Question for the Dak Detractors

[tyke1doe]

My song for 2020

Come home, come home
Please Tua, Tua come home
Loudly and boisterously
Dallas is calling
Calling on Tua come home

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

14 TD's from a starting QB is not a quality NFL season. I won't dispute that he may have been capable of more, but the reality is we don't know that. Whether because of a limitation on his part, or the team putting limits on him, that hasn't been proven. And then there is the fact that he is 3 years removed from his last gig as a starting QB. He has only thrown 3 regular season passes since 2015.

He averaged 7.2 and 7.3 yards per attempt, that's NFL starter quality.

"Three years removed from a starting gig"..... He was injured the first two years then traded for a 3rd to now be behind one of the best QBs of all time. Both that and the amount of attempts he's had don't detract from him in the slightest.

Did you not know he was injured? That would be the only reason you'd bring those up.

 

[Gator88]

Look harder. Aikman was a fantastic leader who demanded everyone around him to be great.

Ah, so the impossible to measure leadership. Aikman had the benefit of playing for a quality coach and supporting cast for the majority of his career. Different circumstances that can't be compared.

In win or go home games including the postseason, it's not even close. He was a finisher and stepped it up. Romo has a list of bad outings late season and win or go home games. I've watched every game from both players. Aikman is a HOFer, Romo had nice regular season games and didn't pull through with opportunities.

And here is the wins!!1! argument, nice one. Let's just compare how the two performed in playoff games, since win or go home games is an arbritrary made up term that isn't even consistent. If you want to define it and use the same consistent measurement from both QBs, we can do that, but usually it's just a cherry picked collection of what will make Romo look the worst.

Aikman average playoff game - 20 completions on 31 attempts for 241 yards. 63.7 completion %, 1.44 TDs and 1 int. 7.7 Y/A.

Romo average playoff game - 19 completions on 31 attempts for 219 yards. 61.8 completion %, 1.33 TDs and .3 int 7.1 Y/A.

Aikman did perform better by a decent margin taking into account era, but this doesn't take into account coaching and teammates. Let's compare all of Aikman's playoff performances when he had a comparable supporting cast to what Romo had his entire career, all playoff games post 1996.

Aikman's average playoff game - 22 completions on 44 attempts for 239 yards. 50.6 completion % 0.5 TDs and 2 int. 5.5 Y/A.
(comparable supporting cast)

You can ignore how Aikman played on teams that were miles ahead of what Romo played on, but context matters.

 

[G2]

Ah, so the impossible to measure leadership. Aikman had the benefit of playing for a quality coach and supporting cast for the majority of his career. Different circumstances that can't be compared.



And here is the wins!!1! argument, nice one. Let's just compare how the two performed in playoff games, since win or go home games is an arbritrary made up term that isn't even consistent. If you want to define it and use the same consistent measurement from both QBs, we can do that, but usually it's just a cherry picked collection of what will make Romo look the worst.

Aikman average playoff game - 20 completions on 31 attempts for 241 yards. 63.7 completion %, 1.44 TDs and 1 int. 7.7 Y/A.

Romo average playoff game - 19 completions on 31 attempts for 219 yards. 61.8 completion %, 1.33 TDs and .3 int 7.1 Y/A.

Aikman did perform better by a decent margin taking into account era, but this doesn't take into account coaching and teammates. Let's compare all of Aikman's playoff performances when he had a comparable supporting cast to what Romo had his entire career, all playoff games post 1996.

Aikman's average playoff game - 22 completions on 44 attempts for 239 yards. 50.6 completion % 0.5 TDs and 2 int. 5.5 Y/A.
(comparable supporting cast)

You can ignore how Aikman played on teams that were miles ahead of what Romo played on, but context matters.

Right. Romo is a victim of his teams and his contributions mean nothing. Lmao.

 

[Gator88]

Right. Romo is a victim of his teams and his contributions mean nothing. Lmao.

Sure, Romo's teams never won anything because they had terrible defenses and coaching. Just like Aikman's teams never won anything when they were in similar circumstances. Ergo, similar QB talents.

 

[OmerV]

He averaged 7.2 and 7.3 yards per attempt, that's NFL starter quality.

"Three years removed from a starting gig"..... He was injured the first two years then traded for a 3rd to now be behind one of the best QBs of all time. Both that and the amount of attempts he's had don't detract from him in the slightest.

Did you not know he was injured? That would be the only reason you'd bring those up.

So, putting points on the board doesn’t matter, and a ratio of 22 INTs to 28 TDs doesn’t matter? It too him 2 seasons to get as many TDs as high quality QBs get in 1 season - and that doesn’t even count elite QBs who, over just 1 season might beat his 2 year total by 10-15. And, again the Int to TD ratio is terrible. He threw the same number of INTs in 28 career starts as Dak Prescott has in 43 career starts, and with 30 fewer TD passes.

And yes, being 3 years removed from playing does matter because it means a team that is deciding whether to sign him has no evidence of what he can do in game situations today. Of course that doesn’t change whatever he did or didn’t do 3 years ago, but after sitting out 3 years there is an element of uncertainty about what he can do today.

