Question about the practice squad
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Angus said:
I too have heard that said and many claim it is a tactic used by Parcells to discourage teams from taking guys they want on the PS. Apparently the scavenging team must match salary of the waiving team or something along those lines.
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I think there is something specific to PS eligibility and maybe signing them OFF the PS. Teams would have to match or exceed their salary. I think that is actually how it goes.
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To take someone off somebody else's practice squad the player has to be put on the 53 so there is no question about the salary then. It is when someone is first put on a practice squad that I'm not sure about. I'm not sure every team has the same policy.
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As I recall, Dallas pays PS players about double the minimum -- I believe the minimum is 5K a week.
For the most part, teams don't sign other team's guys to their own PS as they usually prefer to keep guys they've had in camp. That isn't always the case but you won't see much of a bidding war over these players.
For the most part, teams don't sign other team's guys to their own PS as they usually prefer to keep guys they've had in camp. That isn't always the case but you won't see much of a bidding war over these players.
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I found this. It also has some informatopn about Marco Rivera:
Practice makes perfect
Packers fuel roster with reserve tank
By RICK BRAUN
rbraun@journalsentinel.com
Posted: Dec. 15, 2004
Green Bay - As training camp winds down in late August and early September, the major focus on every team in the National Football League becomes the final cuts.
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After all, the teams are only allowed to keep 53 players on their rosters.
But in today's NFL, 53 is not the real number for some teams. Just ask the Green Bay Packers.
With a practice squad of eight players, the Packers have been able to cover themselves from the week-to-week challenges of the NFL season.
Thus far this season, the Packers have brought six players up from their practice squad to the 53-man roster, by far the most in recent memory.
Some have lasted longer than others. For example, running back Walter Williams lasted just one game before a high ankle sprain led to him being placed on season-ending injured reserve.
Others, such as tight end Ben Steele, have been on the roster for a great majority of the season.
"First of all, it's a great job of finding players by our personnel department," Packer coach and general manager Mike Sherman said. "I can't say enough about the quality of player we've had on our practice squad, the type of people they are and the potentiality that exists there.
"Every player that we've elevated has a chance to be a player in this league in my mind, not just in an emergency situation. So I'm very pleased with that. I've talked about that. We take a lot of pride in our practice squad and we will continue to work hard to get good players in there. But they've been in the system, they know what you're doing, they know how you practice. You know them better than somebody from the outside. Some of them have gone through training camp with us, so you know their strengths and weaknesses so it's easy to utilize their talents when the opportunity exists."
Along with Williams and Steele, the Packers have also elevated receiver Kelvin Kight; fullback Vonta Leach; center Scott Wells; and defensive tackle Colin Cole to the 53-man roster.
Steele, Leach, Wells and Cole are on the current 53-man roster. Kight is back on the practice squad.
The practice squad was first instituted in 1989 and called the "developmental squad." The NFL adopted the term "practice squad" a year later. At the 2004 Annual Meeting, the league voted to increase the practice squad from five to eight players.
Practice squads are set two days after the final cuts of training camp, and players count against a team's salary cap. Players can turn down one team's practice squad offer for a better practice squad salary from another team, but once a player signs on with a team's practice squad he's bound to that team until he's either released or if another team signs him to its 53-man roster.
In the case of Steele, the Packers outbid the Minnesota Vikings for his services on practice squad even though Steele had gone through training camp with the Vikings.
One week into the season, Steele was on the 53-man roster after the Packers caught wind that the Vikings were ready to sign him to their roster following a season-ending injury to Jim Kleinsasser, their starting tight end.
Steele made his mark on the Packers' season when he recovered Robert Ferguson's fumble on a late kickoff return against the Vikings on Nov. 14. The recovery came right after the Vikings had scored two consecutive touchdowns to forge a 31-31 tie, and the Packers went on to get a winning field goal
Williams was signed by the Packers last January and sent to NFL Europe. He went through training camp with Green Bay and was waived in the final round of cuts and then signed to the practice squad on Sept. 15.
He got his opportunity on Nov. 21 when he was elevated to the roster because Najeh Davenport missed the game against the Houston Texans. And when Ahman Green injured his ribs on the first play Williams got his chance to play.
