Projected #1 Overall Pick Cam Ward Calls Out Cowboys' Defense

Now you have stated my replying with an 'lol' was dismissive. Your logical conclusion was based on a three-letter abbreviation. Yet, you have surmised my logic is faulty by basically stating I read too much into what Cam Ward actually said.

I was not being dismissive. The 'lol' was reading every assumption you made of what I said about Cam Ward's statement, at length, and proclaimed it was logical. I thought it was funny, hence the 'laughing out loud'.

You could be right about Ward's comment. I doubt it. It is not a common communicative norm for an individual to state every example within the context of a conversation--unless the individual wishes the receiver of the communication to know as many specifics of the message they are trying to convey. The exception is especially true of the norm whenever an individual does not deliver a brief summary of what they are talking about.

And Ward's answer was, in fact, brief. He chose Dallas' defense out of every Tampa/Cover 2 coverage he inferred having watched. What he observed Dallas' defense doing stood out the most for him. What he saw Dallas do imprinted the largest impression upon him. If it had not, it is extremely likely he would have either: a) mentioned another team's defense instead (not several or many as you assumed); or b) singled out none.

When a person has a lot to say, they say a lot. The four-paragraphs above illustrate that, lol (the lol is my self-reflection for my own comment's irony and has nothing to do with you). Again. Ward did not say a lot. He highlighted Dallas out of every Tampa/Cover 2 defense he could have mentioned within his brief comment. Dallas' defense is what he wanted to emphasize. He did so.

That said, what he said was not necessarily a callout. Saying it was a callout may be actually reading too much into what he did say.
First, apologies for reading your tone wrong. But surely you can understand that when someone replies with lol to a post that was obviously not intended to be funny and follows that with a single short sentence, it’s logical to assume you weren’t interested in my thoughts.

You seem to be misunderstanding what I was suggesting. You say that I believe that you have surmised your logic is faulty by basically “stating you read too much into what Cam Ward actually said”. That is not my point. It is quite logical to assume that’s what Cam meant. Just because it may ultimately prove wrong doesn’t make it illogical. My question is not your conclusion…it’s how you got there.

IMO, the foundation of the argument upon which you base your conclusion was based on a faulty premise. Here is the premise you stated in the first paragraph to make your case for Cam’s intent:
“What singles out a particular example out of a group of examples from
any observer's perspective? Answer: something one example demonstrated
more than any the other examples did.”
I reject that an example must demonstrate something more than any other example could. If I asked you to provide an example of a letter in the alphabet and you said the letter A, that doesn’t mean the letter A demonstrated something more than the other letters…it’s simply an example. And if it’s not a requirement for an example to demonstrate something greater than other possible examples, then the foundation for your conclusion is based on a faulty premise.

As far as it not being a common communication style to name every possible example, we agree. Naming every possible example would mean you are not really giving an example. My point was in order to give an example, he would have to name one or a few specific teams. To not name a team would be to not provide an example. Just like when I used the letter A example, I had to pick one. The only way I could avoid highlighting the letter A would be to recite the alphabet and now I’m not providing an example. But using the letter A does not necessarily infer that A has any special significance to me v. the other letters. And using Dallas does not necessarily infer special or nefarious intent from Cam. It could…but it could also simply be an example.

Lastly, you said I may be right about Cam’s comment. Again, I think there is a miscommunication as I don’t think I suggested what I think Cam meant in our discussion. I don’t know what he meant. And I’m also not suggesting that you said Cam was “calling out” Dallas. You were clear in your comment that you weren’t concluding that. The reason I said that he may have beef with Dallas was to simply highlight one extreme of what it could be. I followed by saying he could have just picked the first team that came to mind or the last team he watched…the other extreme. It had nothing to do with what I thought you were suggesting.

If it’s not blatantly obvious, I enjoy discussions that require a level of debate…my wife calls it arguing. My intent is not to discount your opinions and hopefully you take my thoughts as intended. I appreciate your thoughtful responses and not making it personal. And sorry for the length…brevity is not my strength.
 
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First, apologies for reading your tone wrong. But surely you can understand that when someone replies with lol to a post that was obviously not intended to be funny and follows that with a single short sentence, it’s logical to assume you weren’t interested in my thoughts.

