Quinn or Miller with the 9th pick ?

[btcutter]

Mike Williams WR USC 2005

You got me....but he sucks.

 

[realtick]

You got me....but he sucks.

That wasn't the question

 

[Avery]

I like Miller, but not in a 3-4. Quinn would win by default.

 

[RESIN8]

Umm, Quinn didn't play this past season.

Besides, are we really saying on any given year that the following football teams are better than ACC teams?

Arkansas Univ. at Little Rock
Arkansas State
Univ. of Denver
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Univ. of Louisiana at Lafayette
Univ. of Louisiana at Monroe
Middle Tennessee State
North Texas
Univ. of South Alabama
Western Kentucky Univ.

Big deal. A mid major QB is about to have a real say in a 3rd ring. And well that franchise had a mid major win 4 SB's. What's your point?

 

[realtick]

Big deal. A mid major QB is about to have a real say in a 3rd ring. And well that franchise had a mid major win 4 SB's. What's your point?

Lol, and what's your point?

Terrific, you cherry-picked a player from Miami of Ohio.

Problem is it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Why don't you bring up Miles Austin from Monmouth to completely muddle up the discussion as well?

We're talking about conferences and the level of competition, not individual players.

Answer the question, on the whole, is the Sun Belt Conference put out more talented teams than the ACC?

Thanks for playing.

 

[RESIN8]

Lol, and what's your point?

Terrific, you cherry-picked a player from Miami of Ohio.

Problem is it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Why don't you bring up Miles Austin from Monmouth to completely muddle up the discussion as well?

We're talking about conferences and the level of competition, not individual players.

Answer the question, on the whole, is the Sun Belt Conference put out more talented teams than the ACC?

Thanks for playing.

So taking a prospect because of what? conference he played for makes sense?

Where did Jerry Rice come from? SEC?
Sweetness? Big 8?
Oh and Rice running mate John Taylor?
Charles Haley.

Ya I could run big time on that issue. You play the name brands, which is funny because your SJSU thing.

If your sole issue is to say the acc is better then the sun belt? granted. If that is a reason to pick and choose, well.....crickets

 

[realtick]

So taking a prospect because of what? conference he played for makes sense?

Where did Jerry Rice come from? SEC?
Sweetness? Big 8?
Oh and Rice running mate John Taylor?
Charles Haley.

Ya I could run big time on that issue. You play the name brands, which is funny because your SJSU thing.

If your sole issue is to say the acc is better then the sun belt? granted. If that is a reason to pick and choose, well.....crickets

Lol, you know what doesn't make sense? You jumping into a conversation and making obscure points that are completely unrelated to the original issue.

But predictably, I'm sure you'll realize this and continue to argue out of pure stuborness.

ABQ said he was concerned about Robert Quinn's picking up some of his sacks against "weaker" teams on the schedule.

I contended that Quinn faced good competition in the ACC on the whole. I furthered that point by highlighting the fact DeMarcus Ware was a bonified player despite racking up sacks in a predominantly weaker level of competition (Sun Belt Conference).

This is about where you jumped in with unrelated nonsense (and continue to).

Now please tell me what beef you have with anything I just stated above?

"if your sole issue is to say the acc is better than the sun belt? Granted."

Yeah, that is the issue genius.

Thanks for playing.

 

[RESIN8]

Lol, you know what doesn't make sense? You jumping into a conversation and making obscure points that are completely unrelated to the original issue.

But predictably, I'm sure you'll realize this and continue to argue out of pure stuborness.

ABQ said he was concerned about Robert Quinn's picking up some of his sacks against "weaker" teams on the schedule.

I contended that Quinn faced good competition in the ACC on the whole. I furthered that point by highlighting the fact DeMarcus Ware was a bonified player despite racking up sacks in a predominantly weaker level of competition (Sun Belt Conference).

This is about where you jumped in with unrelated nonsense (and continue to).

Now please tell me what beef you have with anything I just stated above?

"if your sole issue is to say the acc is better than the sun belt? Granted."

Yeah, that is the issue genius.

Thanks for playing.

And I basically said that the ACC sucks. Put them against, well... the WAC or better yet.... The MWC and well..... ACC was like the rest of them. A mid major, stick to basketball..

 

[realtick]

And I basically said that the ACC sucks. Put them against, well... the WAC or better yet.... The MWC and well..... ACC was like the rest of them. A mid major, stick to basketball..

"[...] making obscure points that are completely unrelated to the original issue. But predictably, I'm sure you'll realize this and continue to argue out of pure stuborness."


Game, set, match...

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Lol, okay, we'll I guess we can't talk about DeMarcus Ware...

Quinn is a talent, and the fact he didn't register sacks in every single game doesn't bother me a bit.

At this point it's just nitpicking.

You can talk about Ware all you like. I just would not compare this guy to Ware. If you want to make that comparison, feel free.

Time will tell for Quinn.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Lol, you know what doesn't make sense? You jumping into a conversation and making obscure points that are completely unrelated to the original issue.

But predictably, I'm sure you'll realize this and continue to argue out of pure stuborness.

ABQ said he was concerned about Robert Quinn's picking up some of his sacks against "weaker" teams on the schedule.

I contended that Quinn faced good competition in the ACC on the whole. I furthered that point by highlighting the fact DeMarcus Ware was a bonified player despite racking up sacks in a predominantly weaker level of competition (Sun Belt Conference).

