Quickness big change can take effect

[Wolf2k5]

So I'm no tryin to be Debbie downer but was wondering how prominent it is for a team to make a huge leap like getting to a conf championship or Super Bowl the first year replacing a HC, OC, DC. Just wondering how often huge changes tend to show results is all

 

[CyberB0b]

49ers come to mind immediately. Saints with Greg Williams. Sure there are tons more.

 

[rkell87]

rex got to the afccg two years in a row right after taking over, ravens replaced their OC mid season and look what happened, texans made a huge leap in D after hiring wade and while they didn't get to the big games, what they did accomplish was huge for that franchise. These are very recent examples and there are plenty more going further back but it is no guarantee by any means because there are way more examples of the opposite effect, or little to no effect.

 

[AmericasTeam81]

Bud Carson, Mike Martz, George Seifert, Ernie Zampese, Red Miller, Steve Mariucci, Jon Gruden, Bill Callahan, John Harbaugh, Cam Cameron, Jim Harbaugh, Steve Spagnuolo, Butch Davis...

 

[AmericasTeam81]

I'll admit that some of the above names I listed are disingenuous

 

[KJJ]

I stay away from the leaps other teams have been able to make over night after replacing their HC, DC or OC and focus on the Cowboys history. Regardless of the coaching changes the Cowboys have made over the years reaching a conference championship and SB has taken time. The Cowboys have only gone from a mediocre team one year to a conference championship the next once in their history and that was in 1966 after being 7-7 in 1965. This wasn't after making any big coaching changes the year before. That was a team that was making progress every year under the same system and coaches. When Jimmy came in 89 it took 4 years for the Cowboys to reach a conference championship and SB.

It's always been a process for the Cowboys. Some teams have been able to make changes at HC, DC or OC and go from a mediocre team to a conference championship and SB the next season. I don't expect the Cowboys under Garrett who the jury is still out on to magically go from a team that's been consistently inconsistent, disorganized and dysfunctional the past few seasons to competing in a conference championship game and possible SB especially after hiring a 70-plus year old DC who's been out of the NFL for 4 years. This is a Cowboys team that in late May still hasn't decided who's going to call plays.

 

[Wolf2k5]

I stay away from the leaps other teams have been able to make over night after replacing their HC, DC or OC and focus on the Cowboys history. Regardless of the coaching changes the Cowboys have made over the years reaching a conference championship and SB has taken time. The Cowboys have only gone from a mediocre team one year to a conference championship the next once in their history and that was in 1966 after being 7-7 in 1965. This wasn't after making any big coaching changes the year before. That was a team that was making progress every year under the same system and coaches. When Jimmy came in 89 it took 4 years for the Cowboys to reach a conference championship and SB.

It's always been a process for the Cowboys. Some teams have been able to make changes at HC, DC or OC and go from a mediocre team to a conference championship and SB the next season. I don't expect the Cowboys under Garrett who the jury is still out on to magically go from a team that's been consistently inconsistent, disorganized and dysfunctional the past few seasons to competing in a conference championship game and possible SB especially after hiring a 70-plus year old DC who's been out of the NFL for 4 years. This is a Cowboys team that in late May still hasn't decided who's going to call plays.

I may be in the minority but I just don't see us as mediocre. I see one of the most injury plagued years I've ever seen and we still took to the last game of the season for playoffs. That being said I'm worried that revamping the entire defense might put us a step back

 

[KJJ]

I may be in the minority but I just don't see us as mediocre. I see one of the most injury plagued years I've ever seen and we still took to the last game of the season for playoffs. That being said I'm worried that revamping the entire defense might put us a step back

The Cowboys were 6-10 in 2010 and were 1-5 under Romo that season. The team was an up and down inconsistent 8-8 team in 2011 and was once again an up and down inconsistent team in 2012. Even a healthy well rested Cowboys team was dismantled by Seattle in week #2 last season. When Ryan was fired Jerry mentioned that the team didn't look very good when it was healthy. I don't see how anyone can see the Cowboys as anything but mediocre. You can't use injuries as an excuse because injuries happen every season to every team.

The Ravens had a number of injuries last season but that didn't stop them. The Giants had injury issues during their championship run in 2011. The Cowboys are never going to be totally healthy all season and good teams that are well coached are able to overcome injuries by having players step up. Even when relatively healthy we see the same issues with the Cowboys. They were a relatively healthy team at the end of the 2011 season with Sean Lee on the field but still fell on their face in the season finale vs the Giants with the division title on the line. The defense folds when it's all on the line whether it's healthy or not.

The Cowboys have a number of issues they're going to have to overcome before we ever again see them compete in a conference championship or SB. It's been 17 years since the last time the Cowboys competed in a conference title game and SB and it hasn't been because of injuries. Although the Cowboys have been competing for the division title the past 2 seasons it's been in a down division where it's only taken 9-10 wins to get it done. No matter how you cut it not being able to break 8 wins the past 3 seasons equals a mediocre team.

 

[Wolf2k5]

Not using it at an excuse I think not missing 7 of 11 defensive starters at one point may have gotten a game or two. And I was at the Seattle game and they looked bad but over the course of that one players were dropping like flies. That's also Seattle at home. Not the easiest place to look good anyhow.

 

[KJJ]

Not using it at an excuse I think not missing 7 of 11 defensive starters at one point may have gotten a game or two. And I was at the Seattle game and they looked bad but over the course of that one players were dropping like flies. That's also Seattle at home. Not the easiest place to look good anyhow.

I'm not saying the injuries didn't have some negative affect on the Cowboys season but every year keeps ending up the same way regardless of their injury situation. One of the worst defensive teams the Cowboys had was in 2010 giving up a franchise record number of points. That defense didn't have near the injuries the defense did last season. Although the Cowboys defense suffered a number of injuries last season they still ranked 19th which was only 2 spots lower than Baltimore and 6 spots higher than NE and 9 spots higher than Washington. One of the biggest issues with the Cowboys the past 2 seasons has been the defense not showing up in the season finale with the division title on the line. Players have been out of position and some don't even know when to be on the field. There's no excuse for that in week 17.

We've seen lot of confusion that even Garrett has acknowledged and a team that looks clearly disorganized which is something Garrett won't acknowledge. If Jerry believed it was injuries to the defense that caused the majority of the problems last season he wouldn't have fired Ryan. Even when healthy the defense has struggled and Jerry has admitted that. Just go back to the Chicago game in week 4 the defense got mauled with Lee and Carter out there. Jerry even noted that when discussing Ryan's firing. There was constant confusion and Brandon Marshall was allowed to run free. If the coaching on the team doesn't improve and players don't step up and respond to the coaching things aren't going to change regardless of the health of the team.

 

[Hoofbite]

Truth is, it has to work.

Dallas has been changing pieces pretty frequently over the past few years so it has to work.

 

[KJJ]

Truth is, it has to work.

Dallas has been changing pieces pretty frequently over the past few years so it has to work.

The Cowboys have changed head coach 6 times since Jimmy left and have made several changes at DC and OC and haven't even sniffed a conference title game. It's become pretty clear the change that needs to be made is at GM and we know that won't happen until Jerry's gone.