Quinn: Base in Atlanta was more 3-4 look

[xwalker]

Perhaps Lawrence will continue to play on the right side out of preference, but:

Lawrence is our best pass rusher
Gregory isn’t an every down player

Will they both be on the field with Lawrence at SDE plenty? Of course. But I think Gregory is a pass rush specialist and Quinn will want a big (bigger than Lawrence) SDE in base. People forget that 330 pound Red Bryant started at SDE for the Legion of Boom Super Bowl run in 2014.

DLaw and Gregory will play OLB in 3-4 sets.

 

[CWR]

Well, we should see the best of both LVE and Jaylon, because the writing is on the wall.

Yeah I dont expect we do the 5th year option, but I'm hoping LVE balls out and we re-sign him to a reasonable deal or maybe transition tag him and make him prove it again. Which seems silly, but he does need to prove it before we spend 10 million guaranteed.

2018 LVE with Parsons and Cox/Neal could be really nice. Jaylon will be interesting to see his response.

 

[xwalker]

Perhaps Lawrence will continue to play on the right side out of preference, but:

Lawrence is our best pass rusher
Gregory isn’t an every down player

Will they both be on the field with Lawrence at SDE plenty? Of course. But I think Gregory is a pass rush specialist and Quinn will want a big (bigger than Lawrence) SDE in base. People forget that 330 pound Red Bryant started at SDE for the Legion of Boom Super Bowl run in 2014.

Not you specifically, but everyone talks about Gregory's inability to play the run. He was actually the second highest graded run defender on the team. I think as he matures and fills out his frame he will be a very good run defender and be on the field more than people expect. I'm not sure, but I think a lot of people expect him to be worse than he is because he's not that big.

I'm actually cautiously excited to watch him grow as a player. He was such a great prospect. It gets lost how good he can be, due to his personal problems.

Randy Gregory was top 2 in his draft class in run defense with regards to the quality edge rushers. He bull-rushed the 330 pound OT that was a 1st round pick by the Giants like the OT was on roller skates.

 

[jrumann59]

DLaw and Gregory will play OLB in 3-4 sets.

As long as they do not have guys like Lawrence and company expect to cover. Call the look Spaghetti and Meatballs but if you are going to have guys like Lawrence or other DL that is not well built for coverage in coverage 25 to 30% of the time in the base package this guy is no different than Nolan. Lawrence looked like a train wreck from the 2 point stance.

 

[Dak_Attack_09]

Randy Gregory was top 2 in his draft class in run defense with regards to the quality edge rushers. He bull-rushed the 330 pound OT that was a 1st round pick by the Giants like the OT was on roller skates.

Like Giants have a good OL, are you referring to 1st round Auburn pick that’s not on the team anymore.

 

[Cowboyny]

Perhaps Lawrence will continue to play on the right side out of preference, but:

Lawrence is our best pass rusher
Gregory isn’t an every down player

Will they both be on the field with Lawrence at SDE plenty? Of course. But I think Gregory is a pass rush specialist and Quinn will want a big (bigger than Lawrence) SDE in base. People forget that 330 pound Red Bryant started at SDE for the Legion of Boom Super Bowl run in 2014.

Think Gregory will be used similar to how Seattle played Cliff Avril, more of a nickel rusher.

 

[Cowboyny]

Not you specifically, but everyone talks about Gregory's inability to play the run. He was actually the second highest graded run defender on the team. I think as he matures and fills out his frame he will be a very good run defender and be on the field more than people expect. I'm not sure, but I think a lot of people expect him to be worse than he is because he's not that big.

I'm actually cautiously excited to watch him grow as a player. He was such a great prospect. It gets lost how good he can be, due to his personal problems.

He is a very underrated run defender.

 

[Cowboyny]

i agree with this. i posted a couple other places. at florida he ran a 3-4. at seattle he ran a under 4-3 that after looking looks like a 3-4.

5T- Osa, Urban, Golston
NT / 1Tech- Woods, Bohannon
3 / 4Tech- Gallimore, Hill, Osa

rushLB - Lawrence, Gregory, Basham

mlb - lve, cox

wmlb - smith, bernard (cannot spell is name)

slb ( dpr) - parsons, anae

I think this is an realistic projection.

