Video: Quick Film Session on Dallas Cowboys DeMarcus Lawrence

[adbutcher]

 

[Teague31]

If the film session is looking for impact plays I imagine it will be quite short

 

[dallasdave]

If the film session is looking for impact plays I imagine it will be quite short

Not a long highlight reel.

 

[Stash]

If the film session is looking for impact plays I imagine it will be quite short

That along with time travel back several years to find him near opposing quarterbacks.

Oh, but "run defense" is quoted, again, and again, and again.

I think we all know the deal with this guy.

He's been a disappointment up to this point and he and the Cowboys need for him to turn it around. Not much more to it than that.

 

[dallasdave]

That along with time travel back several years to find him near opposing quarterbacks.

Oh, but "run defense" is quoted, again, and again, and again.

I think we all know the deal with this guy.

He's been a disappointment up to this point and he and the Cowboys need for him to turn it around. Not much more to it than that.

He needs to prove himself or go down the road.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Tools are there. Needs to put it together for a full season. Be more consistent.

 

[DeaconMoss]

Hate to say it, but I wonder if Irving and DLaw show tendencies and not consistencies depending on which "cycle" they are on

 

[gimmesix]

He's been a disappointment up to this point and he and the Cowboys need for him to turn it around. Not much more to it than that.

Overall, I agree with you. The second half of 2015 certainly was not disappointing, though. That's his career up to this point, which is too little to show for three years in the league, even if two of those years have been plagued by injuries.

 

[pugilist]

this franchise is just not good at evaluating defensive talent, they just aren't.. for as good as they are at evaluating offensive (particularly offensive line) talent, they are equally bad on the defensive side

couple that with their bargain bin philosophy along the d-line and you're going to be underwhelmed

 

[Stash]

Overall, I agree with you. The second half of 2015 certainly was not disappointing, though. That's his career up to this point, which is too little to show for three years in the league, even if two of those years have been plagued by injuries.

My thinking is this. Let's see him do something without Greg Hardy drawing all of the opponents' attention on the other side. I'll believe it when I see that.

 

[gimmesix]

My thinking is this. Let's see him do something without Greg Hardy drawing all of the opponents' attention on the other side. I'll believe it when I see that.

Depends on what you are expecting him to do. If you expect him to repeat his 2015 second half without someone drawing the opponents' attention, I don't think that's likely. If he's our only consistent pass rusher, then teams are going to scheme to stop him with chips and double teams.

If we establish another consistent pass rushing threat, then he'll certainly be a disappointment if he doesn't play similarly to what he did in 2015. If we don't establish another consistent pass rushing threat, then he'll be a disappointment if he doesn't have some early success that causes teams to give him extra attention. Then it will be up to the other pass rushers to take advantage of that like he did when he had Hardy on the other side.

 

[CCBoy]

Tools are there. Needs to put it together for a full season. Be more consistent.

His back needs to hang in there...but he has worked hard on conditioning and personal strengths. He showed once that he has NFL talent, and then has been injured. But he isn't another Claiborne...as he has shown top level play when not significantly injured. I want a healthy and strong camp for him...and then we'll see if he makes a case for his own destiny.

 

[Stash]

Depends on what you are expecting him to do. If you expect him to repeat his 2015 second half without someone drawing the opponents' attention, I don't think that's likely. If he's our only consistent pass rusher, then teams are going to scheme to stop him with chips and double teams.

But he's not that guy. Never has been.

When teams gameplay against the Cowboys defense, you have to look pretty far down the list to find Lawrence's name.

1 sack for all of 2016. Not a factor.

If we establish another consistent pass rushing threat, then he'll certainly be a disappointment if he doesn't play similarly to what he did in 2015. If we don't establish another consistent pass rushing threat, then he'll be a disappointment if he doesn't have some early success that causes teams to give him extra attention. Then it will be up to the other pass rushers to take advantage of that like he did when he had Hardy on the other side.

Let him do his job, without having to worry about what anyone else is or isn't doing. Nearly everyone on the defensive line outperformed him. He needs to play catch-up to salvage his career.

 

[gimmesix]

But he's not that guy. Never has been.

When teams gameplay against the Cowboys defense, you have to look pretty far down the list to find Lawrence's name.

1 sack for all of 2016. Not a factor.



Let him do his job, without having to worry about what anyone else is or isn't doing. Nearly everyone on the defensive line outperformed him. He needs to play catch-up to salvage his career.

I agree that he wasn't a factor in 2016. I'd be stupid not to. But for me it's all about if he can be what he was in 2015.

You seem to think he can't without Hardy, and this is where we disagree and I don't agree with you that he has never been that guy. He would have been Hardy the second half of 2015, but because we had Hardy, he was instead a guy that produced seven of his eight sacks over the final nine games after adjusting to left end. If Hardy had not been on the other side, defenses would have adjusted to slow Lawrence and would have continued to do that if Lawrence had been the only threat.

