Quit calling Irvin a "possession" WR,

[vlad]

Did no one else watch his career? Do you not know his yds/catch? Did you watch the guy play? Sterling Sharpe was a possession wr.

Michael averaged like 16 yards per catch for his career, thats pretty damn incredible. You don't call possesion WRs "playmaker."

Could he take a slant and get your the toughest 5 yards in the air you need? Yes. But he could do a hell of a lot more....seriously, look at my post history, I am pretty respectful of everyone's opinions, but this is just idiotic, these people are just passing on things they've read, not accounting for his play that they have seen.

 

[Calicowboy]

Did no one else watch his career? Do you not know his yds/catch? Did you watch the guy play? Sterling Sharpe was a possession wr.

Michael averaged like 16 yards per catch for his career, thats pretty damn incredible. You don't call possesion WRs "playmaker."

Could he take a slant and get your the toughest 5 yards in the air you need? Yes. But he could do a hell of a lot more....seriously, look at my post history, I am pretty respectful of everyone's opinions, but this is just idiotic, these people are just passing on things they've read, not accounting for his play that they have seen.

Possession of what? Just ribbing.

True on your statements Vlad, but Irvin himself has acknowledged being a possession receiver. He wasnt known for his blazing speed, or quick moves, he was known for going over the middle and making the tough catch. Despite taking a hard hit as well. I agree with you Vlad, Irvin could do a whole lot more, but his size and toughness nearly defines what a possession receiver is.

 

[Ashwynn]

Did no one else watch his career? Do you not know his yds/catch? Did you watch the guy play? Sterling Sharpe was a possession wr.

Michael averaged like 16 yards per catch for his career, thats pretty damn incredible. You don't call possesion WRs "playmaker."

Could he take a slant and get your the toughest 5 yards in the air you need? Yes. But he could do a hell of a lot more....seriously, look at my post history, I am pretty respectful of everyone's opinions, but this is just idiotic, these people are just passing on things they've read, not accounting for his play that they have seen.

ok - whatever you say. I dont care if you call him George, he is what he was and that was a playmaker, again, I dont care if it was from #1 or #2. But I will say this much. Whenever we had 3rd and 5, if the ball did not go to Emmitt, it went to a sure handed reciever they knew would move the chains. Hit Irvin and a 7 yard slant. Money. Thas a possession receiver there. But again, you can call him george for all I care. So long as you call him Playmaker george, were square.

 

[jksmith269]

Did no one else watch his career? Do you not know his yds/catch? Did you watch the guy play? Sterling Sharpe was a possession wr.

Michael averaged like 16 yards per catch for his career, thats pretty damn incredible. You don't call possesion WRs "playmaker."

Could he take a slant and get your the toughest 5 yards in the air you need? Yes. But he could do a hell of a lot more....seriously, look at my post history, I am pretty respectful of everyone's opinions, but this is just idiotic, these people are just passing on things they've read, not accounting for his play that they have seen.

Dude Relax being called a Possession WR isn't a bad thing and IMO a possession WR is someone you throw the ball to and they catch it and normally for a first down. think saying he wasn't a Possession WR is more of an insult to his career than just saying he was a Playmaker. Heck Santana Moss is a playmaker but I wouldn't call him a possession WR. The beauty of Irvin was he was both. I remember watching him play Darryl Green when Green was still fairly young and Mike was the first WR I ever remember seeing school Green. I think those images stick in my mind more than any other of him.

 

[lurkercowboy]

Irvin caught plenty of home-run balls in his career. He caught at least a 60 yard pass in eight different seasons. Take a look at his stats versus the elite cornerbacks of his time, like Sanders and Green. Also, recall that some of those years he had the likes of Kevin Williams, Billy Davis and Deion as the second receiver.

 

[Nors]

Irvin was a posession wide receiver.


Thats a compliment, he was great at it. Nobody better at moving the chain and completing the intermediate passes.

 

[JFlgn]

See, the problem is that the definition of possession receiver has changed since it first started being used.

Today, a possession receiver is a big, not supremely quick/fast receiver that can run a slant or an out and make the catch.

When Irvin was playing, a possession receiver was a receiver that you could count on for whatever you need no matter what...a "Playmaker."

Irvin was and forever will be a possession receiver.

 

[Manster]

The term possesion receiver has not changed. It means a one-dimensional wide receiver who works the underneath routes. Michael Irvin was an all around receiver who could work underneath, intermediate and deep routes.
Career average yards per catch.
Randy Moss 16.0
Michael Irvin 15.9
Jerry Rice 14.8

 

[Apollo Creed]

Irvin also would catch that 8 yard stop, and when the smaller corner would try to tackle him he'd spin off and go for 20. Our team in the 90s was so co-dependant on one another it's diffficult to call anyone a playmaker. I'd say the only playmaker I've seen in my lifetime wearing a star was Deion. Except if it's 3rd and 5 like said above, I don't want anyone but Michael Irvin running that slant. During the 90s he was always the 2nd best receiver in the league, and # 1 happened to be the best receiver to ever catch a football Jerry Rice. The Cowboy bias is real, this weekend will re-emphasize that.

