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Great list.

Rod Smith is one of my favorite players but he has had an unspectacular career. The fact that he was the first and probably only undrafted reciever to have 10,000 career yards gives him a chance.


Strahan gets in, but not a first ballot.

I say NO to Shaun Alexander. How can you let a two-down back who can't pass-block and can hardly catch a cold? I mean he is still TERRIBLE in pass-protection and he has been in this league long enough. Hell no.

Torry Holt is a better reciever than Iasaac Bruce; I love Bruce but Bruce had his best year in his second year and never approached those numbers again. Also, he was the number two option catching the ball behing Marshall faulk and then Torry Holt when Holt got a bit older. He had his best years as a number two option, just Like Keenan Mcardell. No to both of those guys.

How can anbody question Larry Allen?
 

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ThreeSportStar80;1540688 said:
Everyone knows LA is going in.. He's the best guard the NFL has seen.

T.O. needs two more years of 1,100 plus yards and 10 TD's then he's a no brainer in my book... I'm actually rooting for him to do it.

Yes, and if Romo turns out to be as good as we all hope he will be. TO will gets those numbers and hopefully a few SB rings. Then it will be......welcome to Canton....
 

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EastDallasCowboy;1542632 said:
How does he think Bruce is a better WR than Holt?

Holt is the better of the two, although imo neither are HOFers.
Bruce is absolutely a HOFer. Take one look at that man's numbers. Sure, he has played second fiddle to Holt for the last several years, but Holt is one of the most talented (and underrated) receivers of all-time, IMO.

And he's not saying that Bruce is better than Holt just because he said that Bruce is in the Hall and Holt isn't there quite yet. The way that I like to think about these debates is, if these guys were to tear up a knee and never be able to play again, would their current stats be enough to get them into the Hall? I'm not so sure for Holt. Now, if he continues to put up numbers like he has over his career, he will be an absolute lock for Canton. Hence Prisco's designation of "Needs More Work".
 

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BouncingCheese;1542657 said:
Great list.

Rod Smith is one of my favorite players but he has had an unspectacular career. The fact that he was the first and probably only undrafted reciever to have 10,000 career yards gives him a chance.


Strahan gets in, but not a first ballot.

I say NO to Shaun Alexander. How can you let a two-down back who can't pass-block and can hardly catch a cold? I mean he is still TERRIBLE in pass-protection and he has been in this league long enough. Hell no.

Torry Holt is a better reciever than Iasaac Bruce; I love Bruce but Bruce had his best year in his second year and never approached those numbers again. Also, he was the number two option catching the ball behing Marshall faulk and then Torry Holt when Holt had a few years under his belt. He had his best years as a number two option, just Like Keenan Mcardell. No to both of those guys.

One of the best deep threats to ever play but no to Bruce.

How can anbody question Larry Allen?

Repost but I don't want to write it all over again.
 

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Shaun Alexander, RB, Seattle Seahawks
Decision: Needs more work.
He's 25th on the all-time rushing list, so he has a chance. He needs to bounce back with a season like he had in 2005. Yes

Larry Allen, G, San Francisco 49ers
Decision: Welcome to Canton.
For much of the 1990s and into this decade, Allen was the best guard -- and some say offensive linemen -- in the game. He's a shoo-in. Yes

Champ Bailey, CB, Denver Broncos
Decision: Welcome to Canton.
I think he's the best defensive player in the league, and two more years playing at the same level will give him 10. He's then a lock on all lists. Yes

Ronde Barber, CB, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Decision: No way.
His brother, Tiki, has a better chance. Ronde has been the perfect corner for the Bucs' Cover-2 scheme, but is he a great corner? I say no. No

Tom Brady, QB, New England Patriots
Decision: Welcome to Canton.
Three Super Bowl rings and some big-time numbers have him in already. Scary thing is, he's far from finished. Yes

Derrick Brooks, LB, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Decision: Welcome to Canton.
He redefined the outside linebacker position, which is a sign of greatness. He made it a speed position. Plus, he's been a great player in doing so. No

Isaac Bruce, WR, St. Louis Rams
Decision: Welcome to Canton.
Bruce is seventh in catches with 887 and could get to fifth with a good season in 2007. He's seventh in receiving yards with 13,376 yards, and with 524 yards this season, he would move him into fourth place on that list. That's impressive. No

Tedy Bruschi, LB, New England Patriots
Decision: No way.
He was a feisty player who helped those Patriots win three Super Bowls, but was he ever the best defensive player on the field? No

Brian Dawkins, S, Philadelphia Eagles
Decision: On the bubble.
He has been one of the most-dominant safeties for a long time. But safeties have a tough time getting in, for whatever reason. If he can have a year or two like he did in 2006, he has a chance. Yes

Warrick Dunn, RB, Atlanta Falcons
Decision: No way.
He has some nice numbers, placing him 22nd on the all-time list. But he needs two or three more good seasons for consideration. No

