Quinn vs Marinelli

[quickccc]

From hearsay, our new DC Dan Quinn wants a defense that is fast and is thinking fast.
Basically I’m taking that as a defense that will be simple and not complex.

He wants players seeing fast, thinking fast, reacting fast, not in a position to be confused, mis-guessing, and out of position.
And I’m sure we are gonna hear the same ole ‘ we have to stress turnovers’ coach speak and hype as well.

I’m hearing about Quinn’s energy, ability to motivate, how he is a mastermind and how he gets the best out of his players .

- But didn’t we hear similar hype with Rod Marinelli as well too ?

- What is gonna be the big difference between Quinn vs Rod Marinelli ?

And Rod has been associated with some past great defenses, particularly Bucs 2002 and his own Chicago Bears where he was DC.

Though Rod was DL coach w/Bucs, those defenses also had studs such as Sapp, Brooks, Rice, Barber and Lynch ..and as a DC w/Bears with Julius, Tillman, Urlacher, Melton, Harris, etc.

Quinn DC’ed a unit with Seattle’s Legion of Boom- that dominated Peyton Manning to a SB blowout win, that’s Quinn’s resume skins on the wall as a DC.

- Some are still pointing to Quinn’s work and failing as a HC in ATL and where his defense didn’t fair well, .. but just like Wade Phillips, I’m not dwelling on Quinn work as a HC, ..i’m solely interested in Quinn as a DC.
I admit that its because of Quinn’s Seattle work that I want to be optimistic, but usually the more successful DCs have multiple significant players to work with.

Quinn had that in Seattle with Sherman, Earl, Wagner, Wright, Chancelor etc.
We don’t have a talent laden roster like that.

 

[fivetwos]

I can't answer that as well as many others here, so I won't attempt to....

But excellent topic. Looking forward to peoples answers.

Edit....I will say however that from go....Quinn can relate to today's pro athlete worlds better than old man Marinelli.

 

[Typhus]

From hearsay, our new DC Dan Quinn wants a defense that is fast and is thinking fast.
Basically I’m taking that as a defense that will be simple and not complex.

He wants players seeing fast, thinking fast, reacting fast, not in a position to be confused, mis-guessing, and out of position.
And I’m sure we are gonna hear the same ole ‘ we have to stress turnovers’ coach speak and hype as well.

I’m hearing about Quinn’s energy, ability to motivate, how he is a mastermind and how he gets the best out of his players .

- But didn’t we hear similar hype with Rod Marinelli as well too ?

- What is gonna be the big difference between Quinn vs Rod Marinelli ?

And Rod has been associated with some past great defenses, particularly Bucs 2002 and his own Chicago Bears where he was DC.

Though Rod was DL coach w/Bucs, those defenses also had studs such as Sapp, Brooks, Rice, Barber and Lynch ..and as a DC w/Bears with Julius, Tillman, Urlacher, Melton, Harris, etc.

Quinn DC’ed a unit with Seattle’s Legion of Boom- that dominated Peyton Manning to a SB blowout win, that’s Quinn’s resume skins on the wall as a DC.

- Some are still pointing to Quinn’s work and failing as a HC in ATL and where his defense didn’t fair well, .. but just like Wade Phillips, I’m not dwelling on Quinn work as a HC, ..i’m solely interested in Quinn as a DC.
I admit that its because of Quinn’s Seattle work that I want to be optimistic, but usually the more successful DCs have multiple significant players to work with.

Quinn had that in Seattle with Sherman, Earl, Wagner, Wright, Chancelor etc.
We don’t have a talent laden roster like that.

Quinn didn’t make size a prerequisite for playing in the secondary.
His Falcons defenses at their peak featured only one regular starter between corner and safety that was over six feet.
His secondary this past season, which included two of Quinn’s drafted cornerbacks and another free agent signing, featured just one guy over six feet as well.
Quinn likes to run a fast athletic defense, so Im good with that hope it works out.

 

[JoeKing]

Quinn is the present, Marinelli is the past, enough said.

 

[DoctorChicken]

I don't know what to think about Quinn. The Legion of Boom was already in Seattle when he arrived.

I guess we'll see. He can't be any worse than Nolan.

 

[DasTex]

Rod had some decent defenses with Dallas and really that is all this offense is going to need. A mid tier defense would have this team at a 10-12 win season, of course unless you have 50% of the offensive starters on the IR again.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

We shall see.

I don't have much faith at all in Quinn though. He is known as the coach that blows embarrassingly huge leads.

Don't forget, Quinn was the head coach of a team that blew a huge lead against us in a season where we had one of the worst defenses of all time.

 

[Aven8]

Stop the run and get TO’s. That’s all I ask.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Rod had some decent defenses with Dallas and really that is all this offense is going to need. A mid tier defense would have this team at a 10-12 win season, of course unless you have 50% of the offensive starters on the IR again.

We ranked top 12 in both rush and pass in 2019 and had the #1 offense in the league and went still 8-8 and missed the playoffs.

