Quick Review OL and RBs, focus on Collins/Bern/Randle

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The All-22 is not available yet, so this is from the broadcast view.

I focused primarily on Bernadeau, Collins and Randle but I did watch the others also.

Bernadeau was not the worst player ever as I've seen people claim; however, Collins was definitely better.

Collins did have a few whiffs and they didn't throw many stunts or blitzes at him which was something he struggled with in the preseason. He did pick up the few stunts that he did see with no problem. Most of his whiffs were in the running game and were probably due to being overly aggressive and going for the kill-shot type block. He did have a couple of run plays where he started in one direction and then realized he should be blocking the guy on the opposite side but overall for his 1st ever real NFL game he was quite good.

I don't really think the goal line run was a problem with Collins as claimed by the announcers. He did take a step back but he drove his man sideways out of the hole. It was not his man that clogged up that play. They defender that Free was blocking slammed into Martin's legs preventing Martin from maintaining his block and his man was the primary tackler on that play.

Bernadeau has always had a tendency to be late off the snap while playing Guard. He had two false starts probably because he was trying to improve this problem; however, on several snaps he was still late off the snap. I can go frame by frame and see all other offensive players move before he moves which gives the defender an advantage. They can win games with Bernadeau playing but Collins is better and Leary is obviously better.

Randle was actually very good. He got something out of nothing multiple times and got "dirty yards" on many plays. He didn't have a good average because he was hit in the backfield often.

McFadden appeared to get what was available not more, not less.

Overall the run blocking was not that good. I didn't see any 1 obvious reason for it. The Eagles sometimes run blitzed and seemed to have a good feel for when and where the Cowboys were going to run. The Eagles have a very good DL. As mentioned above, both Bern and Collins had some issues. Fred had some issues with their NT at times. Free is very limited and can't even get movement when blocking a LB. People said that Martin struggled, but I didn't notice it. There was 1 play where it initially looked like he was terrible but on review the defender appears to yank his face-mask and get him off balance.

The pass blocking was OK but not as good as last week. The play where Romo was injured was NOT Bernadeau's fault. They blitzed both LBs and Bern blocked the 1st one. There was no blocker available for the 2nd one. Romo needed to get rid of the ball on that play. Free is still not very good and completely whiffed more than once.

One run play failed because of a terrible block by the FB. The TEs need to be better blocking in the run game. I didn't count but they seemed to run from sets with a FB or multiple TEs more often than normal. I actually think they run better in general from 3 WR sets which spreads out the defense. Even Witten had some failed run blocks. They missed Hanna although, I don't think he was 100% last week either. It would be nice to have a big nasty run blocking TE but they obviously don't want one of those. They did use the OT Brown a couple of times.

Obviously not having Dez allows defenses to use the defender that would normally be in double coverage on Dez to drop down and defend the run. Also, once Weeden was in the game, the defense loaded up against the run and dared Weeden to beat them.

I still wish that Collins could play RT. Having him at RT would really open up the running game.
 

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Yep. O-line got beat yesterday. We've been out of sync offensively. I thought we had a solid drive later in the 2nd half when McFadden started tearing through the defense. I think it was the first drive after Romo got hurt.

If there's one positive I can take away from Weeden being the QB for the next 8 weeks, it's that we haven't gotten into rhythm with our running game and I think we'll see more of a 50/50 run/pass ratio with Weeden under center. I know a lot of people tried to justify the running game against the Giants by saying that 50% of plays went to a RB. But it's hard to really make that argument when you have Dunbar lined up out wide.

Fortunately we're getting some of our best defensive players back soon. The 7-8 games without Romo, I think we're gonna rely on our defense and our running game. I think Weeden can be decent if he isn't forced to throw 45 times. Part of Romo's efficiency these past few years has been that he's been more patient and isn't trying to make plays that aren't there. Weeden has always been somewhat of a gunslinger. He played well yesterday because he had a big lead and didn't need to do much. That's how it'll have to be if we plan on winning games with Weeden under center. It's up to the offense to get something going, whether it's an all-out competition between between Randle/McFadden/Michael or just a mission to run the ball.
 

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Free looked awful yesterday... I'd have to see the film but boy he was a liability. Glad they picked Chaz Green in the 3rd and hopefully he is a player. The RT looked bad yesterday.

Good write up X.
 

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Thanks for the write up. I think Collins should start. I understand the concern with throwing him out there, but the kid was a projected 1st round pick by everyone. Giants and Commanders are starting their rookie OL men and they are doing fine. Collins will be fine, if Leary can't go.
 
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Thanks for the write up. I think Collins should start. I understand the concern with throwing him out there, but the kid was a projected 1st round pick by everyone. Giants and Commanders are starting their rookie OL men and they are doing fine. Collins will be fine, if Leary can't go.

Not being snarky, but what do we have to lose by starting him? I'd rather get him some in-game experience with Weeden behind center, so when Tony comes back he is seasoned to potentially play G or RT, if necessary.
 

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Randle was actually very good. He got something out of nothing multiple times and got "dirty yards" on many plays. He didn't have a good average because he was hit in the backfield often.

He showed me last night that he is not going to come anywhere close to the expectations that are hanging over him, he looked very average and lost yardage on an almost consistent basis.

Oh, we're talking about Randle?
 

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Not being snarky, but what do we have to lose by starting him? I'd rather get him some in-game experience with Weeden behind center, so when Tony comes back he is seasoned to potentially play G or RT, if necessary.