This is about where you jumped in with unrelated nonsense (and continue to).

Now please tell me what beef you have with anything I just stated above?

"if your sole issue is to say the acc is better than the sun belt? Granted."

Yeah, that is the issue genius.

Thanks for playing.

I can live with your contention that Quinn has talent. I think he does. Not certain why you would fail to acknowledge that. However, the ACC is not a good conference, top to bottom in football and hasn't been since Quinn got to the ACC.

Something else that has not been mentioned is the fact that while at Troy, Ware may have been playing against inferior talent but he was also playing with inferior talent. UNC has a lot of talent and has had talent these past few years. They are one of the more talented teams in the ACC. I think that's a difference between the two.

I don't see Quinn as another Ware.

 

[Marktui]

No trading back please!! Quinn, Miller or Jordan would be great picks. Jordan has been pretty impressive in the Senior Bowl workouts.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Two Players stats. Which one is which?


1st player:

DE 6'5 258 lbs. Projected 40 4.69

1st Year:
G-GS 13-11, Tkls 64, Solo 46, TFL 19, Sks 11.5, PBU 5, FF 1,

2nd Year:
G-GS 10-10, Tkls 48, Solo 34, TFL 10, Sks 5.5, PBU 2, FF 1, INT 1.

Totals:
G-GS 23-21, Tkls 112, Solo 80, TFL 29, Sks 17, PBU 7, FF 2, INT 1.



2nd Player:

DE 6'5 268 lbs. Projected 40 4.64

1st Year:
G-GS 13-13, Tkls 34, Solo 22, TFL 6.5, Sks 2, PBU 1, FF 2, INT 0

2nd Year:
G-GS 13-11, Tkls 52, Solo 35, TFL 19, Sks 11, PBU 3, FF 2, INT 0

Totals:
G-GS 26-24, Tkls, 86, Solo 57, TFL 25.5, Sks 13, PBU 4, FF 4, INT 0

 

[YosemiteSam]

Two Players stats. Which one is which?


1st player:

DE 6'5 258 lbs. Projected 40 4.69

1st Year:
G-GS 13-11, Tkls 64, Solo 46, TFL 19, Sks 11.5, PBU 5, FF 1,

2nd Year:
G-GS 10-10, Tkls 48, Solo 34, TFL 10, Sks 5.5, PBU 2, FF 1, INT 1.

Totals:
G-GS 23-21, Tkls 112, Solo 80, TFL 29, Sks 17, PBU 7, FF 2, INT 1.



2nd Player:

DE 6'5 268 lbs. Projected 40 4.64

1st Year:
G-GS 13-13, Tkls 34, Solo 22, TFL 6.5, Sks 2, PBU 1, FF 2, INT 0

2nd Year:
G-GS 13-11, Tkls 52, Solo 35, TFL 19, Sks 11, PBU 3, FF 2, INT 0

Totals:
G-GS 26-24, Tkls, 86, Solo 57, TFL 25.5, Sks 13, PBU 4, FF 4, INT 0

I wouldn't answer this without seeing the player. Stats can be deceiving. Especially in college.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I wouldn't answer this without seeing the player. Stats can be deceiving. Especially in college.

One is Quinn. The other is Smith from Missouri, who played in the Big 12.

 

[realtick]

You can talk about Ware all you like. I just would not compare this guy to Ware. If you want to make that comparison, feel free.

Time will tell for Quinn.

There is a difference between comparing and simply using another person (Ware) as a reference.

I've made no claims that Quinn is the next Ware.

 

[rash]

Spencer has about 20 lbs on Butler and is much more of a run defender.

Maybe thats cause cause he bites on the run EVERY single time.

If I got a dollar for every time Spencer collapsed on his edge off of playaction, I would have a Benjamin or 2

 

[realtick]

I can live with your contention that Quinn has talent. I think he does. Not certain why you would fail to acknowledge that. However, the ACC is not a good conference, top to bottom in football and hasn't been since Quinn got to the ACC.

Something else that has not been mentioned is the fact that while at Troy, Ware may have been playing against inferior talent but he was also playing with inferior talent. UNC has a lot of talent and has had talent these past few years. They are one of the more talented teams in the ACC. I think that's a difference between the two.

I don't see Quinn as another Ware.

ABQ, you're missing the point entirely.

I've never said the Quinn is the next Ware. I simply used Ware as a reference for a player who played/produced against typically lesser talented teams and still succeeded in the NFL.

The point is just because Robert Quinn racked up some stats against schools like The Citadel, it doesn't mean that he won't be a successful pass-rusher in the NFL.

I could use another player if you would like. How about Suh from Nebraska?

In 2008, Suh didn't register a sack against San Jose State or Western Michigan. Should we have viewed that as an indicator that he wouldn't be able to play in the NFL?

And just to be clear, so I don't any ridiculous replies:

DeMarcus Ware > Quinn
Ndamukong Suh > Quinn
Quinn = good pass rushing prospect

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

There is a difference between comparing and simply using another person (Ware) as a reference.

I've made no claims that Quinn is the next Ware.

Hey, no reason to explain why you introduce Ware into this discussion to me. I don't believe there is a Ware in this draft. What ever you want to do.