Puking crow on Anthony Spencer

[Galian Beast]

I have to puke crow, how does that work?

I was one of Spencer's biggest supporters, but we need a greater pass rusher opposite of Ware and I'm willing to say it.

I think that has become the biggest need on our team even ahead of guard and center.

 

[benson]

Dare I say it, we need to call... the LEGEND

 

[Eskimo]

I agree.

If we are going to re-sign Spencer to a medium sized deal we also need to draft of sign a FA pass rusher to complement Ware. Spencer will not be that guy ever. He just doesn't have the knack for it.

 

[CATCH17]

I have to puke crow, how does that work?

I was one of Spencer's biggest supporters, but we need a greater pass rusher opposite of Ware and I'm willing to say it.

I think that has become the biggest need on our team even ahead of guard and center.

If Rob Ryan stays im cool with keeping Spencer until we can find a replacement but if Rob goes I don't have confidence in any other coordinator to get the type of production we are getting out of the defense now without another edge rusher.

 

[jblaze2004]

well i rather let spencer walk and draft another guy or let victor butler get a chance. Victor butler is a hard worker, he just needs a chance like miles, murray and ratliff got.

 

[Galian Beast]

well i rather let spencer walk and draft another guy or let victor butler get a chance. Victor butler is a hard worker, he just needs a chance like miles, murray and ratliff got.

Butler was in there for like the entire 4th qtr... i didnt see any sacks.

 

[TheCount]

I thought he played well against the Bills, but what do I know.

My problem with letting Spencer go is spending the resources to replace him. If you let him go, and then spend ANOTHER 1st on an OLB, what will you do if he ends up putting up similar production to Spencer?

What about if to take Spencer's replacement, we have to pass on a key piece like a center, guard, or DE that goes on to be very productive elsewhere?

 

[burmafrd]

I thought he played well against the Bills, but what do I know.

My problem with letting Spencer go is spending the resources to replace him. If you let him go, and then spend ANOTHER 1st on an OLB, what will you do if he ends up putting up similar production to Spencer?

What about if to take Spencer's replacement, we have to pass on a key piece like a center, guard, or DE that goes on to be very productive elsewhere?

by your reasoning we should never draft to improve any position.

 

[Galian Beast]

I thought he played well against the Bills, but what do I know.

My problem with letting Spencer go is spending the resources to replace him. If you let him go, and then spend ANOTHER 1st on an OLB, what will you do if he ends up putting up similar production to Spencer?

What about if to take Spencer's replacement, we have to pass on a key piece like a center, guard, or DE that goes on to be very productive elsewhere?

Neither Spencer or Carpenter were big pass rush guys in college.

Spencer had 21 sacks in his college career. Carpenter has 14.5 career sacks.

That said I would pay for a legit rusher, rather than pursue one in the draft.

We probably should have got Wimbley last year.

 

[rash]

Kamerion Wimbley would have been nice...but didn't he struggle in Ryan's defense in the first place back when he played for Cleveland?

I like Victor Butler and think he can be a starter in this league. I really think the combination of Spencer & Butler is a lot better than most #2 OLBs in a 34.

Spencer's pass rushing isn't quite what we had hoped...and he has given up a few plays thanks to over commitment (TD given up vs SF), but I still think he does a lot that doesn't show up on the stat sheet the majority of the time. He just needs to cut down on the 2-3 mistakes he makes per game that seem to get more scrutiny than say Ware's offsides penalties (and rightfully so).

The only position on defense I am worried about is the inside linebacker alongside Sean Lee.

 

[JohnsKey19]

Spencer is a good 2 down player. If we re-sign him, do so with that in mind. We need to go out and add legit pass rusher. A guy who comes in and rushes the passer. A Greg Ellis or Andre Carter type.

 

[Ren]

He doesn't rush the passer nearly as much as Ware does yet people are expecting Ware like numbers. Spencer has been solid this year we have bigger needs then replacing him

 

[Galian Beast]

Kamerion Wimbley would have been nice...but didn't he struggle in Ryan's defense in the first place back when he played for Cleveland?