Williams ran for 42 yards in six carries against the Texans, including a 28-yard romp. He seemed on his way to a 100-yard debut, but midway through the second quarter he suffered a high ankle sprain.
Later that week, the Packers placed him on injured reserve.
Still, Williams was happy for the opportunity he got by signing with the Packers' practice squad.
"From talking to them, everything they told me has been right on the money," Williams said. "They told me that here in Green Bay, that's the way they do it. They don't use their practice team like I guess maybe some other teams use them - as just practice dummies, I guess you could say. There are actually people here that are on the practice squad maybe because of numbers or maybe because of money, or just maybe because there's a Pro Bowl player in front of them or whatever it might be.
"But there are quality people here on the practice team. Everybody on the practice team could move up. Look at 'KGB' (Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila). He was on the practice team once here. That's just how it's done here in Green Bay."
Wells was the Packers' seventh-round pick in April but was waived in the final round of cuts. He signed on with the practice squad the following week and was elevated for the fourth game. Wells made his first career start Sunday against Detroit.
"I know that when they put me on practice squad, they brought up the number of the guys who are on the team now that started out on the practice squad," Wells said. "They brought up Kabeer, he was a practice squad guy who went to the Pro Bowl last year. And then they use success stories like Marco, who played a year in the World League and ended up being in the Pro Bowl."
Rivera was never on the practice squad, but he was inactive for all 16 games as a rookie back in 1996. Wells believes that the Packers' record of developing players helps them get some of the better talent available when it comes to signing with a practice squad. Rivera agrees.
"If you're on the practice squad for the Green Bay Packers, you're a pretty good player," Rivera said. "I believe that most of the guys, when you look at former practice-squad players, are pretty good players, Kabeer being one of them. They're loaded with potential and maybe they need another year just to develop. But most of those practice squad players, when they come to Green Bay, they're a pretty good player."
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=284253
Practice makes perfect
Packers fuel roster with reserve tank
By RICK BRAUN
rbraun@journalsentinel.com
Posted: Dec. 15, 2004
Green Bay - As training camp winds down in late August and early September, the major focus on every team in the National Football League becomes the final cuts.
Advertisement
After all, the teams are only allowed to keep 53 players on their rosters.
But in today's NFL, 53 is not the real number for some teams. Just ask the Green Bay Packers.
With a practice squad of eight players, the Packers have been able to cover themselves from the week-to-week challenges of the NFL season.
Thus far this season, the Packers have brought six players up from their practice squad to the 53-man roster, by far the most in recent memory.
Some have lasted longer than others. For example, running back Walter Williams lasted just one game before a high ankle sprain led to him being placed on season-ending injured reserve.
Others, such as tight end Ben Steele, have been on the roster for a great majority of the season.
"First of all, it's a great job of finding players by our personnel department," Packer coach and general manager Mike Sherman said. "I can't say enough about the quality of player we've had on our practice squad, the type of people they are and the potentiality that exists there.
"Every player that we've elevated has a chance to be a player in this league in my mind, not just in an emergency situation. So I'm very pleased with that. I've talked about that. We take a lot of pride in our practice squad and we will continue to work hard to get good players in there. But they've been in the system, they know what you're doing, they know how you practice. You know them better than somebody from the outside. Some of them have gone through training camp with us, so you know their strengths and weaknesses so it's easy to utilize their talents when the opportunity exists."
Along with Williams and Steele, the Packers have also elevated receiver Kelvin Kight; fullback Vonta Leach; center Scott Wells; and defensive tackle Colin Cole to the 53-man roster.
Steele, Leach, Wells and Cole are on the current 53-man roster. Kight is back on the practice squad.
The practice squad was first instituted in 1989 and called the "developmental squad." The NFL adopted the term "practice squad" a year later. At the 2004 Annual Meeting, the league voted to increase the practice squad from five to eight players.
Practice squads are set two days after the final cuts of training camp, and players count against a team's salary cap. Players can turn down one team's practice squad offer for a better practice squad salary from another team, but once a player signs on with a team's practice squad he's bound to that team until he's either released or if another team signs him to its 53-man roster.
