Quinton Coples

[DFWJC]

This is what DC.com had to say on Coples in their Mailbox:

Dijon Kinney - Columbus, OH: Could you see the Cowboys moving up for Quinton Coples, or hoping he falls to them? Would he be an outside linebacker here, or a defensive end? And how good would he be at either position?

Nick: I just don't see the Cowboys moving up too far to get anyone. Now if they're in love with a certain player and they're shocked he's still around after 10 or 11 picks, then possibly I could see that scenario. As for Coples, he's a defensive end in any scheme. Rather he's off the edge in a 4-3 or a 3-4 defensive end, I think that will be his position. The book on him is that he's not a high-motor guy but when he decides to turn it on, he can be dominating. I see a lot of Chris Canty in this guy. Not sure how much of a positive that is.

Josh: I just don't think they have such a huge need right now at any position that it would be worth trading future picks to move up. If he fell to them, I think they could be interested in him as a 3-4 end who might be able to supply a pretty decent pass rush when sliding inside to defensive tackle in nickel situations. But even if he were available at No. 14, I wouldn't be shocked if the Cowboys went another direction.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/news.cfm?id=56317E4A-C3BA-0CF3-DE250F5F23AAF2B9

As far as the odds against any trade up, I agree with both of these guys.

 

[28 Joker]

Quinton Coples is a 43 defensive end, and I think a 43 team will draft him. Coples is a player who needs to operate in space and come off the ball fast. Coples didn't play good when he had to line up (head up) with offensive linemen and read and react. He played high and he couldn't shed blocks and he was ineffective. Charley Casserly has documented Coples' play in 2010 and 2011.

Coples is this year's Nick Fairly. Fairly didn't fit Dallas' scheme, and Coples doesn't fit as a 5 technique.

I can't see the Cowboys drafting a situational pass rusher at 14. That is a heavy price to pay, imo.

I think the Cowboys would rather have someone who is capable of and willing to do the dirty work. Stopping the run is the foundation of a 5 technique's job.

Coples isn't a 2-gap player. He's a pure 43 DE who can kick inside on the nickel. Coples would get killed trying to 2-gap (at the 5 technique) in the NFL.

 

[cbow44]

Quinton Coples is a 43 defensive end, and I think a 43 team will draft him. Coples is a player who needs to operate in space and come off the ball fast. Coples didn't play good when he had to line up (head up) with offensive linemen and read and react. He played high and he couldn't shed blocks and he was ineffective. Charley Casserly has documented Coples' play in 2010 and 2011.

Coples is this year's Nick Fairly. Fairly didn't fit Dallas' scheme, and Coples doesn't fit as a 5 technique.

I can't see the Cowboys drafting a situational pass rusher at 14. That is a heavy price to pay, imo.

I think the Cowboys would rather have someone who is capable of and willing to do the dirty work. Stopping the run is the foundation of a 5 technique's job.

Coples isn't a 2-gap player. He's a pure 43 DE who can kick inside on the nickel. Coples would get killed trying to 2-gap (at the 5 technique) in the NFL.

I think the Cowboys know they have enough people capable of stopping the run and realize they need someone to rush the QB.

 

[btcutter]

Quinton Coples is a 43 defensive end, and I think a 43 team will draft him. Coples is a player who needs to operate in space and come off the ball fast. Coples didn't play good when he had to line up (head up) with offensive linemen and read and react. He played high and he couldn't shed blocks and he was ineffective. Charley Casserly has documented Coples' play in 2010 and 2011.

Coples is this year's Nick Fairly. Fairly didn't fit Dallas' scheme, and Coples doesn't fit as a 5 technique.

I can't see the Cowboys drafting a situational pass rusher at 14. That is a heavy price to pay, imo.

I think the Cowboys would rather have someone who is capable of and willing to do the dirty work. Stopping the run is the foundation of a 5 technique's job.

Coples isn't a 2-gap player. He's a pure 43 DE who can kick inside on the nickel. Coples would get killed trying to 2-gap (at the 5 technique) in the NFL.

Coples is 6'6 284. He is more than athletic enough to take Spencer's position. Or he certainly can gain a few lbs to play DE in 3-4. Seymour is now 310. I don't think he weighted that much out of college.

You have a PROVEN passrusher and you're going to pass? I find a way to get him on the field. If in the 1st yr all he does is pass rush on passing downs and rack up 6-10 sacks..I declare him a success.

Besides, we need more athletes in our front 7 to match up against the Eagles especially. Vick and McCoy is killing us. Coples can only help in that respect.

 

[JBS]

Quinton Coples is a 43 defensive end, and I think a 43 team will draft him. Coples is a player who needs to operate in space and come off the ball fast. Coples didn't play good when he had to line up (head up) with offensive linemen and read and react. He played high and he couldn't shed blocks and he was ineffective. Charley Casserly has documented Coples' play in 2010 and 2011.

Coples is this year's Nick Fairly. Fairly didn't fit Dallas' scheme, and Coples doesn't fit as a 5 technique.

I can't see the Cowboys drafting a situational pass rusher at 14. That is a heavy price to pay, imo.

I think the Cowboys would rather have someone who is capable of and willing to do the dirty work. Stopping the run is the foundation of a 5 technique's job.

Coples isn't a 2-gap player. He's a pure 43 DE who can kick inside on the nickel. Coples would get killed trying to 2-gap (at the 5 technique) in the NFL.

What's your take on Cox?

 

[casmith07]

I'd rather have Whitney Mercilus.

 

[CCBoy]

I'd rather have Whitney Mercilus.