His job is to be enough of a threat to either beat one-on-one blocking or tie up two blockers. If he does that, then his year will be a success no matter the sack numbers. He was a disruptive player the second half of 2015, he was that guy, and he needs to be it again.

 

[Stash]

I agree that he wasn't a factor in 2016. I'd be stupid not to. But for me it's all about if he can be what he was in 2015.

You seem to think he can't without Hardy, and this is where we disagree and I don't agree with you that he has never been that guy. He would have been Hardy the second half of 2015, but because we had Hardy, he was instead a guy that produced seven of his eight sacks over the final nine games after adjusting to left end. If Hardy had not been on the other side, defenses would have adjusted to slow Lawrence and would have continued to do that if Lawrence had been the only threat.

As soon as you can point to a time when Lawrence was productive without Greg Hardy demanding all of the attention from opposing offenses, you'll have a point.

His job is to be enough of a threat to either beat one-on-one blocking or tie up two blockers. If he does that, then his year will be a success no matter the sack numbers. He was a disruptive player the second half of 2015, he was that guy, and he needs to be it again.

He "was that guy" because Hardy was on the other side. He hasn't been "that guy" before Hardy, and he hasn't been "that guy" since. And those are the cold, hard, facts of the matter.

And fans can talk about whatever else they want in an attempt to make excuses for disappointing play. But that's all that they are, excuses.

He either produces sack numbers this year or he can try to catch on with another team in 2018. It's no more complicated than that.

 

[gimmesix]

As soon as you can point to a time when Lawrence was productive without Greg Hardy demanding all of the attention from opposing offenses, you'll have a point.



He "was that guy" because Hardy was on the other side. He hasn't been "that guy" before Hardy, and he hasn't been "that guy" since. And those are the cold, hard, facts of the matter.

And fans can talk about whatever else they want in an attempt to make excuses for disappointing play. But that's all that they are, excuses.

He either produces sack numbers this year or he can try to catch on with another team in 2018. It's no more complicated than that.

So he gets no credit at all for being a fully disruptive player in 2015? He gets no credit at all for being able to beat the player in front of him and get to the quarterback or affect the running play?

It wasn't the lack of Hardy across from him that didn't make Lawrence good last year. It won't be the lack of Hardy across from him that doesn't make him good this year, either. Either he's good enough to beat his man or he's not.

You seem to complete hinge his play on Hardy, but Hardy wasn't carrying him into backfields. Yes, he was drawing doubles, but Lawrence still had his job to do and he did it very, very well. That will be his responsibility this year, whether it results in pressures and sacks or whether it results in double-teams giving other players the chance to apply pressure and get sacks.

The one thing we can agree on is either he produces sacks in bunches or he's gone. That might not necessarily be fair if he's drawing all the double teams, but that's the standard for his position, especially since he hasn't earned a new contract with only a half-season of standout play.

 

[Stash]

So he gets no credit at all for being a fully disruptive player in 2015? He gets no credit at all for being able to beat the player in front of him and get to the quarterback or affect the running play?

He "gets credit" for his one good year, a year opposite Greg Hardy. Nothing more, nothing less. But the fact is that he will never had Hardy on the other side again, and to date, he hasn't shown the ability to be a factor without Hardy.

It wasn't the lack of Hardy across from him that didn't make Lawrence good last year. It won't be the lack of Hardy across from him that doesn't make him good this year, either. Either he's good enough to beat his man or he's not.

All evidence to the contrary. His one good year was with Hardy on the opposite side. Deal with that fact.

You seem to complete hinge his play on Hardy, but Hardy wasn't carrying him into backfields. Yes, he was drawing doubles, but Lawrence still had his job to do and he did it very, very well. That will be his responsibility this year, whether it results in pressures and sacks or whether it results in double-teams giving other players the chance to apply pressure and get sacks.

Because it did. His own defensive coordinator Ro Marinelli even acknowledged that fact. You need to go tell the coach he's wrong too.

The one thing we can agree on is either he produces sacks in bunches or he's gone. That might not necessarily be fair if he's drawing all the double teams, but that's the standard for his position, especially since he hasn't earned a new contract with only a half-season of standout play.

What it clearly reads like is that you're already trying to make excuses for the guy. Nobody will be "double teaming" a one-sack, non-factor like Lawrence. He's shown to be no threat and certainly not deserving of any extra attention.

He gets sacks or he gets out. No excuses.

 

[DFWJC]

He needs to prove himself or go down the road.

If he stays healthy, just maybe.

 

[dallasdave]

If he stays healthy, just maybe.

 

[DFWJC]