Quick look at the condensed film MN@DAL

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I told someone I'd look at the coaches film but I've been gone all day and most of my responses have been by phone and it really sucks. I looked at the condensed film to get an overall impression then I was going to look at the All-22 then go to the stats then back to the film and make a report. I just don't have the time tonite to do that and the admiral is giving me the 'look'. I have my back to her but I know she is doing 'it'.

I can't promise but I'll try to do something comprehensive tomorrow. Sorry.

I made some quick notes then abandoned them because this game wasn't as hard to look at as I thought. Again this is just a really quick eyeball look at it so my thoughts may change if I get the time to do a hardcore review. And a general disclaimer is I'm no better at this than the average fan so take it FWIW. :)

1. Thank God for Tony Romo
2. Ditto
3. The reason we didn't run was because we had a hard time doing so. The run Murray made for 27 was great blocking by the interior and Murray hitting the hole hard and cutting back. Murray is a very solid NFL RB. The better reason was because Romo pretty much threw the ball at will. They didn't make any great plays defensively except the INT which was a pretty good play on a not too bad of a throw to a less than aggressive WR not snatching the ball and letting the D guy do so. I still cringe on that intermediate out esp to the right as teams seem to play that well and jump it too much for me to like.
4. Without the film it did appear MN smelled out some running plays. They disguised their run blitzes well and often brought 5 or more on several runs in the first half. I didn't look very hard at the 2nd half because we didn't run much. When we did it didn't look pretty. But I'll look again.
5. So how come we didn't score more than 27? Well 27 ain't bad but it barely won this game and 7 points were defensive gifts. We make too many mistakes that's why. I'll bet when I look at the stats I'll see 6 or more dropped passes. Romo threw by my eyeball about three bad passes and at least one probably should have been caught. BTW, Romo was I think 7 of 9 on the GWD and one was dropped and he threw the other away.
6. Drives stalled with dropped passes and/or sacks and/or penalties and/or bad calls on three occasions. I never question refereeing in W&Ls but this one seemed to go mostly the wrong way including hits to the head, hits on defenseless players, bad spots us good spots them yada. I'll stop there. So essentially we stopped ourselves all but once.
7. We don't tackle well consistently.
8. Our pass defense looked reasonable without looking at numbers. They hit some passes but we won the passing battle by eyeball easily. It will probably look worse on the coaches film but it wasn't as bad as I thought Sunday. I still need a better look on all of this.
9. Not the best talent out there on defense but they are scrappers.
10. Oh, we ran the ball once or twice and didn't get necessary yardage but I do think one might have been a bad spot. Still, we just don't run block well much too often. I'm looking forward to see where the running plays went and the film to see why they didn't go anywhere.

Again, we didn't really need the running game against MN. We needed to catch the ball and not make critical holds, hands to the face, offensive PI, take helmets off after offensive PI, or go backwards in or near the RZ.

A conversation in another thread was about why didn't we run more. Well you have a partial answer. But it is not THE answer. There will be games where we will need to run to balance their D out, set up the run, take it in from the 1 yard line, etc. I'll look at the film and see what I can say about that but there weren't a lot of run attempts to make much of even an uneducated opinion.
 

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Nice write up man, hopefully you continue these for the rest of the games. I pretty much agree with everything you said. As for our offense, I think we should be very optimistic about it, even though we are struggling to some degree. Our guys ARE getting open, it's just they're dropping some easy balls they need to catch, hopefully against the Saints we'll clean those drops up. I also think we'll start getting more calls in our favor, because as of yet it's been heavily favored towards our opponent.

As for Romo, he's definitely being under rated by our fans IMO. I've seen quiet a bit of people say he played "ok", but really I think he played great. Out of his 50 throws, I can only recall about 5-7 of them being bad throws and off mark, heck I'll take that game every week.

Anways, nice write up!
 

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Nice write up man, hopefully you continue these for the rest of the games. I pretty much agree with everything you said. As for our offense, I think we should be very optimistic about it, even though we are struggling to some degree. Our guys ARE getting open, it's just they're dropping some easy balls they need to catch, hopefully against the Saints we'll clean those drops up. I also think we'll start getting more calls in our favor, because as of yet it's been heavily favored towards our opponent.