 

[quickccc]

I’m really curious to see what this defense is going to look like.
Quinn’s base D at 65+ % of the time is nickel...2 LB’s

Quinn further insisted that he intends to play Neal as a WIL. So now we have Jaylon, LVE, Neal, Parsons, and Cox for the only 2 LB spots that will be on the field most of the time. Not saying depth is a bad thing, but it’s going to be real interesting to see who is spending a lot of time on the bench.

D Line is a bit confusing as well. Seems as though Quinn is going to go with the oversized strong side DE. My guess at who ends up on the roster-

SDE- Osa, Urban, Golston
1 Tech- Woods, Bohannon
3 Tech- Gallimore, Hill, Osa
WDE- Lawrence, Gregory, Basham


The secondary seems pretty straight forward...as long as Kazee is healthy and capable

Its gonna be very interesting with Gregory, whether starting or 3rd DE ,.. and make no mistake that management (per firing Tomsula for vastly limiting
Gregory as they saw it) ..will make a push for Gregory to have a significant role and significant amount of time in that Quinn's defense,..imo.

With drafting a 280 pound DT (UCLA) ..and a 270 pound DE,..and from i'm hearing in Quinn's press conference i'm gathering this is gonna be a
3-4 oriented personnel.

But whose are 3-4 NT ? the rookie Bohanna ? Woods (lol.!) ..and much was made of Mike Nolan forcing a 3-4 scheme on current players that
were misfit for a 3-4 scheme. Will Dlaw again be made to stand up rather than hands down 3 point stance ? And hes' definitely not a 3-4 end.

If Quinn is indeed gonna run a base 3-4 scheme ... i see it more like this:
RDE - Gallimore ? (Gholston, Hill)
NT - Bohanna ?
LDE - Urban (Osa Odighizuwa, Hill)
ROLB - Gregory (Anae)
ILB - Parson
ILB - Jaylon ?
LOLB - DLaw (Basham)

 

[Dak_Attack_09]

Quinn's response in the press conference when asked about 4-3 or 3-4.

Base will look more like a 3-4, that would be consistent with the Cowboys last year or my time in Atlanta.

Nickel is 60% to 70% in the league, and the Cowboys will be 4 down DL in Nickel.

In Atlanta it was the offense that led the team to the SB and his 3-4 trash defense ranked 14th, 27th, 8th, 25th, 23rd, & 19th ( fired)

The SB year they ranked 27th, and the year they were 8th they lost to Philly in divisional round.

 

[quickccc]

As long as they do not have guys like Lawrence and company expect to cover. Call the look Spaghetti and Meatballs but if you are going to have guys like Lawrence or other DL that is not well built for coverage in coverage 25 to 30% of the time in the base package this guy is no different than Nolan. Lawrence looked like a train wreck from the 2 point stance.

Quinn said the base look will be 3-4, but if the defense is gonna play 60-70% nickel, i could be wrong but i expect will that allow Dlaw to put his hand on the ground in 3 point stance,
(where he feels most comfortable) when the D" goes to nickel look.

- Seems if the defense is gonna be 60-70% in nickel, that sounds like that's really your base defense, than 3-4 look .
.
- I remember in his hybrid look ex-DC Mike Nolan demanded DLaw to be in stand up position in the 3-4 look , as well as occasionally dropping back
in passing lane coverage (which further presented awkward confusion to the horrid defensive manner)
.
- Gregory is so naturally agile and athletic, the various looks doesn't really affect him. He can stand up as an OLB, or come with his hands down in a 3 point stance.
or even occasionally drop into pass lanes, without any laboring.

 

[dwmyers]

i agree with this. i posted a couple other places. at florida he ran a 3-4. at seattle he ran a under 4-3 that after looking looks like a 3-4.

5T- Osa, Urban, Golston
NT / 1Tech- Woods, Bohannon
3 / 4Tech- Gallimore, Hill, Osa

rushLB - Lawrence, Gregory, Basham

mlb - lve, cox

wmlb - smith, bernard (cannot spell is name)

slb ( dpr) - parsons, anae

DQ style 4-3 over is, from the defenses point of view and from right to left , a 4-3-1-9. There is no 5T in it. The 6 tech is mislabeling. The SDE is on the inside shoulder of the OT not the outside.
Some folks call the look a 4i instead.

EDIT: looking again, this front *is* actuallty a 6i-3-1-9. Right most is on the inside shoulder of the TE, not the OT.