In the case of Steele, the Packers outbid the Minnesota Vikings for his services on practice squad even though Steele had gone through training camp with the Vikings.
One week into the season, Steele was on the 53-man roster after the Packers caught wind that the Vikings were ready to sign him to their roster following a season-ending injury to Jim Kleinsasser, their starting tight end.
Steele made his mark on the Packers' season when he recovered Robert Ferguson's fumble on a late kickoff return against the Vikings on Nov. 14. The recovery came right after the Vikings had scored two consecutive touchdowns to forge a 31-31 tie, and the Packers went on to get a winning field goal
Williams was signed by the Packers last January and sent to NFL Europe. He went through training camp with Green Bay and was waived in the final round of cuts and then signed to the practice squad on Sept. 15.
He got his opportunity on Nov. 21 when he was elevated to the roster because Najeh Davenport missed the game against the Houston Texans. And when Ahman Green injured his ribs on the first play Williams got his chance to play.
Williams ran for 42 yards in six carries against the Texans, including a 28-yard romp. He seemed on his way to a 100-yard debut, but midway through the second quarter he suffered a high ankle sprain.
Later that week, the Packers placed him on injured reserve.
Still, Williams was happy for the opportunity he got by signing with the Packers' practice squad.
"From talking to them, everything they told me has been right on the money," Williams said. "They told me that here in Green Bay, that's the way they do it. They don't use their practice team like I guess maybe some other teams use them - as just practice dummies, I guess you could say. There are actually people here that are on the practice squad maybe because of numbers or maybe because of money, or just maybe because there's a Pro Bowl player in front of them or whatever it might be.
"But there are quality people here on the practice team. Everybody on the practice team could move up. Look at 'KGB' (Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila). He was on the practice team once here. That's just how it's done here in Green Bay."
Wells was the Packers' seventh-round pick in April but was waived in the final round of cuts. He signed on with the practice squad the following week and was elevated for the fourth game. Wells made his first career start Sunday against Detroit.
"I know that when they put me on practice squad, they brought up the number of the guys who are on the team now that started out on the practice squad," Wells said. "They brought up Kabeer, he was a practice squad guy who went to the Pro Bowl last year. And then they use success stories like Marco, who played a year in the World League and ended up being in the Pro Bowl."
Rivera was never on the practice squad, but he was inactive for all 16 games as a rookie back in 1996. Wells believes that the Packers' record of developing players helps them get some of the better talent available when it comes to signing with a practice squad. Rivera agrees.
"If you're on the practice squad for the Green Bay Packers, you're a pretty good player," Rivera said. "I believe that most of the guys, when you look at former practice-squad players, are pretty good players, Kabeer being one of them. They're loaded with potential and maybe they need another year just to develop. But most of those practice squad players, when they come to Green Bay, they're a pretty good player."
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=284253
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"Practice squads are set two days after the final cuts of training camp, and players count against a team's salary cap. Players can turn down one team's practice squad offer for a better practice squad salary from another team, but once a player signs on with a team's practice squad he's bound to that team until he's either released or if another team signs him to its 53-man roster."
...As I said...salary does matter. Has to be exceeded. Thanks for validating that
...As I said...salary does matter. Has to be exceeded. Thanks for validating that
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trueblue1687 said:...As I said...salary does matter. Has to be exceeded. Thanks for validating that
Salary does matter -- however, very few players turn down the team that cut them for a PS opportunity elsewhere. after all, these guys usually have to take year-long leases on places, etc. Also, players might have be roster spot 54 on the team your are leaving, meaning that you are a torn ACL away from a spot on the active roster - whereas they would be pretty low on the pecking order with their new team since they didn't know the playbook etc. Realistically, if you sign a guy from another team to your PS, the best he can usually hope for is to spend the entire year on the PS.
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abersonc said:
True enough. Simply meant coveting a particular player is moot unless the coveting team exceeds the players current salary. I've read that is something BP has done a few times to ensure players don't get enticed to leave (making it less appealing to other teams to sign them).