You just described the last few years and we(me) are still waiting for that to change. The offense has the "capability" of being good but it is still being used the wrong way. I see no hope of it changing over night to becoming a factor.

Every week we get a new excuse on why they didn't run as much. It is frustrating seeing what could be rather than what is.
 

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I told someone I'd look at the coaches film but I've been gone all day and most of my responses have been by phone and it really sucks. I looked at the condensed film to get an overall impression then I was going to look at the All-22 then go to the stats then back to the film and make a report. I just don't have the time tonite to do that and the admiral is giving me the 'look'. I have my back to her but I know she is doing 'it'.

I can't promise but I'll try to do something comprehensive tomorrow. Sorry.

I made some quick notes then abandoned them because this game wasn't as hard to look at as I thought. Again this is just a really quick eyeball look at it so my thoughts may change if I get the time to do a hardcore review. And a general disclaimer is I'm no better at this than the average fan so take it FWIW. :)

1. Thank God for Tony Romo
2. Ditto
3. The reason we didn't run was because we had a hard time doing so. The run Murray made for 27 was great blocking by the interior and Murray hitting the hole hard and cutting back. Murray is a very solid NFL RB. The better reason was because Romo pretty much threw the ball at will. They didn't make any great plays defensively except the INT which was a pretty good play on a not too bad of a throw to a less than aggressive WR not snatching the ball and letting the D guy do so. I still cringe on that intermediate out esp to the right as teams seem to play that well and jump it too much for me to like.
4. Without the film it did appear MN smelled out some running plays. They disguised their run blitzes well and often brought 5 or more on several runs in the first half. I didn't look very hard at the 2nd half because we didn't run much. When we did it didn't look pretty. But I'll look again.
5. So how come we didn't score more than 27? Well 27 ain't bad but it barely won this game and 7 points were defensive gifts. We make too many mistakes that's why. I'll bet when I look at the stats I'll see 6 or more dropped passes. Romo threw by my eyeball about three bad passes and at least one probably should have been caught. BTW, Romo was I think 7 of 9 on the GWD and one was dropped and he threw the other away.
6. Drives stalled with dropped passes and/or sacks and/or penalties and/or bad calls on three occasions. I never question refereeing in W&Ls but this one seemed to go mostly the wrong way including hits to the head, hits on defenseless players, bad spots us good spots them yada. I'll stop there. So essentially we stopped ourselves all but once.
7. We don't tackle well consistently.
8. Our pass defense looked reasonable without looking at numbers. They hit some passes but we won the passing battle by eyeball easily. It will probably look worse on the coaches film but it wasn't as bad as I thought Sunday. I still need a better look on all of this.
9. Not the best talent out there on defense but they are scrappers.
10. Oh, we ran the ball once or twice and didn't get necessary yardage but I do think one might have been a bad spot. Still, we just don't run block well much too often. I'm looking forward to see where the running plays went and the film to see why they didn't go anywhere.

Again, we didn't really need the running game against MN. We needed to catch the ball and not make critical holds, hands to the face, offensive PI, take helmets off after offensive PI, or go backwards in or near the RZ.

A conversation in another thread was about why didn't we run more. Well you have a partial answer. But it is not THE answer. There will be games where we will need to run to balance their D out, set up the run, take it in from the 1 yard line, etc. I'll look at the film and see what I can say about that but there weren't a lot of run attempts to make much of even an uneducated opinion.


1. Yes (but also Thank God for George Selvie and Rod Marinelli)
2. Ditto
3. Threw it a little late, and the guy did make a good play on it. TWill needed to come back and fight for it a little more.
4. They seemed to think that it was important to stop the run and make us one-dimensional, and it worked, although more than it should have.
5. A ton of dropped passes. Some poor pass protection at times, and a couple of drive-killing penalties. We should have put up 40 on them.
6. I agree. Can't stand Triplett and his crew. Maybe the worst ref in the game (even worse than Walt Anderson).
7. Yes
8. Given the rash of injuries, thought we did all right. Not great, especially since Minny doesn't throw it all that well. Made Ponder look better than he is at times.
9. They do give it all they have, which is really nice to see, even if the results aren't all that great sometimes.
10. Yeah, for whatever reason, we just can't get much going on the ground, and too many negative plays.

