Rams offensive failure

[GMO415]

Goff and McVay choked

Calling plays into your QBs helmet against Belicheck won't work. Goff after three seasons can't read a defense

 

[Doomsday101]

When you say that Brady does the same thing as Dak but Dak gets "ripped" for it, you are saying it. You're saying they play the position the same way (dink and dunk). Only folks here would continue to compare Brady to Dak and in any way feel that they play a similar style. Brady's not going to the HoF because he made a career of "dinking and dunking" his way through the NFL.

The strategy is the same, there are a lot of short routs that are constantly targeted by Brady, he is the king of dink and dunk which is why he is seldom sacked. Dak has to do a better job of making the quick read and getting the ball out quickly, if he can do that then what Dallas is doing offensively will have success. Brady will get to the HOF because of his success the means in which that success has come is a lot of short balls be is Wes Welker, Amendola or Edelman. I hear many here saying you can't win dinking and dunking, Brady proves that as false he has made a living doing just that

 

[GMO415]

Rams offense was predictable....they ran on every 1sr down. Sound familiar?

 

[MyFairLady]

Gurley wasn't right and the HC knew that. I will always believe that.Otherwise, McVay is a HUGE moron.

100% agree. Bellicheat called McVay's bluff and McVay had no response. He took away play action because he did not respect it. Without play action Goff is super limited.

 

[zenmastersauce]

Even Romo said the Rams needed to change up to throw more on 1st down and use play action but in the end the Pats were able to control the line and when the Rams passed they got pressure on Goff. Not that complicated, teams winning the line of scrimmage will normally win the game. Meantime Pats did the same stuff over and over on offense, dink and dunk, dink and dunk. I find it funny Dak gets ripped for it yet Brady has made a living off the dink and dunk.

Decent point. NE does the same thing again and again and again. And everyone knows what they will do. But they also can switch it up at the drop of a hat too. The situational football sense. The Boys sadly do not have that and a large part of that comes from the coaching. That SB was not Brady's best ever but he made the throws when it mattered right? Ask people like Aaron how depending simply on miracles to get you a win works out for him.

 

[OmerV]

true it is 20/20 coaching after the fact. What I saw was as long as the Pats front 7 were winning the battles up front the Rams would struggle. It is not as easy as saying you need to run more, if you are not getting it blocked up front it does not matter what plays you are calling. There were some things I was surprised the Rams did not do which was using Gurley more in the passing game, he had 1 catch on the night, I would have thought they would try to get him involved in the passing game. Bottom line if you can't control the line of scrimmage you will struggle to do much of anything.

I agree it's not as easy as saying you need to run more, but neither is it as easy as saying you need to pass more. What we know is the Rams offensive success over the season was based on having both a strong passing game and a strong running game, and in this game they really only tried to establish the passing game, even while the passing game was consistently failing, and in doing so took what may be the most potent offensive player they have out of the mix.

 

[Doomsday101]

Decent point. NE does the same thing again and again and again. And everyone knows what they will do. But they also can switch it up at the drop of a hat too. The situational football sense. The Boys sadly do not have that and a large part of that comes from the coaching. That SB was not Brady's best ever but he made the throws when it mattered right? Ask people like Aaron how depending simply on miracles to get you a win works out for him.

Brady does not make many mistakes and very few negative plays. The stats of as of now being sacked 1 time in post season is a testament to avoiding the negatives that tend to hurt the offense. That is loss of down and distance yet Brady is able to avoid that much of due to his quick passes that like it or not tend to be a lot of dink and dunk throws. In doing that he stays in manageable down and distance situation which allows the playbook to remain wide open.

 

[Qcard]

Calling plays into your QBs helmet against Belicheck won't work. Goff after three seasons can't read a defense

Jeff Fisher wasn't about that life as a Coach. He tried to coach up Goff but his style (old school) didn't work.
McVay has had training wheels on Goff all season long...Pats sending in 2 defensive play calls and not showing alignment till Goffs head set cut off at 15secs was to be expected.
It forced Goff to add a mental step in his drop back.. Usually McVay would tell him after seeing defense to look for for X or HB or Y which allowed Goff to get off quicker.

The added step allowed Dbs to close quicker

 

[Roadtrip635]

Jared "Buttercup" Goff was horrible, panicky, slow on reads, slow on throws, inaccurate, lack of poise........

 

[kskboys]

The Pats defeated the top 2 offenses in the league in the AFCCG and the SB. NE's talent may not be elite, but Belichick absolutely is.

Define elite.

Can you name an area of the team of NE in which they are subpar?

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree it's not as easy as saying you need to run more, but neither is it as easy as saying you need to pass more. What we know is the Rams offensive success over the season was based on having both a strong passing game and a strong running game, and in this game they really only tried to establish the passing game, even while the passing game was consistently failing, and in doing so took what may be the most potent offensive player they have out of the mix.

and running was doing nothing as well. Just my opinion I think getting Gurley involved in the passing game maybe that would have helped. You are putting the ball into a playmakers hand in open space and the passes then to be quicker. However Rams never did that. In the end I do think the same can be summed up by losing the line of scrimmage battle and 2 not capitalizing on a missed opportunity like the late throw to woods in the endzone. that should have been an easy TD instead Goff sees him late and the pass was late allowing the defender to get back and knock it down.