I like Victor Butler and think he can be a starter in this league. I really think the combination of Spencer & Butler is a lot better than most #2 OLBs in a 34.

Spencer's pass rushing isn't quite what we had hoped...and he has given up a few plays thanks to over commitment (TD given up vs SF), but I still think he does a lot that doesn't show up on the stat sheet the majority of the time. He just needs to cut down on the 2-3 mistakes he makes per game that seem to get more scrutiny than say Ware's offsides penalties (and rightfully so).

The only position on defense I am worried about is the inside linebacker alongside Sean Lee.

Q: How do you make up for the sacks that [Kamerion] Wimbley and [Corey] Williams had last year?
A: Kamerion Wimbley was a great guy and played well for us, but I think he only had 61/2 sacks. We have guys on the roster that can beat tackles one-on-one. We also have a scheme that's set up to take advantage of everybody on the team, not just one particular guy to get to the quarterback. We'll light this quarterback up, just like all of 'em every week.''


Yeah, he didn't seem to enamored with him.



I'm not completely done with Spencer either, wish he would step it back up. I just think if he doesn't get a bit more pressure, it may be time to move on to someone else.

 

[JBell]

I have to puke crow, how does that work?

I was one of Spencer's biggest supporters, but we need a greater pass rusher opposite of Ware and I'm willing to say it.

I think that has become the biggest need on our team even ahead of guard and center.

We're not in the position yet to where we can start replacing solid starters when we have mediocre starters at other positions.

Interior OL is MUCH MORE pressing need.

 

[Galian Beast]

We're not in the position yet to where we can start replacing solid starters when we have mediocre starters at other positions.

Interior OL is MUCH MORE pressing need.

It's easier to get by with an average interior than an average pash rush.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

I thought he played well against the Bills, but what do I know.

My problem with letting Spencer go is spending the resources to replace him. If you let him go, and then spend ANOTHER 1st on an OLB, what will you do if he ends up putting up similar production to Spencer?

What about if to take Spencer's replacement, we have to pass on a key piece like a center, guard, or DE that goes on to be very productive elsewhere?

Yeah, this has been my thought process. I wanted to use high picks for the interior OL, safety, and cornerback, and not have to worry about OLB. I'm starting to change my mind on that, with TNew's recent play I would rather have him on the team next year than Spencer, regardless of age.

I've been on the keep Spencer so we can build the team elsewhere kick for a long time, but the worry is that if you pay a guy like Spencer, he will be even worse next year. If we do lose Spencer, OLB will become by far our biggest need, but it is something that we really have to consider at this point.

 

[JBell]

It's easier to get by with an average interior than an average pash rush.

How can you say that as a Cowboys fan?

The O-line has been the main culprit in our last two playoff losses.

Spencer isn't a problem. Could we use an upgrade? Yeah sure. But it's not a need.

 

[TheCount]

by your reasoning we should never draft to improve any position.

I think you read what you wanted to read. Probably easier to say something like that than to actually try to understand someone elses point of view.

Neither Spencer or Carpenter were big pass rush guys in college.

Spencer had 21 sacks in his college career. Carpenter has 14.5 career sacks.

That said I would pay for a legit rusher, rather than pursue one in the draft.

We probably should have got Wimbley last year.

That's a good spot, but I'd argue that just like in the pros, Spencer was inconsistent in college. He really only had one spectacular season, but it was a heck of a season.

 

[Temo]

It's not Spencer's pass rush that concerns me, because he doesn't rush the passer every play like Ware (or most plays). It's his coverage ability. We have exactly 1 LB right now who can cover (Lee). I'd like to add another one.

Victor Butler is seeming more and more like 1 dimensional player, a good guy to have on a rotation, but not good if he's your regular.

 

[Galian Beast]

How can you say that as a Cowboys fan?

The O-line has been the main culprit in our last two playoff losses.

Spencer isn't a problem. Could we use an upgrade? Yeah sure. But it's not a need.

Our defense has been a problem too...