Question regarding Ro suspension

[erod]

As we know, Rolando McClain failed a drug test, which led to a forfeiture of his first four games' pay. Then, in true Ro form, he failed another drug test, which made sure he wouldn't have to play those four games for free.

This weekend I heard it bandied about on the radio that one might not cancel out the other. They questioned if Ro will now sit out four games on suspension, then still play the next four games without getting paid.

Anyone heard clarification on this?

 

[guag]

That's interesting, didn't consider that it might work out that way. If so, I wonder if he'll suddenly be "injured" beginning week 5.

 

[xwalker]

As we know, Rolando McClain failed a drug test, which led to a forfeiture of his first four games' pay. Then, in true Ro form, he failed another drug test, which made sure he wouldn't have to play those four games for free.

This weekend I heard it bandied about on the radio that one might not cancel out the other. They questioned if Ro will now sit out four games on suspension, then still play the next four games without getting paid.

Anyone heard clarification on this?

All players that I remember being suspended, only lost the money from the games that they missed; however, players like Scandrick were immediately suspended. He was never going to miss game checks for a 1st failed test and then be suspended for a 2nd test as far as I can remember.

What is the difference between Scandrick and McClain? Despite really being a recreational drug, I think the drug Scandrick took is considered a performance enhancing drug by the NFL.

I don't think McClain intentionally failed the test because he was not going to get paid anyway. I think he failed the 2nd test because they test far more often after the 1st failure. I would not be surprised if he didn't actually fail, but just didn't show up for the test.

 

[21Savage]

All players that I remember being suspended, only lost the money from the games that they missed; however, players like Scandrick were immediately suspended. He was never going to miss game checks for a 1st failed test and then be suspended for a 2nd test as far as I can remember.

What is the difference between Scandrick and McClain? Despite really being a recreational drug, I think the drug Scandrick took is considered a performance enhancing drug by the NFL.

I don't think McClain intentionally failed the test because he was not going to get paid anyway. I think he failed the 2nd test because they test far more often after the 1st failure. I would not be surprised if he didn't actually fail, but just didn't show up for the test.

The Molly Scandrick too was cut with amphetamines which were a plain PED under the old policy but is now a substance during the offseason and PED during the season. That was why they had a deal and cut his suspension in half.

I'm actually in the camp that says Ro failed it on purpose (or didn't show up or whatever) so not to play for free.

 

[AbeBeta]

All players that I remember being suspended, only lost the money from the games that they missed; however, players like Scandrick were immediately suspended. He was never going to miss game checks for a 1st failed test and then be suspended for a 2nd test as far as I can remember.

What is the difference between Scandrick and McClain? Despite really being a recreational drug, I think the drug Scandrick took is considered a performance enhancing drug by the NFL.

I don't think McClain intentionally failed the test because he was not going to get paid anyway. I think he failed the 2nd test because they test far more often after the 1st failure. I would not be surprised if he didn't actually fail, but just didn't show up for the test.

What Scandrick took was considered performance enhancing. Then the policy changed to more correctly consider it recreational.

I'm not sure your interpretation of the # of failed tests is correct. First failed test gets you in the program. Second is missing a game check. Third is four game checks. Fourth is a four game suspension. Fifth is 10 games. Sixth is 16 games.

I do know that everyone is tested once a year, whether in the program or not (hilariously, some joker in the league office set that test date as 4/20 each year). Once in the program players are tested more frequently. I'm not sure that the tests would be any more frequent between the second and third offenses as it does between zero and one.

 

[AbeBeta]

The Molly Scandrick too was cut with amphetamines which were a plain PED under the old policy but is now a substance during the offseason and PED during the season. That was why they had a deal and cut his suspension in half.

I'm actually in the camp that says Ro failed it on purpose (or didn't show up or whatever) so not to play for free.

Molly metabolizes to amphetamine. It doesn't have to be cut with amphetamine to show up as such.

Scandricks suspension was not cut in half. He was punished under the new policy which meant his suspension was over and he entered stage 1 of the recreational diversion program.

 

[xwalker]

The Molly Scandrick too was cut with amphetamines which were a plain PED under the old policy but is now a substance during the offseason and PED during the season. That was why they had a deal and cut his suspension in half.

I'm actually in the camp that says Ro failed it on purpose (or didn't show up or whatever) so not to play for free.

Where do they do the testing in the offseason? Does somebody show up at his house? If he has to go somewhere, then it's not a random test.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

So someone explain to me how there is a policy in place that penalizes the person by allowing him to PLAY for FREE? I cannot imagine ANY player would want to do that. Especially in a sport as physically demanding as football!

 

[Nightman]

As we know, Rolando McClain failed a drug test, which led to a forfeiture of his first four games' pay. Then, in true Ro form, he failed another drug test, which made sure he wouldn't have to play those four games for free.

This weekend I heard it bandied about on the radio that one might not cancel out the other. They questioned if Ro will now sit out four games on suspension, then still play the next four games without getting paid.

Anyone heard clarification on this?

It seems like he will have to play the first 4 for free and then he sit 4 more games for free.

Otherwise he is skipping the 4 game fine.

 

[Aven8]

Just an old country boy lighting up a doobie while fishing is all.

 

[speedkilz88]

It seems like he will have to play the first 4 for free and then he sit 4 more games for free.

Otherwise he is skipping the 4 game fine.

That's how I see it, but the 4 game suspension would end up superseding the game check fine and be served first.

 

[AbeBeta]

It seems like he will have to play the first 4 for free and then he sit 4 more games for free.

Otherwise he is skipping the 4 game fine.

I expect the new penalty trumps the older one. For example, if he had another positive test, I expect his suspension would be simply 10 games, not the first 4 plus 10.

 

[Nightman]

I expect the new penalty trumps the older one. For example, if he had another positive test, I expect his suspension would be simply 10 games, not the first 4 plus 10.

I don't know. That would be a huge benefit to the player.

He may have to sit the first 4 games without pay AND play the next 4 for free.

 

[Nightman]

As we know, Rolando McClain failed a drug test, which led to a forfeiture of his first four games' pay. Then, in true Ro form, he failed another drug test, which made sure he wouldn't have to play those four games for free.

This weekend I heard it bandied about on the radio that one might not cancel out the other. They questioned if Ro will now sit out four games on suspension, then still play the next four games without getting paid.

Anyone heard clarification on this?

How much would he be fined for the first 4 games is another question. His base salary is only 750k, so 1/4th of that would be 187k. He is due almost 100k per game played but that technically wouldn't be a fine, just a missed incentive.

 

[AbeBeta]

I don't know. That would be a huge benefit to the player.

He may have to sit the first 4 games without pay AND play the next 4 for free.

I doubt Ro sees it that way. He's lost 4 games of bonus (close too 400k) and any shot at most escalators. If he played 75% of the snaps - not an outrageous amount he'd get 750k + 250k if he hit those snaps and we got to the playoffs. 65% would have earned 250k and 70% 500k.

Clearly missing those games is a much bigger penalty than 4 weeks of salary - a smidge under 200k.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Just an old country boy lighting up a doobie while fishing is all.

 

[Nightman]

I've asked a couple writers on Twitter but haven't got any clarification on this.