You seem to be misunderstanding what I was suggesting. You say that I believe that you have surmised your logic is faulty by basically “stating you read too much into what Cam Ward actually said”. That is not my point. It is quite logical to assume that’s what Cam meant. Just because it may ultimately prove wrong doesn’t make it illogical. My question is not your conclusion…it’s how you got there.

IMO, the foundation of the argument upon which you base your conclusion was based on a faulty premise. Here is the premise you stated in the first paragraph to make your case for Cam’s intent:
“What singles out a particular example out of a group of examples from
any observer's perspective? Answer: something one example demonstrated
more than any the other examples did.”
I reject that an example must demonstrate something more than any other example could. If I asked you to provide an example of a letter in the alphabet and you said the letter A, that doesn’t mean the letter A demonstrated something more than the other letters…it’s simply an example. And if it’s not a requirement for an example to demonstrate something greater than other possible examples, then the foundation for your conclusion is based on a faulty premise.

As far as it not being a common communication style to name every possible example, we agree. Naming every possible example would mean you are not really giving an example. My point was in order to give an example, he would have to name one or a few specific teams. To not name a team would be to not provide an example. Just like when I used the letter A example, I had to pick one. The only way I could avoid highlighting the letter A would be to recite the alphabet and now I’m not providing an example. But using the letter A does not necessarily infer that A has any special significance to me v. the other letters. And using Dallas does not necessarily infer special or nefarious intent from Cam. It could…but it could also simply be an example.

Lastly, you said I may be right about Cam’s comment. Again, I think there is a miscommunication as I don’t think I suggested what I think Cam meant in our discussion. I don’t know what he meant. And I’m also not suggesting that you said Cam was “calling out” Dallas. You were clear in your comment that you weren’t concluding that. The reason I said that he may have beef with Dallas was to simply highlight one extreme of what it could be. I followed by saying he could have just picked the first team that came to mind or the last team he watched…the other extreme. It had nothing to do with what I thought you were suggesting.

If it’s not blatantly obvious, I enjoy discussions that require a level of debate…my wife calls it arguing. My intent is not to discount your opinions and hopefully you take my thoughts as intended. I appreciate your thoughtful responses and not making it personal. And sorry for the length…brevity is not my strength.
Okay.
 
Lots of teams are playing two deep safeties these days, which is why the league is getting back to running the ball (which I like). Teams are taking away the deep stuff, and most all of today's quarterbacks are horrible at reading zone coverages, so the defense is starting to get an upper hand.

This kid isn't that good. He's a tools guy right now. We'll see if he can turn that into real performance on the field.
 
Not a huge deal but I found this pretty funny. We got undrafted Rookie QB's specifically calling out our porous Defense in pre-draft interviews now lol. Also odd that Ran Carthon is interviewing the likely #1 pick of the Titans when he was just fired by the Titans after the season.


I love this kid and he is 100% correct about the Cowboys LAME defense! Too many times last season opponents just chewed up our CBs with their consistent 10 yd passes on downs where the CB should have been in the receiver's back pocket!!!!!!!!!! It was just way too easy for our opponents, way too easy!
 
Not a huge deal but I found this pretty funny. We got undrafted Rookie QB's specifically calling out our porous Defense in pre-draft interviews now lol. Also odd that Ran Carthon is interviewing the likely #1 pick of the Titans when he was just fired by the Titans after the season.



Seems like a guy who is very aware of his own abilities if he is calling out the by far weakest dog in the yard.
 
The defensive "scheme" has been a seive through the last 2 defensive coordinators and the FO is responsible for those hires and the personnel that execute them.

Anything that is on the field is the Dallas Cowboys......if Eberflus is a success than that will also be the Cowboys

It works both ways
I don't see it that way. I agree that the FO and their drafting play a part. It is not all or nothing though.

If it is indistinguishable for you, I won't argue it.
 
Not a huge deal but I found this pretty funny. We got undrafted Rookie QB's specifically calling out our porous Defense in pre-draft interviews now lol. Also odd that Ran Carthon is interviewing the likely #1 pick of the Titans when he was just fired by the Titans after the season.


Translation- DAL defense is trash.
 
When this kid is deemed the best QB in this draft we know it's a terrible time to need a QB. Ward folded down the stretch for Miami when they couldn't afford a hiccup. He had games where he was meh.
 

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