You know why we went 8-8 in 2019? We had 3 games where our defense held our opponents to under 17 points. We lost all 3 games and Dak threw a total of ZERO TDs those games. We also lost to the lowly Jets in a game where Dak, once again, threw for a total of ZERO TDs. Dak's play was the reason we went 8-8 instead of 12-4 in 2019, not the defense. Dak padded his stats against the worst teams in the league in 2019 and shrunk against any decent competition we played.

So, unless Dak magically can step his game up against teams .500 or better having a good defense won't matter as much as you think. So, it's not as simple as it seems.

 

[Stash]

From hearsay, our new DC Dan Quinn wants a defense that is fast and is thinking fast.
Basically I’m taking that as a defense that will be simple and not complex.

He wants players seeing fast, thinking fast, reacting fast, not in a position to be confused, mis-guessing, and out of position.
And I’m sure we are gonna hear the same ole ‘ we have to stress turnovers’ coach speak and hype as well.

I’m hearing about Quinn’s energy, ability to motivate, how he is a mastermind and how he gets the best out of his players .

- But didn’t we hear similar hype with Rod Marinelli as well too ?

- What is gonna be the big difference between Quinn vs Rod Marinelli ?

And Rod has been associated with some past great defenses, particularly Bucs 2002 and his own Chicago Bears where he was DC.

Though Rod was DL coach w/Bucs, those defenses also had studs such as Sapp, Brooks, Rice, Barber and Lynch ..and as a DC w/Bears with Julius, Tillman, Urlacher, Melton, Harris, etc.

Quinn DC’ed a unit with Seattle’s Legion of Boom- that dominated Peyton Manning to a SB blowout win, that’s Quinn’s resume skins on the wall as a DC.

- Some are still pointing to Quinn’s work and failing as a HC in ATL and where his defense didn’t fair well, .. but just like Wade Phillips, I’m not dwelling on Quinn work as a HC, ..i’m solely interested in Quinn as a DC.
I admit that its because of Quinn’s Seattle work that I want to be optimistic, but usually the more successful DCs have multiple significant players to work with.

Quinn had that in Seattle with Sherman, Earl, Wagner, Wright, Chancelor etc.
We don’t have a talent laden roster like that.

As a coordinator with Seattle, I think Quinn really maximized the talent that he was given. There weren't all that many really high draft choices invested, certainly not in the defensive line. Quinn seemed to have a knack for making the most of what he had on the defensive line. And the defense didn't seem to rely on splash numbers like sacks and interceptions, but more in playing sound fundamental football and making opposing offenses earn everything that they got. Our defense can certainly use some of that sound coaching, and if we can get it quickly, the turnaround could be quick as well.

 

[DasTex]

We ranked top 12 in both rush and pass in 2019 and had the #1 offense in the league and went still 8-8 and missed the playoffs.

You know why we went 8-8 in 2019? We had 3 games where our defense held our opponents to under 17 points. We lost all 3 games and Dak threw a total of ZERO TDs those games. We also lost to the lowly Jets in a game where Dak, once again, threw for a total of ZERO TDs. Dak's play was the reason we went 8-8 instead of 12-4 in 2019, not the defense. Dak padded his stats against the worst teams in the league in 2019 and shrunk against any decent competition we played.

So, unless Dak magically can step his game up against teams .500 or better having a good defense won't matter as much as you think. So, it's not as simple as it seems.

Stop it with your silly statistics and facts. I like my narrative MUCH better and it makes me feel good inside. This doesn't!

 

[speedkilz88]

Similar defenses from the same coaching tree, but what Marinelli ran was in it's most basic 4-3 form - antiquated. He always talked about running the Seattle scheme but never really did because he never brought in the personnel to do it. He did bring in Richard which brought the kick-step and trail technique to the CBs but he still only had 1 starting CB that fit that scheme - Byron Jones.

Quinn's version is a multiple defense that can have a Leo with 3 down linemen. He's brought in safeties he knows can play his scheme and has 1 starting CB in Diggs and can get another one in this draft. I read an article that Seattle's scheme believes that you should build through the middle of the defense - DTs, LBs, Safeties. It seems that was our weakness because Marinelli seem to be building mostly from the edges - DEs & CBs.

 

[SlammedZero]

I think a lot of us are looking for some magical stats or poster to come in and tell us that it is going to be OK. That we will have a fantastic defense this upcoming season. Truth is, we just won't know until the season begins and the defense reveals itself to the world.

I'm trying to stay optimistic about it, because, why not? He can't possibly be worse than Nolan, he has Super Bowl experience (both good and bad), and this defense was so bad last season that it should really only improve. The draft will certainly tell us a lot about the defense too. Will the team invest into it with some shiny new toys? Time will tell.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I don't know what to think about Quinn. The Legion of Boom was already in Seattle when he arrived.

This is why I'm not sold on Quinn at all. He has no track record of building good defenses wherever he goes. It's all based on that one very talented team, where other DCs had excellent success as well... and the HC is a defensive minded guy, too.

He may work out, but I'm very underwhelmed by the hire. .

 

[75boyz]

3rd downs. My number one tie in to winning games.

If your defense is stopping them and your offense is converting them you most likely are winning.

It's the reason NFL players call it the money down.

The entire "elite status" team roster infrastructure stems from it.

