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I see most everyone here in the Zone wants an upgrade at center going into 2012. Why would this coaching staff go into another season having added key components to the team both in coaches and players but have complete faith in Costa to anchor the middle of the line; unless he is very capable? I'm trying to wrap my head around just what this coaching staff is seeing that most here are not when it comes to Costa.
 
Blast From The Past;4618638 said:
I see most everyone here in the Zone wants an upgrade at center going into 2012. Why would this coaching staff go into another season having added key components to the team both in coaches and players but have complete faith in Costa to anchor the middle of the line; unless he is very capable? I'm trying to wrap my head around just what this coaching staff is seeing that most here are not when it comes to Costa.

Because the coaches aren't concerned with what the board experts say. And Romo can see up the middle and is quick to move around in the pocket.
 
Blast From The Past;4618638 said:
I see most everyone here in the Zone wants an upgrade at center going into 2012. Why would this coaching staff go into another season having added key components to the team both in coaches and players but have complete faith in Costa to anchor the middle of the line; unless he is very capable? I'm trying to wrap my head around just what this coaching staff is seeing that most here are not when it comes to Costa.


Costa got tossed into the fire probably a little earlier than he should've due to Garrett wanting to shake up the o-line. Yes, he struggled but I like his chances of improving with Callahan coaching him up.
 
Blast From The Past;4618638 said:
I see most everyone here in the Zone wants an upgrade at center going into 2012. Why would this coaching staff go into another season having added key components to the team both in coaches and players but have complete faith in Costa to anchor the middle of the line; unless he is very capable? I'm trying to wrap my head around just what this coaching staff is seeing that most here are not when it comes to Costa.

They're seeing the same thing they saw last offseason, which amounts to squadoosh.
 
Blast From The Past;4618638 said:
I'm trying to wrap my head around just what this coaching staff is seeing that most here are not when it comes to Costa.
The coaches see everything. All we see is fan speculation.
 
Blast From The Past;4618638 said:
I see most everyone here in the Zone wants an upgrade at center going into 2012. Why would this coaching staff go into another season having added key components to the team both in coaches and players but have complete faith in Costa to anchor the middle of the line; unless he is very capable? I'm trying to wrap my head around just what this coaching staff is seeing that most here are not when it comes to Costa.

Because the coaches thought Costa would be OK last year and he wasn't. They cut Gurode without having an adequate replacement for him which is downright stupidity. There were viable FAs available both last year and this year but they didn't go after any of them opting instead to go with Costa and Kowalski, two completely unproven players.

They obviously see something in Costa that appeals to them but we have yet to see that translated to the field of play on a consistent basis.

The assumption is that the coaching staff knows what they are doing (that's what they get paid for)but sometimes they don't, sometimes, believe it or not, the fans can see things that the coaches can't. It's rare but it's true. Coaches can get stupid about certain players or positions and get locked into a set pattern of thinking that blinds them to reality. I don't know why it happens but it does. We saw it with Tom Landry in a number of cases and we see it in every coach over the years.

Sometimes they get so set on having a guy that meets a particular set of criteria (size, speed, quickness, long arms, big hands, fat keaster, red hair, whatever) that they are blinded to the player's limitations on the field of play. Landry liked players at a certain size for each position and passed on guys that were better players because they didn't fit his ideal for that position. At RB, for instance, he finally broke from the mold when we drafted Calvin Hill and we had our first 1000-yard runner.

I am sure Garrett has his own strange criteria for players that works most of the time but not always, and unless he is willing to let go of it and see things clearly, without the filters of his criteria, we will continue to see the poor judgement like with Costa last season. Hopefully the addition of Callahan will help alleviate that condition and Costa will improve dramatically this year. :pray:
 
THUMPER;4618785 said:
Because the coaches thought Costa would be OK last year and he wasn't. They cut Gurode without having an adequate replacement for him which is downright stupidity. There were viable FAs available both last year and this year but they didn't go after any of them opting instead to go with Costa and Kowalski, two completely unproven players.

They obviously see something in Costa that appeals to them but we have yet to see that translated to the field of play on a consistent basis.

The assumption is that the coaching staff knows what they are doing (that's what they get paid for)but sometimes they don't, sometimes, believe it or not, the fans can see things that the coaches can't. It's rare but it's true. Coaches can get stupid about certain players or positions and get locked into a set pattern of thinking that blinds them to reality. I don't know why it happens but it does. We saw it with Tom Landry in a number of cases and we see it in every coach over the years.

Sometimes they get so set on having a guy that meets a particular set of criteria (size, speed, quickness, long arms, big hands, fat keaster, red hair, whatever) that they are blinded to the player's limitations on the field of play. Landry liked players at a certain size for each position and passed on guys that were better players because they didn't fit his ideal for that position. At RB, for instance, he finally broke from the mold when we drafted Calvin Hill and we had our first 1000-yard runner.