Alan Faneca, G, Pittsburgh Steelers
Decision: Needs more work.
He's a Hall of Fame run blocker, but he hasn't been great in pass protection. He's just a notch below Hall material. No

Brett Favre, QB, Green Bay Packers
Decision: Welcome to Canton.
He's as easy a pick as any on the list. Favre is a football legend who happens to still be playing. Yes

Tony Gonzalez, TE, Kansas City Chiefs
Decision: Welcome to Canton.
He's the most-prolific pass-catching tight end ever. He has allowed the Chiefs to get by without many good receivers. He's a special weapon in the middle of the field. Yes

Marvin Harrison, WR, Indianapolis Colts
Decision: Welcome to Canton.
He's fourth all time in receptions and has a lot more left. He has his eyes on the top spot and Jerry Rice. Yes

Rodney Harrison, S, New England Patriots
Decision: On the bubble.
Some will say he should get in, but I think he's another who was just very good, but not great. Winning a Super Bowl with the Pats will help. No

Torry Holt, WR, St. Louis Rams
Decision: Needs more work.
He's still relatively young and playing at a high level, so he has time to get the work done. But for whatever reason, he doesn't get the due he deserves and that may hurt down the road. Yes

Joe Horn, WR, Atlanta Falcons
Decision: No way.
He was a nice player, but not a Hall of Fame player. Was he ever one of the league's truly great receivers? No

Steve Hutchinson, G, Minnesota Vikings
Decision: Needs more work.
He's been one of the best guards in football -- and the best at times -- the past five years, but he needs more time to show he can sustain it. Yes

Edgerrin James, RB, Arizona Cardinals
Decision: Needs more work.
He's over 10,000 yards, but I still think he needs more work. He better hope 2006 was an aberration and was more about the Cardinals' line than his abilities. No

Chad Johnson, WR, Cincinnati Bengals
Decision: Needs more work.
He has 466 catches in his first six seasons, and has averaged over 90 each of the past four seasons. He would need to do that for another five to seven seasons to be considered. Yes

Walter Jones, T, Seattle Seahawks
Decision: Welcome to Canton.
For the past seven years, he has been the best offensive lineman in the league. That's high praise. Yes

Ty Law, CB, Kansas City Chiefs
Decision: On the bubble.
Some people will say he's a candidate, but I don't think he will get in. He's been a nice player, but not a great one. No

Ray Lewis, LB, Baltimore Ravens
Decision: Welcome to Canton.
There is no doubt about it. He's been the best middle linebacker in the league for a long, long time. Yes

John Lynch, S, Denver Broncos
Decision: On the bubble.
A lot of people will say he should go in, but I think he's been a good, not great player. There have been a handful of better safeties in the league his entire NFL career. No

Peyton Manning, QB, Indianapolis Colts
Decision: Welcome to Canton.
No matter what he does the rest of his career Manning will be in the Hall. Even without the Super Bowl, he was on his way. Now he's a lock. Yes

Kevin Mawae, C, Tennessee Titans
Decision: No way.
He's been a damn good center, but he probably isn't going to get in. He'll get considered, but he'll probably miss out No

Keenan McCardell, WR, Unsigned
Decision: Needs more work.
He is ninth all time with 861 catches, but he's done so mostly out of the spotlight. He did win a Super Bowl with Tampa Bay, which will help. He says he wants to play until he gets 1,000 catches. If that happens, who knows? No

Donovan McNabb, QB, Philadelphia Eagles
Decision: Needs more work.
He's been a good quarterback, but has he ever been the best in the NFL? He hasn't done enough yet, and needs some big years to get there. No

Steve McNair, QB, Baltimore Ravens
Decision: No way.
Even though he won co-MVP honors with Manning in 2003 -- how that happened is a whole different story -- he hasn't done enough. No

Randy Moss, WR, New England Patriots
Decision: Needs more work.
I've seen some opinions that no matter what he does, he can't get in because he quit on his team. That's crazy. If he can revert to the old Moss, and put up big numbers for a few more years, he deserves to get in. No

Jonathan Ogden, T, Baltimore Ravens
Decision: Welcome to Canton.
Even though his play has slipped some, and he was never better than Jacksonville's Tony Boselli despite what some people might think, he's on his way to getting a gold jacket. Yes

Terrell Owens, WR, Dallas Cowboys
Decision: On the bubble.
Some might be surprised to see him here, but he's 17th all time in receptions with 801 and he's 16th in yards receiving with 11,715 yards. With a good season, he can move into the top-10 in both categories. Forget the attitude, he's had a heck of a career. Yes

Orlando Pace, T, St. Louis Rams
Decision: On the bubble.
He wasn't as good as Ogden and he's not as good as Jones. But he's been a heck of a player for a long time. Yes

Simeon Rice, DE, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Decision: Needs more work.
He's put up some amazing sack numbers, but the perception is he hasn't played the run well during his career, which he's fought hard to change. He needs two or three more big sack years. Does he have it in him? Yes