 

[kskboys]

When you say that Brady does the same thing as Dak but Dak gets "ripped" for it, you are saying it. You're saying they play the position the same way (dink and dunk). Only folks here would continue to compare Brady to Dak and in any way feel that they play a similar style. Brady's not going to the HoF because he made a career of "dinking and dunking" his way through the NFL.

Yes, he is.

What makes you say that he isn't? Brady uses the dink and dunk to completely destroy opposing D's. CC of Montana.

 

[zenmastersauce]

Brady does not make many mistakes and very few negative plays. The stats of as of now being sacked 1 time in post season is a testament to avoiding the negatives that tend to hurt the offense. That is loss of down and distance yet Brady is able to avoid that much of due to his quick passes that like it or not tend to be a lot of dink and dunk throws. In doing that he stays in manageable down and distance situation which allows the playbook to remain wide open.

And that is smart. That is what every QB should do to an extent and becomes more needed in the postseason because you will not get those ultra long cool passing tds you see in the regular season. The dink and dunk only becomes an issue when its relied on very often. And when it does you look at the scheme and the qb play and determine if its one or both at fault. Our plays take too long to generate which can lead to Dak holding the ball too long instead of making a play with his legs or finding another option. But in that situation if plays are designed to get the ball out faster and Dak reads breakdowns in the defense faster, our offense gets better period.

 

[Doomsday101]

And that is smart. That is what every QB should do to an extent and becomes more needed in the postseason because you will not get those ultra long cool passing tds you see in the regular season. The dink and dunk only becomes an issue when its relied on very often. And when it does you look at the scheme and the qb play and determine if its one or both at fault. Our plays take too long to generate which can lead to Dak holding the ball too long instead of making a play with his legs or finding another option. But in that situation if plays are designed to get the ball out faster and Dak reads breakdowns in the defense faster, our offense gets better period.

Jimmy Johnson once said winning games is not about how many spectacular plays you make it is about avoiding the negative plays that get you beat. I think there is a lot of truth to that.

 

[Dodger12]

Yes, he is.

What makes you say that he isn't? Brady uses the dink and dunk to completely destroy opposing D's. CC of Montana.

If it was that easy then teams would play him the same way they play Dak and Brady can and has beaten teams a lot of different ways. This is just a way to make folks feel better about Dak and his game, by somehow comparing it to one of the GOAT's. And props to you for throwing Montana in there as well. Like I said, it's scary the similarities in their respective game(s).

 

[OmerV]

and running was doing nothing as well. Just my opinion I think getting Gurley involved in the passing game maybe that would have helped. You are putting the ball into a playmakers hand in open space and the passes then to be quicker. However Rams never did that. In the end I do think the same can be summed up by losing the line of scrimmage battle and 2 not capitalizing on a missed opportunity like the late throw to woods in the endzone. that should have been an easy TD instead Goff sees him late and the pass was late allowing the defender to get back and knock it down.

I don't doubt that getting Gurley involved in the passing game may have helped. Obviously getting your top playmakers involved always makes sense. But your thoughts about the running game are still based on assuming early results were certain to carry through to the entire game, which, again, history shows that's not how it works. How many times have we seen Zeke not do much in the first quarter and go on to a big game? How many times did we see Emmitt do it? My guess is the Rams have seen it a number of times with Gurley as well.

 

[Rayman70]

McVay outstmarted himself gravely OR gurley was hurt. Its a pretty easy choice. One or the other.

 

[Rayman70]

RB'S don't need a stationary Bike as much as what Gurley was on during the game. That's a red flag. I get it..he needed to stay loose...but if he were healthy, he would be in the game more than the 15% he was used. Open your eyes guys. HE WAS USED A SCANT AMOUNT for obvious reasons. He isn't right physically. We never saw that violent running style when he did have limited success...it was always him picking his spots. He was favoring that knee.Even the sideline reporter said as much during warm ups.

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't doubt that getting Gurley involved in the passing game may have helped. Obviously getting your top playmakers involved always makes sense. But your thoughts about the running game are still based on assuming early results were certain to carry through to the entire game, which, again, history shows that's not how it works. How many times have we seen Zeke not do much in the first quarter and go on to a big game? How many times did we see Emmitt do it? My guess is the Rams have seen it a number of times with Gurley as well.

Then we are both making assumption since the run game was not producing anything. Fact is they threw the ball quite a bit as well on the season. Pats were winning the line of scrimmage and not giving the RB no where to run. Had they ran all night long and continue to fail I'm sure people would have asked why did you continue to do what was not working. You make this claim as if had they continue to run it would have been different and you don't know that. I think what was obvious was the fact Rams OL was getting beat on a lot of penetration by the Pats and it is hard to do much when that is happening

 

[mahoneybill]

Didn't watch the game but how did the Rams 12th Man do making all the adjustments at the line for his QB.

Not too well. Give him credit though he owned up to never getting his play selection right and letting the team down...