The Left Tackle protecting OR the DE getting to the QB.
The WR making the catch OR the corner breaking it up and/or getting a pick.

And most importantly, the QB, while under duress who can "consistently" make tight window NFL throws while dbs are draped all over his receivers or God forbid possesses the ability to throw that receiver open on sheer arm talent/anticipation alone.

The performances on 3rd downs by all those mentioned above lead to wins or losses.

This team lacks in several of these areas. Especially the most important.

 

[Cowboyny]

From hearsay, our new DC Dan Quinn wants a defense that is fast and is thinking fast.
Basically I’m taking that as a defense that will be simple and not complex.

He wants players seeing fast, thinking fast, reacting fast, not in a position to be confused, mis-guessing, and out of position.
And I’m sure we are gonna hear the same ole ‘ we have to stress turnovers’ coach speak and hype as well.

I’m hearing about Quinn’s energy, ability to motivate, how he is a mastermind and how he gets the best out of his players .

- But didn’t we hear similar hype with Rod Marinelli as well too ?

- What is gonna be the big difference between Quinn vs Rod Marinelli ?

And Rod has been associated with some past great defenses, particularly Bucs 2002 and his own Chicago Bears where he was DC.

Though Rod was DL coach w/Bucs, those defenses also had studs such as Sapp, Brooks, Rice, Barber and Lynch ..and as a DC w/Bears with Julius, Tillman, Urlacher, Melton, Harris, etc.

Quinn DC’ed a unit with Seattle’s Legion of Boom- that dominated Peyton Manning to a SB blowout win, that’s Quinn’s resume skins on the wall as a DC.

- Some are still pointing to Quinn’s work and failing as a HC in ATL and where his defense didn’t fair well, .. but just like Wade Phillips, I’m not dwelling on Quinn work as a HC, ..i’m solely interested in Quinn as a DC.
I admit that its because of Quinn’s Seattle work that I want to be optimistic, but usually the more successful DCs have multiple significant players to work with.

Quinn had that in Seattle with Sherman, Earl, Wagner, Wright, Chancelor etc.
We don’t have a talent laden roster like that.

Bucky Brooks at the time of the hire said that Quinn is an excellent teacher. He spends time after practice working with the younger players. Marinelli was from the same cloth, as many thought he was an excellent teacher along the DL. This was an issue regarding Nolan and his defensive staff. As regards to whose better? They both have struggled picking the right talent via the draft. Quinn's scheme is a bit more modern and less ridgit.

 

[Aven8]

This is why I'm not sold on Quinn at all. He has no track record of building good defenses wherever he goes. It's all based on that one very talented team, where other DCs had excellent success as well... and the HC is a defensive minded guy, too.

He may work out, but I'm very underwhelmed by the hire. .

He’s head and shoulders above Nolan, but having said that in Seattle it was the same thing as Patricia running the NE Defense when we all knew it was Bill. Carroll was the mastermind of that D.

 

[quickccc]

Bucky Brooks at the time of the hire said that Quinn is an excellent teacher. He spends time after practice working with the younger players. Marinelli was from the same cloth, as many thought he was an excellent teacher along the DL. This was an issue regarding Nolan and his defensive staff. As regards to whose better? They both have struggled picking the right talent via the draft. Quinn's scheme is a bit more modern and less ridgit.

- Marinelli always stayed simplistic – never made in game adjustments. I recalled at one point his own players let out their frustrations that it was too simple and predictable for opposing offenses
to take advantage of.

- I keep hearing all we need is just a “decent “ defense. Man, the heck with that !.. Lets reach for higher, difference making goals.
Let’s reach to have the top defense in NFL.
We’ve tried “ decent” with Marinelli and Richard. What has that got us ? In a stellar 2016 year with Dak/Zeke, we had a decent and that unit was railroaded by the likes of McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers

- BTW, while mentioning 2016, that was another problem with Marinelli, he couldn’t adjust to beat Aaron Rodgers when it mattered most. Rodgers always seem to have a field day on us.
Even did it with just one good leg in playoffs of 2014.

- Also I was never impressed with the run defense scheme of Marinelli, often the better run teams could impose their will against us, his blitzing scheme was non-existence and unimaginative,
and he had little regard for the 1 tech role.

- I’ll never forget Marinelli jumping up and down in cheers in the Cowboys war room over a late round scrub draftee DT (Joey -something)

- What made matters worse was his influence and input upon the NFL draft – that led to Taco Charleston over TJ Watt.
He didn’t think Watt fit our scheme, …but yet he had no qualms drafting 237 lb Gregory to put and groom at DE ?

- Rod didn’t always see past the forest trees, he allowed his asst. to groom Byron Jones at FS for several wasted years before Richard changed the dynamics to Byron true role and fit.

 

[charron]

Can Quinn taylor this defense to fit the players we have? Who's scheme is better doesn't matter if you do not have the personnel to run it. Make these guys successful while bringing in the type of guys you'll need to build off that success.

 

[Majic]

One difference will be that Marinelli took players off the draft board effectively. That will not happen with Quinn. Listening to the press conference last week got the feeling that McCarthy will have a greater say in the DEF than was previously thought.