Warren Sapp, DT, Oakland Raiders
Decision: Welcome to Canton.
He might be the surliest player in the league -- how was he left off Freeman's All-Jerk squad? -- but he was a dominant inside player for a long time. Like him or not, he should go in. Yes

Richard Seymour, DE, New England Patriots
Decision: Needs more work.
He's the best defensive player on the Patriots, and has been for some time. I think he's two good years away from being in. No

Rod Smith, WR, Denver Broncos
Decision: On the bubble.
He has the numbers, but was he ever a truly great player? His numbers will carry a lot of weight when it's his time, but it's going to be a tough sell. No

Mike Strahan, DE, New York Giants
Decision: Welcome to Canton.
He's been a dominant player for a long time, but is he in the Bruce Smith-Reggie White class? He's not, but he's the all-time sack leader. Plus, the media likes him. He'll get in. Yes

Fred Taylor, RB, Jacksonville Jaguars
Decision: Needs more work.
He is closing in on 10,000 yards and has one of the best per-carry averages of all the leading rushers in league history. But he needs one or two more good years for consideration. No

Jason Taylor, DE, Miami Dolphins
Decision: On the bubble.
Taylor has been a heck of a player, and winning Defensive Player of the Year honors in 2006 will help, but he needs a couple more big sack years to have a chance. Yes

Zach Thomas, LB, Miami Dolphins
Decision: No way.
He was a good player but overrated at times. He's in the Hall of Good, but not the Hall of Fame. No

LaDainian Tomlinson, RB, San Diego Chargers
Decision: On the bubble.
If he has another LT-like season in 2007, he's in. So it's basically just a formality. He's halfway to the rushing record. Yes

Brian Urlacher, LB, Chicago Bears
Decision: Needs more work.
He's got a good start, but he has a long way to go to be a Hall of Fame player. Then again, the lineage of his middle linebacker spot with the Bears is a good one. No

Adam Vinatieri, K, Indianapolis Colts
Decision: On the bubble.
It's tough to get kickers into the Hall, but his clutch kicking for the Patriots, helping them to three Super Bowl victories, will help. Also, he's far from done. Yes

Kurt Warner, QB, Arizona Cardinals
Decision: No way.
Despite being a two-time MVP, Warner's success was too short. But he should go into the Good-guy Hall of Fame. No

(Note: Kicker Morten Andersen, G Will Shields and RB Curtis Martin were not included in the list since they are all likely finished playing. P.S.: They're all probably on their way to being elected.) Yes to all of these.
 

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Shaun Alexander:no

I wouldn't vote for a career two-down back who can't catch a cold let alone a football and STILL at this point in his career can't block on passing downs.

If he even wants to stay in for consideration he better get 1400 and double digit Td's or I will know how much of his success is attributed to Steve Hutchinson and W. Jones.
 

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BouncingCheese;1542657 said:
Great list.

Rod Smith is one of my favorite players but he has had an unspectacular career. The fact that he was the first and probably only undrafted reciever to have 10,000 career yards gives him a chance.


Strahan gets in, but not a first ballot.

I say NO to Shaun Alexander. How can you let a two-down back who can't pass-block and can hardly catch a cold? I mean he is still TERRIBLE in pass-protection and he has been in this league long enough. Hell no.

Torry Holt is a better reciever than Iasaac Bruce; I love Bruce but Bruce had his best year in his second year and never approached those numbers again. Also, he was the number two option catching the ball behing Marshall faulk and then Torry Holt when Holt got a bit older. He had his best years as a number two option, just Like Keenan Mcardell. No to both of those guys.

How can anbody question Larry Allen?

Nice post, I couldn't agree more. I may not like it but I have a feeling Strahan will get in on the first ballot though, people who choose this seem to really like him.

I hope Darren Woodson gets into the hall, he was one of me and my dad's favorite Cowboys ever. I think he's worthy but it's hard to get a Cowboys player into the hall it seems.
 

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It's gonna take more than a few clutch kicks and hanging on for 25 years for Anderson and Vinatieri to get in the hall. Neither one belongs.
 

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superpunk;1543212 said:
It's gonna take more than a few clutch kicks and hanging on for 25 years for Anderson and Vinatieri to get in the hall. Neither one belongs.


Sorry to burst your bubble there SP, but Vinatieri's going to the HoF, hide and watch!;)

Now if he had made all those kicks for Dallas, they'd find a way to keep him out.....for awhile.
 

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SuperCows5Xs;1543222 said:
Sorry to burst your bubble there SP, but Vinatieri's going to the HoF, hide and watch!;)

Now if he had made all those kicks for Dallas, they'd find a way to keep him out.....for awhile.

for a while? If he would have played for Dallas the NFL would have instated an "Adam Vinateri Rule" where a kicker isn't allowed to kick a field goal without the "aide" of a blind fold in the final seconds of the game.
 

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adamknite;1543231 said:
for a while? If he would have played for Dallas the NFL would have instated an "Adam Vinateri Rule" where a kicker isn't allowed to kick a field goal without the "aide" of a blind fold in the final seconds of the game.


:laugh2: especially the superbowl!
 
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