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After listening to dcf's post with the clip of Randy White, I wonder if any of you think it's time to put starters in on special teams. Miles Austin is a great returner. That was his forte' before he became a starter.

Why not put the stars back there and in there and let them do their thing?

If I was a "paying member", I'd ask for a poll. But votes of yes or no are fine. Explanations are a plus.

Thanks for discussing.
 
I would like to see Dez on special teams returning kicks more than Miles.

That said get out there whoever you need to get out there.
 
Galian Beast;3641679 said:
I would like to see Dez on special teams returning kicks more than Miles.

That said get out there whoever you need to get out there.

I would disagree and say Miles Austin is the better returner. Yet you risk injuring him. However, I think that risk is one worth taking at this point.

SilverStarCowboy;3641675 said:
Special Teams! Pfft... SPECIAL TEAMS!!!!

lolz

Cowboys are Superbowl Bound.



:shush:

Hey, mock me if you please, I still have hope and won't give it up unless we lose Monday. If we do, I'll write the season off because it's just not realistic to win out from there.

In any case, here's to you. :cheers:
 
CowboyMcCoy;3641662 said:
After listening to dcf's post with the clip of Randy White, I wonder if any of you think it's time to put starters in on special teams. Miles Austin is a great returner. That was his forte' before he became a starter.

Why not put the stars back there and in there and let them do their thing?

If I was a "paying member", I'd ask for a poll. But votes of yes or no are fine. Explanations are a plus.

Thanks for discussing.

Virtually the same players that play on the punt-coverage team are playing on the kickoff-coverage team. What’s obvious is that they are covering well on punt-coverage but not in kickoff-coverage, so if any starters need to be infused anywhere it might be on the kickoff-coverage unit.

But even then, that might be jumping the gun.

If you’re wondering why this might be happening, I think it’s because of 2 factors. First, David Buehler has really struggled to kick the ball into the end zone, and therefore there are 2 many run-backs. Also the coverage units have to run down a long length of the filed every time on a kickoff to cover it. That’s not the case on punts because Dallas’ offense usually moves the ball well, so the punts are shorter, making it a shorter distance for the coverage guys to travel.

But here’s my reservation about putting starters in on the kickoff-coverage unit. The best players for that job are defenders. Do you really want those guys travelling the length of the field to cover those, only to go back on the field right after that to play defense winded?

If you ask me what the remedy is, to me it’s simple. Coach Joe Decamilius needs to first-and-foremost do a better job coaching the kickoff coverage. Many here are reluctant to call him out; I’m not. If you want the kickoff coverage to improve you need better kickoffs and more fundamentally sound coverage. Period!

I don’t care that Buehler says he has a tired leg. Then train better son. And while Buehler has spent so much energy trying to become a field-goal kicker – with no success mind you – the fact that it has come at the expense of his kickoff ability is Decamilius’ fault.

Why? It’s because the buck always should stop at the feet of the coach. It’s up to Coach D to know when his kicker is being over-stressed and to know when to dial the routine back if need be. And it’s also up to the coach to know not to take risky chances with a player who’s been up-and-down. That kick to the sideline that Buehler hit out of bounds for a penalty, right after the celebration penalty, was so risky it should never have been attempted. And maybe that’s the problem.

Also, the kickoff units to me seem so aggressive that lanes are overrun and kicks are made with poor height and bad angles. Bad technique falls on coaching. So before any changes are made to personnel, perhaps changes need to be made by the coach about how the units should play smarter, more-fundamental, football.

Just my $0.02.
 
Hey CowboyMcCoy....are you okay? I heard a CYCLONE rolled through Austin today. I hope you're okay man.

kidding.

back to the topic. At this point, let's put all starters on special teams. Couldn't get any worse. God, we have to be dead last on yards given up. Horrible. Joe D needs to get it together. I no longer care that he broke his neck (he always had a place in my heart since) if he can't get ST together.
 
The last two seasons Austin returned kicks for us, he averaged 22.4 and 21.5 yards. Owusu-Ansah's average is in that same range.

I'm not enamored with AOA's returns, but there's no real evidence that anyone we have could do any better. Outside of a touchdown return each, neither Austin or Felix have done better on returns under DeCamillis.

I'm not opposed to trying someone else, but no use risking those two starters if there's no real distinction between them and Owusu-Ansah.
 
gimmesix;3641716 said:
The last two seasons Austin returned kicks for us, he averaged 22.4 and 21.5 yards. Owusu-Ansah's average is in that same range.

I'm not enamored with AOA's returns, but there's no real evidence that anyone we have could do any better. Outside of a touchdown return each, neither Austin or Felix have done better on returns under DeCamillis.

I'm not opposed to trying someone else, but no use risking those two starters if there's no real distinction between them and Owusu-Ansah.

The problems are not with who is returning kicks and punts or who is blocking them. The problems lie with the kicker and the coverage units. Nobdy can replace te kicker unless a roster move is made and Jones won't do it. So the talk about using starters in the units rests with the notion of making them part of the coverage units specifically.
 
I think it's the coaching and players split right down the middle.

It's the players on these units not being disciplined.

When you have Percy Harvin over there waiting for the kickoff the last thing you want to do is kick it right at him in the middle of the field at the 10 yard line.

Here's Percy Harvin on KFAN radio in Minny letting us know that David Buehler made a big mistake by kicking the ball right down the middle on Sunday...

Harvin on KFAN in Minny

This Buehler experiment is really going south. If you think about it you can say him and rest of the special teams are the #1 reason we are losing games. If he kicks the ball to one side or the other they don't run that blocking scheme. That seven points gone from the Minny score to open up the second half and this game is much different.

We know the Special Teams units also blew it against the Titans as well. This kid isn't getting any Touchbacks any more and he's 6 of 9 on FG attempts.

It's bad enough watching the Super Stars on Offense and Defense hurt the team with stupid penalties, but then to watch the Special Teams units meltdown week after week and it's no wonder the team can't find a way to win a game.
 

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