 

[Falco78]

None of them, the guy is a baller

 

[Cowboysfan917]

I think everyone should take a looks at the Jags... that’s potentially us in a few years. Once the talent eroded and the defense can’t overcome Dak(after we have paid him).

 

[iceberg]

The intention is for this not to be another typical Dak thread. This is for the contingent fans that are ready to move on from Prescott as the QB of the Dallas Cowboys. Instead of debating Dak’s merits (or lack thereof) again, let’s operate under the supposition that we’re moving on, as that is the cry from so many.

So, the question is how do you do so and who is the target. Obviously the two options that exist are free agency and the draft.

2019 Free agents QBs: ................ 2019 probable Draft QBs:

Tyrod Taylor ........................ Justin Herbert, Oregon.
Josh McCown ........................ Drew Lock, Missouri.
Teddy Bridgewater ........................ Will Grier, West Virginia.
Ryan Fitzpatrick ........................ Dwayne Haskins, Ohio State.
Robert Griffin III ........................ Ryan Finley, NC State.
Derek Anderson ........................ Clayton Thorson, Northwestern.
Geno Smith ........................ Jarrett Stidham, Auburn.
Brock Osweiler ........................ Tyree Jackson, Buffalo.
Matt Barkley
Tom Savage
Taylor Heinicke
Brett Hundley
Trevor Siemian

Obviously some of the Draft picks will be out of reach without our #1 pick. Additionally, you can pretty much guarantee you’re not going to win a championship with a rookie. It’s an investment that takes time.

On the FA front, there may be a few QBs that are available with a trade. Possible Carr, maybe Winston.

So what’s the plan ladies & gentlemen?

i'll play as intended.

not a bridgewater fan. i see he's lighting it up early but i'm just not. but in looking at your list, there just isn't much out there that "readily" available. and i'd agree, a rookie *now* could be a detriment short term. are we building short or long term or some hybrid?

we're deep into year 3 and dak still has trouble reading defenses and still holds onto the ball too long. if those were going to be fixed, they would have by now since he is the starter. i had a long paragraph about what i don't like about dak but this isn't that thread, so i nuked it.

what back ups are out there we could possibly trade for? dunno if any are worthy of a 2nd but if we did trade a 2nd per se then our 1st 2 picks of next year are for QB and WR. while i was in agony about cooper, he's come in showing why we gave up a #1 and has been a legit player so far. so i really can't answer this question and if i had to pick someone on this list, bridgewater would likely be the one, but it's with reservations.

 

[Parcells4Life]

He’s missed kill shots down the sideline the last 2 weeks in the 4th. Those are throws you have to make.

He fumbles like Chad Hutchinson.

 

[Cebrin]

I'm constantly enamored, and annoyed by Dak. If he had proper coaching, he'd be a stud.

 

[SuspectCorner]

They say 1st tier qbs makes teams go to the playoffs. Yet say Tony Romo is a 1st tier qb. Then when you ask them why we could never win in the playoffs....their brains melt.

No, their brains DON'T melt. They merely immediately harken back to the pathetic defenses that spat out leads quicker than Secretariat ran the Belmont. But nice try.

 

[black label]

this dood is a monster 13 points is brady esk

 

[Hoofbite]

If Bridgewater didn't cost a ton I would bring him in to compete with Dak.

That being said I think Dak is a franchise QB and needs more weapons. Funny guys like Wentz only play bad because they don't have weapons and then the team gets him a number 1 receiver and things change. Goff is another example with coaching being the best change for him and drafting a guy like Kupp.

Not sure why Dak isn't afforded the same as other QBs and it's just him as being the problem.

Top OL, top RB, legit #1 WR, and a good defense isn't enough?

I like Dak, but come on. He needs more help?

 

[SuspectCorner]

All true but I think we should also be fair and admit that Aikman played on far better teams than Romo did.

That's not to say Romo was better, I am not saying that. Just saying that this isn't exactly an apples to apples comparison when looking at post season successes.

I watched both players and don't mind telling you that Romo was the better passer. There is a REASON Romo holds almost every team passing record.

he was simply the better QB - and if he'd enjoyed the kind of teams Aikman played with... well, I'll just assume you can add two plus two.

 

[Willfreedom909]

No, their brains DON'T melt. They merely immediately harken back to the pathetic defenses that spat out leads quicker than Secretariat ran the Belmont. But nice try.

2007 defense had 50+ sacks.

 

[zekecowboy]

The intention is for this not to be another typical Dak thread. This is for the contingent fans that are ready to move on from Prescott as the QB of the Dallas Cowboys. Instead of debating Dak’s merits (or lack thereof) again, let’s operate under the supposition that we’re moving on, as that is the cry from so many.

So, the question is how do you do so and who is the target. Obviously the two options that exist are free agency and the draft.

Myself, I would draft a quarterback in first round of 2020. Franchise tag Dak for a year.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Top OL, top RB, legit #1 WR, and a good defense isn't enough?

I like Dak, but come on. He needs more help?

Haha you think we have a top OL? And yes he needs a TE. Why is it folks are ok with other QBs getting weapons but when it comes to Dak he isn't allowed that.