Rams get #1 overall

[BermyStar]

The Chargers have an interesting dilemma. Tunsil and Ramsey will likely be on the board when they pick. Their secondary could definitely use Ramsey whether he replaces Weddle at S or if he steps in as a starting CB. I think the secondary is a bigger weakness than their OL. LT King Dunlap is only 30 and signed 4yr $28mil deal with $13mil guaranteed last February. RT Joe Barksdale agreed to a four year contract extension on March 7, 2016. He got 4yrs $23mil with $10.5mil guaranteed.

Following the money leads me to believe that the Chargers go Ramsey. Yes, it is possible to kick one of the tackles inside to make room for Tunsil but I think they jump at Ramsey knowing they pick early enough in the 2nd to get Ohio St. OT Decker should he fall or Indiana OT Spriggs if he is there in the 2nd.

Interesting. I see your logic. I'm betting they go Tackle though. Rivers and Gordon NEED help.

 

[pjtoadie]

I think this is going to put a lot of teams in panic mode if they were looking for QB. Eagles may leapfrog us for Lynch at this point.

You think Philly is going to trade up to #3 for Lynch? They might not even like him...

 

[KB1122]

I hope you some of you guys like blocking a whole, whole lot, because that's all we're going to have to cheer for in a couple of years.

 

[Stash]

This trade shook up everything. Let's say tunsil falls to us we may be able to take advantage of the titans. Two seconds and their first. We have 3 seconds and a first then.

I'm hoping Ramsey falls but this shakes up everything

But you're also sitting there at #15 and out of the running for this draft's top talent in the process.

Ramsey's gone, Tunsil's gone, Bosa's gone, Elliott's gone. And you're left sifting through second tier talent.

And this fan doesn't want to hear about a raw consolation prize in Paxton Lynch paired up with a staff that can't teach.

 

[big dog cowboy]

At this point, there is no doubt that this league is all about the quarterback. You either have one, or you don't.

Been that way for years.

 

[BermyStar]

Checking the SB Nation sites for the Rams, Browns and Chargers. I'm know rumors and fan sites won't be the end all say all, but I'm trying to formulate a some what informed picture of the top of the draft at least. My money right now says Wentz to LA, Cleveland either takes Goff or trades to a team that wants him, SD takes Tunsil and Dallas lands Ramsey...but who knows?

 

[CowboyChris]

Drafting the consensus best player in the draft is the dumbest thing you've heard all draft season? That seems odd.

if he was the consensus best player in the draft why would he be available at #4? the Rams gave up alot to move up and take someone else, i've never understood the BPA philosphy...going by that approach we could possibly end up with 8 OL when the draft ends. what makes your post ridiculous is not re-upping Frederick cause we can take Tunsil.

 

[Sydla]

I think it makes good sense to me. Free is obviously this line's weakest link and you would be turning that into another strength. He's also closing in on his last legs. You draft Tunsil and you can upgrade and secure the position for 4 years minimum.

You then have a line with virtually no weaknesses or point of attack for defenses. Completely balance with strength throughout, virtually eliminating any forced tendencies. Truly a pick-your-poison for opposing defense's.

But how much better is the OL with Tunsil than without him? I suspect probably not that much more dominant.

So as I said, it's the law of diminishing returns. To me, using the #4 pick on the OL for a moderate, if that, improvement on the OL is a waste when you could use that pick to significantly upgrade another position.

Like let's say Tunsil turns out to be a great OL. But his impact makes the OL a 9 on a 10 point scale as opposed to an 8 without him. But then let's say Ramsey turns out to be a top flight S.

Who has the bigger impact long term for the team? Ramsey.

Not I am not advocating Ramsey. Just saying I think the effect Tunsil has on this OL is not as great as one would hope from a 4th round pick.

 

[Stash]

Bet that changes after this trade. You will see all the mocks changing to Tunsil to SD and Ramsey to Dallas.

I don't think so. I don't think the Chargers value that LT position as much as everyone thinks.

 

[phildadon86]

You think Philly is going to trade up to #3 for Lynch? They might not even like him...

From what I have seen, and knowing how that team operates, all signs point to him being the guy they are targeting.

 

[Miller]

On this trade alone I like the Titans haul. Good way to build

 

[pjtoadie]

From what I have seen, and knowing how that team operates, all signs point to him being the guy they are targeting.

I guess we'll find out...

 

[Stash]

But how much better is the OL with Tunsil than without him? I suspect probably not that much more dominant.

So as I said, it's the law of diminishing returns. To me, using the #4 pick on the OL for a moderate, if that, improvement on the OL is a waste when you could use that pick to significantly upgrade another position.