I am sure Garrett has his own strange criteria for players that works most of the time but not always, and unless he is willing to let go of it and see things clearly, without the filters of his criteria, we will continue to see the poor judgement like with Costa last season. Hopefully the addition of Callahan will help alleviate that condition and Costa will improve dramatically this year. :pray:

So what you're saying is that our coaches watch film and can't pick up what you think you see from your chair? I'm not trying to belittle you Thumper but I have a hard time believeing people really think this.
 
I saw Costa looking remarkably similar to Gurode when he first came along: he looked like an idiot too and if you recall was actually a better guard early on. Looking back, Costa's mistakes looked like he was in a daze at times...maybe a little overwhelmed by the game?? I never thought he was absolutely dominated by the opposition tho, although he had his moments there too. To be honest, I expected to land a vet center by now, but I'll wait until the first round of cuts to officially give up on that idea.
 
I am not 100% certain the coaches are satisfied with Costa if they had plans to look at Nagy and Bernadeau at Center this TC. Bernadeau likely will not be looked at after his surgery, but Nagy still might be. I think Costa is in a wrong position to feel comfortable. If he does, and I kind of doubt he does.
 
I think coaches just tend to be more patient with players than fans. Coaches spend hours on end, in meetings and practice. The get a feel for what they think a player is capable of and not willing to cast them aside as quickly as fans. Based on comments during the off season the Cowboys do intend for players to compete for the job and would not be surprised to see Costa at this moment penciled in as the training camp starter but I do think he will have to out perform others if he hopes to be the opening day starter.
 
trueblue1687;4618816 said:
I saw Costa looking remarkably similar to Gurode when he first came along: he looked like an idiot too and if you recall was actually a better guard early on. Looking back, Costa's mistakes looked like he was in a daze at times...maybe a little overwhelmed by the game?? I never thought he was absolutely dominated by the opposition tho, although he had his moments there too. To be honest, I expected to land a vet center by now, but I'll wait until the first round of cuts to officially give up on that idea.

you clearly are not someone who really watched the games in 2002 when Gurode was a rookie starting at center. He was definitely better as a center then he ever was as a guard
 
THis coaching staff thought Alan Ball was the answer at safety.
This coaching staff thought Costus a season was capable of starting last year and doing ok.

This despite an entire training camp to see what he had or did not have.

So anyone saying
"The coaches think so and therefore we should not question them"

are full of crap
 
Blast From The Past;4618638 said:
I see most everyone here in the Zone wants an upgrade at center going into 2012. Why would this coaching staff go into another season having added key components to the team both in coaches and players but have complete faith in Costa to anchor the middle of the line; unless he is very capable? I'm trying to wrap my head around just what this coaching staff is seeing that most here are not when it comes to Costa.

how do you know they have complete faith in Costa? because they didn't reach for a center in the draft? and addressed obvious defensive needs? because there was no FA centers to go after?

prior to draft and FA these were the areas of need on the team

Guard (2)
Center
FB
DE
OLB
MLB
Saftey
CB


we addressed most. you can't address all. but part of Costa's issues was also with poor guard play next to him. he is not the greatest, but when both guards sucked as bad as they did. it only highlighted the weakness at center.
 
JerryFan;4618792 said:
So what you're saying is that our coaches watch film and can't pick up what you think you see from your chair? I'm not trying to belittle you Thumper but I have a hard time believeing people really think this.


I am sure the coaches saw it, but they were hamstrung by what the GM gave them to work with.

We all saw in preseason a few years back that Brad Johnson's arm was shot. Sure enough, Romo goes down and it confirms what everyone was thinking on this board: He was done.
 
THUMPER;4618785 said:
Because the coaches thought Costa would be OK last year and he wasn't. They cut Gurode without having an adequate replacement for him which is downright stupidity. There were viable FAs available both last year and this year but they didn't go after any of them opting instead to go with Costa and Kowalski, two completely unproven players.

Keep in mind the whole "viable FA" thing really doesn't hold water for last season because free agency didn't even occur until a couple days before training camp due to the lock-out.

At that point no one knew how bad Gurode's physical condition was. Keep in mind he had surgery in June and the Cowboys were expecting him to be the "Gurode of old" come the beginning of training camp.

Well it wasn't the "Gurode of old". It was more like the "Gurode of the very old".

He was shot physically. He was way overweight and couldn't move. And at that point free agency had concluded. He of course was cut and went on to stink up in Baltimore... Worse than Costa.
 
JerryFan;4618792 said:
So what you're saying is that our coaches watch film and can't pick up what you think you see from your chair? I'm not trying to belittle you Thumper but I have a hard time believeing people really think this.


We thump our chest and think we are better than the Coaches, but surely we don't believe it.
 

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