"promotion" rule for coaches

[iceberg]

on another board we've gotten into a discussion on whether or not garrett can get out of his contract and take another position with another team. i couldn't find any official ruling and what i could find was from around 2000-2001.

what i could find said that many "promotions" were rules fake and the only way garrett could take another job and get out of his current contract is if it were for a head coaching job, nothing else. well, unless jones gave garrett permission which is the only other way i've seen that possible.

like to get garrett here - we had to get permission, right?

anyway - just checking. anyone know the official rule?

 

[Rackat]

iirc, an Assist Coach has to make a move to a position higher than their current position. In Garrett's case it would have to be HC I believe. And the team with the contract has to give permission for him to interview. The Dolphins gave us a 24 - 36 hour time frame to interview him for our HC opening. But since he was QB coach, an upward move to OC was enough to get him out of the Dolphins contract.

IIRC

 

[Doomsday]

Actually they got rid of the part where assistant coaches can move to take a higher position as teams were making bogus positions to make it appear as a promotion when it was a lateral move. Assistants are only able to go to another team when under contract to become head coaches.

The Dolphins gave us a window to which we could hire Garrett but they didnt have to. Thank you Dolphins!

 

[AbeBeta]

I don't think you can deny a coach a chance at a HC position during the off-season. I think you can deny a guy who is under contract a chance to interview for a different assistant coaching position. I'd assume the reason there is that when you talk about assistant coaching positions there isn't a consistent hierarchy, nor are all assistant positions the same. For example, being the DC under a guy like Lovie Smith certainly reflects less responsibility than being a DB under say, Norv Turner.

That said, I think there is a general understanding among most owners that you would let a guy interview usually for an obvious promotion

 

[sago1]

Believe they changed the rule about asst coaches (no matter how position described). No asst coach under contract can be interviewed for any other job (except head coach) w/o teams' permission. I would hope that Jerry got Garrett to sign a deal foregoing any offer for head coach job at least thru 08 season. We also can't rule out that Garrett's contract could include a clause guaranteeing him Cowboys head coach job within xxx years -- depending on offensive performance, etc.

 

[sonnyboy]

I'm fairly certain that the new or current rule is that any assistant under contract obligated to his team. That team does not have to grant him permission to interview for any position except head coach.

Now its a fairly excepted practice to let position coaches interview for and except coordinator positions with other teams.

The rule was put in place to stop wholesale raiding of a staff.
Example: Cowboys OC gets Saints HC position. Under old rules he could hire Cowboys Secondary coach as DC and QB coach as OC because these coaches were all getting a promotion.

So the bottom line as far as Garrett goes is we can't be certain to keep him.
Once our season ends, if a team offers him a HC position, we can do nothing to stop him from taking it.

This possibility ticks me off for more than obvious reasons.
I believe the current rule on coaching movement should once again be ammended to include the following:
If you hire a coach and the hiring constituted a promotion for that coach. E.I. First time position assistant or first time coordiantor, that coach is obligated to your team for at least three years. He can not leave or interview without permission, even for a HC job.
This is fair. If a team takes a chance on someone filling a role for the first time, that team should reap the benfits of making a good choice for at a few years!

 

[iceberg]

so where do you find the rule "online"?

as it seems i think it's like this:

1. Coach can interview *only* if it's for HC for another team.
2. if for another position *NOT* HC, then they must get the teams permission.

 

[AbeBeta]

I would hope that Jerry got Garrett to sign a deal foregoing any offer for head coach job at least thru 08 season. We also can't rule out that Garrett's contract could include a clause guaranteeing him Cowboys head coach job within xxx years -- depending on offensive performance, etc.

I would hope that neither side was stupid enough to put stuff like that in a contract. Talk about complete loss of leverage.

 

[L-O-Jete]

I'm fairly certain that the new or current rule is that any assistant under contract obligated to his team. That team does not have to grant him permission to interview for any position except head coach.

Now its a fairly excepted practice to let position coaches interview for and except coordinator positions with other teams.

The rule was put in place to stop wholesale raiding of a staff.
Example: Cowboys OC gets Saints HC position. Under old rules he could hire Cowboys Secondary coach as DC and QB coach as OC because these coaches were all getting a promotion.

So the bottom line as far as Garrett goes is we can't be certain to keep him.
Once our season ends, if a team offers him a HC position, we can do nothing to stop him from taking it.

This possibility ticks me off for more than obvious reasons.
I believe the current rule on coaching movement should once again be ammended to include the following:
If you hire a coach and the hiring constituted a promotion for that coach. E.I. First time position assistant or first time coordiantor, that coach is obligated to your team for at least three years. He can not leave or interview without permission, even for a HC job.
This is fair. If a team takes a chance on someone filling a role for the first time, that team should reap the benfits of making a good choice for at a few years!

The new team takes an even bigger risk and with that rule Redball would be stuck in Miami now.

 

[arglebargle]

I would hope that neither side was stupid enough to put stuff like that in a contract. Talk about complete loss of leverage.

I bet there is a handshake deal though. If Garrett can stay 2 to 3 years, he will be the next Cowboys head coach. Barring exceptional flameouts.....