Overall, it was one of the more frustrating games I've ever watched. Offense continues to shoot itself in the foot. If we had just caught the ball, it would have been a cake walk, and nobody would be complaining all that much about how we didn't run the ball much.

Romo was just unbelievable on that last drive. He knew what the defense was doing pretty much every play, and who was going to be open right from the snap. No hesitation. Just drop and throw, and if you didn't know any better, you would have mistaken him for Montana. Some say we should go more no-huddle earlier in the game. Not sure if I agree, but definitely as soon as Romo figures our their defense. Once he does that, he's just wicked.

Oh, and Ernie Sims was absolutely God awful.
 

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You just described the last few years and we(me) are still waiting for that to change. The offense has the "capability" of being good but it is still being used the wrong way. I see no hope of it changing over night to becoming a factor.

Every week we get a new excuse on why they didn't run as much. It is frustrating seeing what could be rather than what is.

I wasn't making excuses merely my own observations. I don't like the lack of a running game but I can see since they had no trouble throwing the ball they didn't care. And the time we did run in the second half we didn't do well. We would have scored 35+ points without killing drives. We had no problems throwing the ball. Running was difficult is all I can say right now. The long run by Murray was nice blocking but again I need to see the stats and tape.

Normally we stall inside the ten or five and I get very irritated not being able to run the ball there and other situations. Not as much a problem today but if I remember correctly we missed at least one short yardage conversion so it was a problem at least once. Otherwise I'm happy to throw the ball. If you can move the ball throwing without need the run fine. If they take the run away which they did early then throw it. The problem here is generally its more of a problem not being able to run the ball than I saw in this one game. So I'm not happy with the difficulty running the ball and it's likely to bite us.
 

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Nice write up man, hopefully you continue these for the rest of the games. I pretty much agree with everything you said. As for our offense, I think we should be very optimistic about it, even though we are struggling to some degree. Our guys ARE getting open, it's just they're dropping some easy balls they need to catch, hopefully against the Saints we'll clean those drops up. I also think we'll start getting more calls in our favor, because as of yet it's been heavily favored towards our opponent.

As for Romo, he's definitely being under rated by our fans IMO. I've seen quiet a bit of people say he played "ok", but really I think he played great. Out of his 50 throws, I can only recall about 5-7 of them being bad throws and off mark, heck I'll take that game every week.

Anways, nice write up!

Thanks. I'm not much on calling the refs out because it generally balances out but this game was just one where they got a bit more than I thought they should have. Not an excuse. We killed most of the drives ourselves. And poor tackling and some key penalties kept them in it. And let's not forget the INT which fortunately didn't hurt us. Most of the time against a better team it would have.
 

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We don't tackle well consistently.

I've noticed we are trying to strip the ball more often and it's leading to missed tackles. So long as we continue to get the turnovers, I'm good with that. Of course we were attempting to tackle Adrian Peterson. That guy will do this to you every time.
 

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I wasn't making excuses merely my own observations. I don't like the lack of a running game but I can see since they had no trouble throwing the ball they didn't care. And the time we did run in the second half we didn't do well. We would have scored 35+ points without killing drives. We had no problems throwing the ball. Running was difficult is all I can say right now. The long run by Murray was nice blocking but again I need to see the stats and tape.

Normally we stall inside the ten or five and I get very irritated not being able to run the ball there and other situations. Not as much a problem today but if I remember correctly we missed at least one short yardage conversion so it was a problem at least once. Otherwise I'm happy to throw the ball. If you can move the ball throwing without need the run fine. If they take the run away which they did early then throw it. The problem here is generally its more of a problem not being able to run the ball than I saw in this one game. So I'm not happy with the difficulty running the ball and it's likely to bite us.

My post wasn't to you, I agreed with most of yours. My response was about being optimistic about our offense and I am not, don't think they can/will change anytime soon.