He fits the projection at OLB, with dynamics and creates turnovers...that magical ingredient that turns even games into a blowout. Sure would be handy come games against the Giants and Eagles.

 

[CF74]

I'm not even arguing Coples..I don't like him as a fit in a 3-4

I just literally haven't seen you comment positively on anyone and was curious who you liked

It's refreshing to see some folks in touch with reality and the scheme we run...

Quinton Coples is a 43 defensive end, and I think a 43 team will draft him. Coples is a player who needs to operate in space and come off the ball fast. Coples didn't play good when he had to line up (head up) with offensive linemen and read and react. He played high and he couldn't shed blocks and he was ineffective. Charley Casserly has documented Coples' play in 2010 and 2011.

Coples is this year's Nick Fairly. Fairly didn't fit Dallas' scheme, and Coples doesn't fit as a 5 technique.

I can't see the Cowboys drafting a situational pass rusher at 14. That is a heavy price to pay, imo.

I think the Cowboys would rather have someone who is capable of and willing to do the dirty work. Stopping the run is the foundation of a 5 technique's job.

Coples isn't a 2-gap player. He's a pure 43 DE who can kick inside on the nickel. Coples would get killed trying to 2-gap (at the 5 technique) in the NFL.

I see Cox in the same light...

 

[cowboysooner]

It's refreshing to see some folks in touch with reality and the scheme we run...



I see Cox in the same light...

I have a question: What player in Dallas' front 7, outside of guys we are trying to replace is a better fit in a 3-4 defense?

Our inside linebackers are way better in a 4-3 (Lee at Sam, Carter at Will, & Conner at Mike). Demarcus is Demarcus. We play him like a 4-3 end anyway most of the time. Ratliff is a prototype 3 technique. Hatcher is a great backup 3 technique and nickle pass rush guy. Lissmore is a good 4-3 tackle. The guys that don't have a place are the guys we are either trying to replace (Coleman and Spears) or the guy we are not sure we want to marry (Spencer). I actually think Spencer could play some Sam and defensive end in a Kiwanuka or Wimbley role.

I'd consider Coples for a long time if he is on the board, especially as multiple as Ryan wants to be and also in the 46 fronts both Ryans like to employ.

Coples is as good as it gets as a strong side 4-3 end.

 

[CCBoy]

I have a question: What player in Dallas' front 7, outside of guys we are trying to replace is a better fit in a 3-4 defense?

Our inside linebackers are way better in a 4-3 (Lee at Sam, Carter at Will, & Conner at Mike). Demarcus is Demarcus. We play him like a 4-3 end anyway most of the time. Ratliff is a prototype 3 technique. Hatcher is a great backup 3 technique and nickle pass rush guy. Lissmore is a good 4-3 tackle. The guys that don't have a place are the guys we are either trying to replace (Coleman and Spears) or the guy we are not sure we want to marry (Spencer). I actually think Spencer could play some Sam and defensive end in a Kiwanuka or Wimbley role.

I'd consider Coples for a long time if he is on the board, especially as multiple as Ryan wants to be and also in the 46 fronts both Ryans like to employ.

Coples is as good as it gets as a strong side 4-3 end.

...and this is the reason why he will be gone before Dallas takes a shot at him.

We all should recall how difficult it is to collect a pair of those same defensive ends for a 4-3.

 

[CF74]

I have a question: What player in Dallas' front 7, outside of guys we are trying to replace is a better fit in a 3-4 defense?

Our inside linebackers are way better in a 4-3 (Lee at Sam, Carter at Will, & Conner at Mike). Demarcus is Demarcus. We play him like a 4-3 end anyway most of the time. Ratliff is a prototype 3 technique. Hatcher is a great backup 3 technique and nickle pass rush guy. Lissmore is a good 4-3 tackle. The guys that don't have a place are the guys we are either trying to replace (Coleman and Spears) or the guy we are not sure we want to marry (Spencer). I actually think Spencer could play some Sam and defensive end in a Kiwanuka or Wimbley role.

I'd consider Coples for a long time if he is on the board, especially as multiple as Ryan wants to be and also in the 46 fronts both Ryans like to employ.

Coples is as good as it gets as a strong side 4-3 end.

I'm just questionable of the value at 14 for a 3-4 vs a 4-3 Defensive application....

To answer your question I don't see one, maybe better value in later rounds...

 

[Sarge]

Those UNC guys scare the crap out of me. .

:signmast:

 

[Fredd]

He is my #1 priority for the draft...a difference maker if they can keep his juices flowing...

 

[johnnyd]

He is my #1 priority for the draft...a difference maker if they can keep his juices flowing...

Therein lies the rub .

 

[RS12]

Bob Sturm ‏ @SportsSturm Close
I think we should all get Coples out of our heads. Cowboys aren't touching him at #14. If he is still there, he will keep falling.

 

[rash]

I bet the eagles will draft him

 

[JBS]

I bet the eagles will draft him

eagles need DTs..not ends

 

[mensaone]

Bob Sturm ‏ @SportsSturm Close
I think we should all get Coples out of our heads. Cowboys aren't touching him at #14. If he is still there, he will keep falling.

B-I-N-G-O

 

[reddyuta]

Bob Sturm ‏ @SportsSturm Close
I think we should all get Coples out of our heads. Cowboys aren't touching him at #14. If he is still there, he will keep falling.

this is strange,he wrote an article recently advocating Coples @14,maybe he heard some rumor.

 

[JBS]

this is strange,he wrote an article recently advocating Coples @14,maybe he heard some rumor.

precisely