Question about Greg Ellis and his draft status

[Future]

Yeah, there was NO WAY JJ could've taken Moss. And there's no guarantee that Moss would've been the same player in Dallas that he was in Minnesota.

Could you imagine Moss under the microscope in Dallas? Could you imagine him with the active nightlife that Dallas has?

I love Irvin, but I don't think he would've been the role model for Moss that Carter was.

LOL...moss would have been terrific anywhere. All you had to do was throw the ball high and watch him go get it.... When we brought Ryan Leaf here and if moss was still here that draft would have looked spectacular

 

[Bizwah]

LOL...moss would have been terrific anywhere. All you had to do was throw the ball high and watch him go get it.... When we brought Ryan Leaf here and if moss was still here that draft would have looked spectacular

I disagree.

Moss could very well have self-destructed here.

 

[L-O-Jete]

we reached because the rams reached first with winstrom so we were afraid someone else would reach for ellis. to this day i still can't believe we passed on moss. that was the single most stupid move by jerry jones up there with the jimmy johnson fiasco in '94.

It´s not the passing of Moss, but the fact there were trade offers to move down a couple of spots, so we might have been able to get Moss and extra picks what angers me. Moss vs. Ellis straight up considering everything (off-field issues, persona, leadership, etc.) not only talent, I can live with.

 

[Future]

I disagree.

Moss could very well have self-destructed here.

some would argue that he did in minnesota anyways...but they could throw him the ball before he self destructed anyways

 

[AbeBeta]

It´s not the passing of Moss, but the fact there were trade offers to move down a couple of spots, so we might have been able to get Moss and extra picks what angers me. Moss vs. Ellis straight up considering everything (off-field issues, persona, leadership, etc.) not only talent, I can live with.

where there really trade offers?

I can't see why there would have been -- who exactly would teams have been targeting? Jax is the only team that made a move between 3 and 16 -- and their deal was with Buffalo who wanted Rob Johnson who was their backup QB. Nobody moved down anywhere near us -- what does that tell us? It is very unlikely teams were itching to get up to #8 - and if someone did move up there, the target would have been ..... Moss.

 

[big dog cowboy]

It´s not the passing of Moss, but the fact there were trade offers to move down a couple of spots, so we might have been able to get Moss and extra picks what angers me. Moss vs. Ellis straight up considering everything (off-field issues, persona, leadership, etc.) not only talent, I can live with.

That is only partially right. Rumors were true that there were offers to us to trade down. But the roster situation dictated we had to go DE. If you recall, we only had one starting DE on the team. If you want to be upset, be upset at the fact our front office didn't do their job very well prior to the draft and cornered us into spending our first round pick on a specific position. As most of have seen the last couple of years, going into the draft with flexability is the way to go. Unfortunately that situation didn't exist with that draft and it cost us.

 

[AdamJT13]

But what we really need to know is how much difference existed in his rating of #8 and #17 -- in a "flat" draft you'll see more "reaches"

That definitely was a flat draft at that point. Buchsbaum's No. 8-ranked player, Fred Taylor, had a grade of 6.25. Ellis at No. 17 was a 6.12 (as was No. 16, Vonnie Holliday). The difference was a mere 0.13.

The year before that, the difference between No. 8 (Tom Knight, 6.75) and No. 17 (Michael Booker, 6.12) was 0.63 -- almost five times as big of a difference. A year after Ellis was drafted, the difference between No. 8 (Edgerrin James, 6.75) and No. 17 (Troy Edwards, 6.15) was 0.60.

FMI -- where did Buchsbaum have Leaf rated?

No. 4 overall, behind Charles Woodson, Andre Wadsworth and Peyton Manning. But his mock draft had them going in the correct order -- Manning first to the Colts, Leaf second to the Chargers, Wadsworth third to the Cardinals and Woodson fourth to the Raiders.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

He was a legit first rounder......he would not have lasted long past the boys.

 

[Longboysfan]

No doubt he would have been in the top 15 selected.
I was screaming when the Saints passed on Moss.hboy: hboy: hboy:
Then even louder when we passed. :bang2: :shoot4: :rake: :war: :blind: :abuseme:

 

[Eddie]

Could you imagine Moss under the microscope in Dallas? Could you imagine him with the active nightlife that Dallas has?

Why, is there no nightlife in Minnesota???

 

[Jarv]

Why, is there no nightlife in Minnesota???

I hear the boat cruises are kinda fun...

 

[L-O-Jete]

where there really trade offers?

I can't see why there would have been -- who exactly would teams have been targeting? Jax is the only team that made a move between 3 and 16 -- and their deal was with Buffalo who wanted Rob Johnson who was their backup QB. Nobody moved down anywhere near us -- what does that tell us? It is very unlikely teams were itching to get up to #8 - and if someone did move up there, the target would have been ..... Moss.

As I remember it the movement was for the RB´s, especially Taylor and some of the interested teams were Jax (so nobody could get the pick ahead of them) NE and someone else, maybe miami who didn´t have the firepower.