Question for the Dak Detractors

Sydla said:
What I am saying is that this idea that it's easier and cheaper to put all these pieces in place around an average QB and harder to just go out and find a better QB might not be accurate.
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It will be harder until 2020.

Right now, moving Collins to G and getting a new RT would fix this line IMO (depending on Fred next year). Grab a vet TE from FA. If we extend Beasley, we're good at WR.

We've seen the list of FA QBs--not a lot of potential there to upgrade. We don't have a #1 in the draft, so the capital to move up a get a top prospect would be astronomical.

In 2020, we'll have a #1 pick and give our 2021 #1 and some change to move to the top and draft Tua, or whomever.
 
sean10mm said:
Code: 
Pos   Cmp Att Cmp%  Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A   Y/G Rate
QB    308 490 62.9 3324 22 4.5  13  2.7  81 6.8 207.8 86.6

Code: 
Pos   Cmp Att Cmp%  Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A   Y/G Rate
QB    292 447 65.3 3231 14 3.1   9  2.0  52 7.2 201.9 88.7

One of these is OMG SO TERRIBLE 2017 Dak, and one of these is the Teddy Bridgewater guy everybody is pining after here for some reason.
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So what you're saying is they are very comparable to each other... Got it...
 
Sydla said:
All true but I think we should also be fair and admit that Aikman played on far better teams than Romo did.

That's not to say Romo was better, I am not saying that. Just saying that this isn't exactly an apples to apples comparison when looking at post season successes.
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As far as balanced, I agree. Most of Aikman's career the team was more balanced, but that doesn't take away from his talent and leadership. Romo blew a few opportunities that conveniently get swept under the rug and has always had the luxury of the surrounding talent excuse.
There was a significant different between the two QBs performances in the games that mattered the most.
 
Denim Chicken said:
It will be harder until 2020.

Right now, moving Collins to G and getting a new RT would fix this line IMO (depending on Fred next year). Grab a vet TE from FA. If we extend Beasley, we're good at WR.

We've seen the list of FA QBs--not a lot of potential there to upgrade. We don't have a #1 in the draft, so the capital to move up a get a top prospect would be astronomical.

In 2020, we'll have a #1 pick and give our 2021 #1 and some change to move to the top and draft Tua, or whomever.
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I guess my larger point here is that it's not easier to take a middling QB, make him the franchise QB for the next 7 years and continually try to make sure the supporting offensive cast around him is always top notch.

When you have a really good QB, they can often compensate for an issue here or there. When you peg your next decade on a QB who is a bus driver, it puts a lot of pressure on the team to make sure everything else is right for him to succeed.

I am hoping that Dak makes this moot and shows over the remainder of this season and next year that he's not just a simple bus driver. It would make life a lot easier for the Cowboys.
 
Streetwise said:
As far as balanced, I agree. Most of Aikman's career the team was more balanced, but that doesn't take away from his talent and leadership. Romo blew a few opportunities that conveniently get swept under the rug and has always had the luxury of the surrounding talent excuse.
There was a significant different between the two QBs performances in the games that mattered the most.
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Nor was that my intention. But it gets tough when you try to pin postseason failures on a QB that played for mediocre coaches and had not so great rosters around him. That's not to slight Aikman who came up big in the postseason and was a great leader, but he got to play for Jimmy Johnson and a loaded roster around him.

Aikman was a better QB plain and simple. But I also think Romo gets a bum rap around here in terms of postseason failures.
 
Sydla said:
Nor was that my intention. But it gets tough when you try to pin postseason failures on a QB that played for mediocre coaches and had not so great rosters around him. That's not to slight Aikman who came up big in the postseason and was a great leader, but he got to play for Jimmy Johnson and a loaded roster around him.
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That's not what I said. Romo failed to pull through on a few occasions. This excludes "not having a good enough O line, RB, drops, missed blocks, poor coaching etc....."
 
Streetwise said:
That's not what I said. Romo failed to pull through on a few occasions. This excludes "not having a good enough O line, RB, drops, missed blocks, poor coaching etc....."
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Romo certainly had his own issues but I still contend his lack of postseason success over the years was more tied to flawed rosters and mediocre coaching than just Romo himself.
 
Sydla said:
Romo certainly had his own issues but I still contend his lack of postseason success over the years was more tied to flawed rosters and mediocre coaching than just Romo himself.
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That's the part that is certainly debatable. But again, he owns his sole mistakes.
 
Sydla said:
They needed more than Frederick back. They just traded a #1 pick for a WR that they are going to now have to pay $15MM a year. And they probably could still use another WR. And then we have the wasteland that is TE. Further, we may need a LT as well.

What I am saying is that this idea that it's easier and cheaper to put all these pieces in place around an average QB and harder to just go out and find a better QB might not be accurate.
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When he has solid players around him he is anything but average. His record shows that and his QB rating shows that. Just because a bunch of trolls like you are pissed he isn't Tom Brady.

Imagine what he could do in a year or two with great coaching. Poor kid has been coached by the biggest offensive morons in football.

As if the kid is even fully developed. Romo was riding the bench in year #3. Just another example of how guys like you simply don't understand the QB position.

Any fool can complain our QB isn't Tom Brady. I heard the same BS for 10 years about Romo. It was dumb then and its dumb now.
 
OmerV said:
I agree. He's in his 4th NFL season and hasn't yet had even one quality NFL season. Who knows if he would have without the injury, but the fact remains that he hasn't.
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He's only had two NFL seasons and they were both quality for what was asked of him. Not sure what you mean.
 
Sydla said:
They needed more than Frederick back. They just traded a #1 pick for a WR that they are going to now have to pay $15MM a year. And they probably could still use another WR. And then we have the wasteland that is TE. Further, we may need a LT as well.

What I am saying is that this idea that it's easier and cheaper to put all these pieces in place around an average QB and harder to just go out and find a better QB might not be accurate.
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The cap is 200m...... it is not relevant anymore
 
Brax said:
the difference between Dak and Romo was that Romo made the players around him better, The players around Dak make him better and that is the problem, no Dak hate or Romo love just happens to be the way it is. So far neither has done much in the play-offs .
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Romo wasn't completely Romo in his 3rd year. What was his stats those 3 years
 
QuincyCarterEra said:
He's only had two NFL seasons and they were both quality for what was asked of him. Not sure what you mean.
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14 TD's from a starting QB is not a quality NFL season. I won't dispute that he may have been capable of more, but the reality is we don't know that. Whether because of a limitation on his part, or the team putting limits on him, that hasn't been proven. And then there is the fact that he is 3 years removed from his last gig as a starting QB. He has only thrown 3 regular season passes since 2015.
 
Nightman said:
Dak is only 25..... he is a pup.... a puppy with big paws but still a pup
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No doubt but my point is folks are saying what all these other QBs are but that's their entire career. Of course Dak isn't on that level yet but doesn't mean he can't
 
SuspectCorner said:
Gee, it sure seems like Tony Romo was a solid contender for NFL MVP back in 2014. I guess that award routinely sees second-tier QBs receiving consideration.
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He should have won it over Rodgers. Romo was there a few times but the media perception kept him from winning it
 
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