My point is...there will always be an excuse as to why the offense didn't click in any particular game. Drops one game, penalties another, next one is abandoning the run followed by a horrendous Oline then due to injuries.

You know as well as I do, excuses are like..........everyone has one. It is time for the offense to wake up or bring in someone who can.
 

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[quote="jobberone, post: 5285091, member: 375"7. We don't tackle well consistently.]

I've noticed we are trying to strip the ball more often and it's leading to missed tackles. So long as we continue to get the turnovers, I'm good with that. Of course we were attempting to tackle Adrian Peterson. That guy will do this to you every time.[/quote]

He's known for giving the ball up so I don't fault them for going after it. But you're right. You can't try to strip the ball and forget to make the tackle. That TD 'run' AD had was the most obvious and blatant assisting the runner I've ever seen. But they just don't call that anymore.
 

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My post wasn't to you, I agreed with most of yours. My response was about being optimistic about our offense and I am not, don't think they can/will change anytime soon.

My point is...there will always be an excuse as to why the offense didn't click in any particular game. Drops one game, penalties another, next one is abandoning the run followed by a horrendous Oline then due to injuries.

You know as well as I do, excuses are like..........everyone has one. It is time for the offense to wake up or bring in someone who can.

I know you and I didn't take it personally. I was also just responding to the idea. Yeah, the offense hasn't clicked that well since the first 3/4 of 2007. It has the potential to be dominating with some tweaks. But it's not bad right now just hurting itself enough to keep it close for both sides. The defense is the huge problem but then that makes it a problem for the offense to make up for the porous defense.

Have a good night. I gotta hit the sack.
 

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A conversation in another thread was about why didn't we run more. Well you have a partial answer. But it is not THE answer. There will be games where we will need to run to balance their D out, set up the run, take it in from the 1 yard line, etc. I'll look at the film and see what I can say about that but there weren't a lot of run attempts to make much of even an uneducated opinion.
After we went up 10 points, had the Defense held the Vikings from scoring a TD on the next drive, I believe we WOULD HAVE Ran the ball more after that. There just wasn't enough of a lead in the game to chance it.
 

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I actually didn't catch the game live so I watched it in its entirety in the condensed version before I went to work on Monday.

I pretty much echo your sentiments, but I wanted to add something.

Without the stress and frustration that comes with the game live, the Cowboys really didn't seem to be all that bad in this game, and the Vikings played better than a one win team.

We moved the ball with ease, we just didn't capitalize until it mattered.

And Ponder played a really good game as well. I mean, this is the same team that made the playoffs last year and they looked more like the 2012 Vikings than they guys that laid a stinker against the Giants on Monday night.

Not trying to pump sunshine. Just trying to add perspective.
 

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7. We don't tackle well consistently.

Because we ignore a football fundamental - tackle first, strip second. We are spending too much time trying to strip the ball while letting the ball carrier get 10+ additional yards. Happened several times in the Minnesota game. Stripping has to be PART of the tackle.

We also occasionally think hitting is the same as tackling... not as huge a problem but it bites us, as it does almost every other team at times.
 

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I actually didn't catch the game live so I watched it in its entirety in the condensed version before I went to work on Monday.

I pretty much echo your sentiments, but I wanted to add something.

Without the stress and frustration that comes with the game live, the Cowboys really didn't seem to be all that bad in this game, and the Vikings played better than a one win team.

We moved the ball with ease, we just didn't capitalize until it mattered.

And Ponder played a really good game as well. I mean, this is the same team that made the playoffs last year and they looked more like the 2012 Vikings than they guys that laid a stinker against the Giants on Monday night.

Not trying to pump sunshine. Just trying to add perspective.

I agree. We seem to do just enough to just win or just lose. And the Vikings looked very good. You could put AD on any team with a decent offense and QB along with a good D and you would have a good football team.
 

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i love it when a 'look at the tape' actually 'happens' to reinforce my previously held biases
 

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I've noticed we are trying to strip the ball more often and it's leading to missed tackles. So long as we continue to get the turnovers, I'm good with that. Of course we were attempting to tackle Adrian Peterson. That guy will do this to you every time.

I'm just amazed at you user name, how'd you get that. lol
 
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