Like let's say Tunsil turns out to be a great OL. But his impact makes the OL a 9 on a 10 point scale as opposed to an 8 without him. But then let's say Ramsey turns out to be a top flight S.

Who has the bigger impact long term for the team? Ramsey.

Not I am not advocating Ramsey. Just saying I think the effect Tunsil has on this OL is not as great as one would hope from a 4th round pick.

Step back and compare Tunsil to Doug Free. Because that's the guy he will be replacing. I think if you do that objectively, your 'point scale' will look much differently.

And then project that to an offensive line that will have virtually no weakness. No strong or weak side, but every part of it a strength. No tendencies or point of attack for opposing defenses. A true matchup nightmare as long as everyone is healthy.

On top of that, you'll have a veteran sing tackle for a year in Free just in case something happens to Smith or Tunsil. Overkill, but a nice 'problem' to have. A line like that would make each and every skill position player that much better.

 

[fivetwos]

DAMN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This kills BOTH of my dream scenarios at once.

Wanted Wentz at 4 or trade down with Rams for a 2nd and 3rd.

Now what???

DAMN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok I'm removing myself from the ledge.......the following is still possible....

1. Goff
2. Ramsey
3. Tunsil
4. Wentz still falls to us....... OR

1. Wentz
2. Goff
3. Ramsey
4. TUNSIL is still there. Tennesee calls us offering MUCH less than they got from the Rams and still get their guy. Genius move by them. We still get a 2nd and 3rd to move from 4 to 15.

It can still work!!!! Tenn looks really good if they can grab all those picks and still end up with Tunsil.

 

[Sydla]

But you're also sitting there at #15 and out of the running for this draft's top talent in the process.

Ramsey's gone, Tunsil's gone, Bosa's gone, Elliott's gone. And you're left sifting through second tier talent.

And this fan doesn't want to hear about a raw consolation prize in Paxton Lynch paired up with a staff that can't teach.

Yeah but I don't like the options at 4 if the first three picks are Wentz, Goff and Ramsey.

I'd take two second rounders and the 15th for #4 at that point. That gives me four picks in the Top 45 and I can get 3-4 good players if I draft right.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

I was thinking about this the other day. With all the read option offenses in DIV I, when will the NFL have to start adapting? It suddenly appears that the drop-back, pocket passers are becoming far less common.

they've tried and this type of offense has worked a year or two, then it fails. There is a reason why it is not being used. The QB will get killed in the NFL. What is happening is that the lower divisions are attracting the pro style QBs because the big Universities are all playing the spread offense. The same problem is happening with OT. Even the top players from Div 1 don't know how to run block or play from a 3 point stand. Like Urban Meyer said, it's not his job to prepare NFL quarterbacks, its his job to win.

 

[waving monkey]

IF TUNSIL IS THERE, YOU DRAFT HIM AND FIGURE THAT OUT LATER! LIKELY, IT MEANS NOT REUPPING FREDERICK!

so you take a tackle even if it means not signing your proven pro bowl center ,ya right

 

[Sydla]

From what I have seen, and knowing how that team operates, all signs point to him being the guy they are targeting.

How that team operates? What?

 

[slick325]

I cant see anyone passing up a franchise LT for a safety unless they have a true guy in there already.

It depends on how the evaluators in San Diego view Ramsey. He offers position flex so he isn't just a S. He could start day 1 at CB for the Chargers. Or he can be a hybrid of sorts similar to what Dallas did with Byron Jones last season. Personally, I think he can be special at S. Eric Berry, Earl Thomas like special at S. Of course it is a gamble but all these prospects are gambles.

Tunsil is a pretty clean player across the board. But, the gap between Tunsil and Stanley or Conklin may not be as wide as we think. Grabbing Tunsil and playing him a G until Dunlap is released is a distinct possibility and having to figure out how to get your best players on the field is a good problem. I just think the way the draft falls for the Chargers may end up with BPA meeting dire need and Ramsey becomes the pick. Especially if the grades are close between Tunsil (say 95) and Ramsey (say 94).

We shall see...

 

[Stash]

I think they gave up too much personally.

But it always amazes me how some fans cant grasp the concept of how the Cowboys should take a QB #4 if they have the chance and a franchise guy is there. The Rams give up two years worth of 1st,2nd, and 3rd rounders to get their guy. News flash..................franchise QB's are the most important thing in football. If you dont have to give up a kings ransom to get the next one and you have the chance at the #4 pick, you HAVE to take him. NOT a RB, NOT a CB, but take the franchise guy. Sadly, it looks like we may not even get the chance this year. Maybe this trade will put things in perspective for those that wanted to NOT take a QB at #4.

Don't hold your breath! It's like some people can't see the forest for the trees!