We lose nothing. That's why I think he should start over Berny.
 

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Free looked awful yesterday... I'd have to see the film but boy he was a liability. Glad they picked Chaz Green in the 3rd and hopefully he is a player. The RT looked bad yesterday.

Good write up X.

Yep. Free worries me. It would be awesome if Collins could play RT but I don't see that happening. It sucks but Leary will be on another team next year. Teams will offer him top dollar despite his knee condition. He's an excellent starting LG. Hopefully Chaz Green will be good. Our line 2 years from now will be Smith - Collins - Beard - Martin - Green
 

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Most of his whiffs were in the running game and were probably due to being overly aggressive and going for the kill-shot type block.

Yeah, I think he is way to aggressive. Until he can control the sledgehammer better, he needs to just get the job done. It's like most guys when they are teeing off. They try to kill the ball with the driver and end up shanking it. Controlling your swing and hitting it 270 yards in the fairway is a lot better than hitting it 300 yards OB.

I don't really think the goal line run was a problem with Collins as claimed by the announcers. He did take a step back but he drove his man sideways out of the hole. It was not his man that clogged up that play.
That's what I saw too when they replayed it. Aikman notoriously talks out of his *** during games. (actually, I don't recall who said it, but no doubt Aikman agreed if he wasn't the first to say it)

McFadden appeared to get what was available not more, not less.
I hated McFadden coming out of the draft because he couldn't break tackles and I still hate him now. I see potential in Christine Michael, but I think he is too stupid to be a great player. That said, he is probably still better than McFadden as long as he can pass protect at least as well as McFadden.

Overall the run blocking was not that good. I didn't see any 1 obvious reason for it.

I think it has more to do with the loss of Bill Callahan. You see what the Skins and Callahan did to Tampa this week. Ouch!

As for Collins at RT. I just don't think that's going to happen this year. Not unless we are forced into it. I don't think he is ready for a tackle position at this level.

Nice write up, btw.
 

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Thanks for the write up. I think Collins should start. I understand the concern with throwing him out there, but the kid was a projected 1st round pick by everyone. Giants and Commanders are starting their rookie OL men and they are doing fine. Collins will be fine, if Leary can't go.

There is a lot of concern especially with Weeden (not Romo) currently at QB. Look what inside pressure does to QBs. Especially ones that aren't good. (Bradford for instances)
 

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[quote JoeyBoy718, post: 6288688, member: 33401"]Yep. Free worries me. It would be awesome if Collins could play RT but I don't see that happening. It sucks but Leary will be on another team next year. Teams will offer him top dollar despite his knee condition. He's an excellent starting LG. Hopefully Chaz Green will be good. Our line 2 years from now will be Smith - Collins - Beard - Martin - Green[/quote]

Question not just directed toward you Joey but the board as well:
Isn't Ron Leary a restricted free agent next offseason?

If so, Dallas could tender a qualifying offer that could net them a 1st or 2nd if someone wants to sign away the Boys starting LG. Just a thought...
 
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Yep. Free worries me. It would be awesome if Collins could play RT but I don't see that happening. It sucks but Leary will be on another team next year. Teams will offer him top dollar despite his knee condition. He's an excellent starting LG. Hopefully Chaz Green will be good. Our line 2 years from now will be Smith - Collins - Beard - Martin - Green

Leary is restricted next year.
 

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I still have some faith that when the 5 starters actually play together for a few games, we will see better play. The OL had a bad preseason with injuries and we are seeing this carry over into the regular season.

The Eagles and Lions both gave us fits last year playing the run--both have or had very good playes in the middle of the line.

I thought that Fred Beard did not have a a great game. He looked undersized at times. As John Madden said, if your center is not getting his man handled, you will not have a good day running. Not blaming Fred for all the issues. but the line did not have a good day--injuries and a good Eagles line were factors.

Between Bernie being Bernie and Fred having an off day, and Martin still recovering ( my guess only )., no wonder the OL had a off day.

Better days are coming, and we do not need Callahan.
 

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Thanks as always, X...and a running discussion about the Dallas offensive line should prove to be very insightful.

Doug Free is still on the bottom of a training effect, so he may reach socially acceptable standards yet.

I love the projections around Collins, and can't wait until he is able, bluntly, to chew glass.

There is a bunch of considerations around the offensive tackle through this and next season.

I am kind of looking towards a defensive tackle and wide receiver in the mix for next draft...hopefully offensive right tackle won't be a candidate by then.
 

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He showed me last night that he is not going to come anywhere close to the expectations that are hanging over him, he looked very average and lost yardage on an almost consistent basis.

Oh, we're talking about Randle?

Ya Murray plays for Eagles now haha
 

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Yep. Free worries me. It would be awesome if Collins could play RT but I don't see that happening. It sucks but Leary will be on another team next year. Teams will offer him top dollar despite his knee condition. He's an excellent starting LG. Hopefully Chaz Green will be good. Our line 2 years from now will be Smith - Collins - Beard - Martin - Green

Leary is a restricted free agent. He will likely either be with the Cowboy or they'll get a 2nd round pick for him.
 

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Free looked awful yesterday... I'd have to see the film but boy he was a liability. Glad they picked Chaz Green in the 3rd and hopefully he is a player. The RT looked bad yesterday.

Good write up X.

Yep....he has had two weak games at the point of attack. Very weak. He can still pass pro, but on the runs.........yikes

I started a thread after the game about Leary...need him BACK!!!!!!
 
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