 

[jksmith269]

The term possesion receiver has not changed. It means a one-dimensional wide receiver who works the underneath routes. Michael Irvin was an all around receiver who could work underneath, intermediate and deep routes.
Career average yards per catch.
Randy Moss 16.0
Michael Irvin 15.9
Jerry Rice 14.8

Good Numbers but I think Irvins size really helped those numbers because I'd say most of his catches where in the 5-8 yrd range and would take it 15-20 yrds. by using his size to break arm tackles. I think Irvin was a complete receiver.

 

[Eddie]

Not sure why the words bother you. :bang2:

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Irvin was a possession wide receiver, and he just happened to be one of the best posession receiver in NFL history.

He also was in possession of coke and a female--in his bed at a hotel room partying......one of the best at that also!

 

[AbeBeta]

possession is the correct term

on several levels

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Sterling Sharpe was a possession wr.

Sterling Sharpe was not a possesion WR. In his career, he averaged AYPC of 14.4, 15.8, 16.5, 13.9, 13.5, 11.4 and 11.9. 65 career TDs in a shortened 7 year career. Sharpe was the real deal. Unfortunate that things worked out the way they did for him. I can't imagine what Favre's numbers might have worked out to had he played an entire career with Sterling Sharpe available.

 

[Ashwynn]

Irvin was a possession wide receiver, and he just happened to be one of the best posession receiver in NFL history.

He also was in possession of coke and a female--in his bed at a hotel room partying......one of the best at that also!

He was a Playmaker in all aspects of life it seems.

 

[joseephuss]

Irvin also would catch that 8 yard stop, and when the smaller corner would try to tackle him he'd spin off and go for 20. Our team in the 90s was so co-dependant on one another it's diffficult to call anyone a playmaker. I'd say the only playmaker I've seen in my lifetime wearing a star was Deion. Except if it's 3rd and 5 like said above, I don't want anyone but Michael Irvin running that slant. During the 90s he was always the 2nd best receiver in the league, and # 1 happened to be the best receiver to ever catch a football Jerry Rice. The Cowboy bias is real, this weekend will re-emphasize that.

Herschel Walker was a playmaker for a brief time in Dallas. I like Emmitt Smith and Tony Dorsett better, but Herschel's 1988 season(1514 yds rushing/505 yds receiving) was probably the best for a Dallas running back if you consider what little talent was on the rest of the team that year.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Herschel Walker was a playmaker for a brief time in Dallas. I like Emmitt Smith and Tony Dorsett better, but Herschel's 1988 season(1514 yds rushing/505 yds receiving) was probably the best for a Dallas running back if you consider what little talent was on the rest of the team that year.

"Oh yeah Babe". he says in his best Emerald voice.

I mean there was nothing.

Here's what our statistical leaders looked like that year.

1988 Dallas Cowboys Stats

Passing Comp Att Comp % Yds Y/Att TD Int Rating
Steve Pelluer 245 435 56.3 3139 7.22 17 19 73.9
Danny White 29 42 69.0 274 6.52 1 3 65.0
Kevin Sweeney 33 78 42.3 314 4.03 3 5 40.2

Rushing Rush Yds Avg TD
Herschel Walker 361 1514 4.2 5
Steve Pelluer 51 314 6.2 2
Timmy Newsome 32 75 2.3 3
Darryl Clack 11 54 4.9 0
Kevin Sweeney 6 34 5.7 0
Todd Fowler 3 6 2.0 0
Michael Irvin 1 2 2.0 0
Kelvin Martin 4 -4 -1.0 0

Receiving Rec Yds Avg TD
Ray Alexander 54 788 14.6 6
Herschel Walker 53 505 9.5 2
Kelvin Martin 49 622 12.7 3
Michael Irvin 32 654 20.4 5
Timmy Newsome 30 236 7.9 0
Thornton Chandler 18 186 10.3 1
Darryl Clack 17 126 7.4 1
Everett Gay 15 205 13.7 1
Doug Cosbie 12 112 9.3 0
Todd Fowler 10 64 6.4 0
Steve Folsom 9 84 9.3 2
Kelvin Edwards 5 93 18.6 0
Cornell Burbage 2 50 25.0 0
Nate Newton 1 2 2.0 0

 

[Jay9508]

Did no one else watch his career? Do you not know his yds/catch? Did you watch the guy play? Sterling Sharpe was a possession wr.

Michael averaged like 16 yards per catch for his career, thats pretty damn incredible. You don't call possesion WRs "playmaker."

Could he take a slant and get your the toughest 5 yards in the air you need? Yes. But he could do a hell of a lot more....seriously, look at my post history, I am pretty respectful of everyone's opinions, but this is just idiotic, these people are just passing on things they've read, not accounting for his play that they have seen.

more like a physical receiver, that pushed off for the the extra space to make a great play. it was legal then so im not taking any credit from him, he'll be in the HOF

 

[jbsg02]

i read the title and cracked up