Ramsey.....not the answer ?!?!?

[KINGBRICE_28]

I am dumbfounded.....

Ramsey had a decent game against THAT defense. His only pick was a dropped pass shuffled into a DB's hands....

there was 6 or 7 drops

100+yards in penalties

portis had a handful of carries after the half....

no pass was completed over 15 yards.....

Sean Taylor hit TO in the face after the play

This score was 7-6 at half......

Obviously the formula used kept them in the game........

ST then had a INT resulting in a punt

they had a 1st & Goal on the 10 and on 4th down missed a 48 yard FG....

LaVar , Daniels, barrow, hall, griffen = 5 starters out , 4 on defense.....

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Either Gibbs didn't call a deep pass all game or the eagles have the best CB's in the game......

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I guess were in the same boat this week........

 

[AJM1613]

I am dumbfounded.....

Ramsey had a decent game against THAT defense.

What's that mean?

His only pick was a dropped pass shuffled into a DB's hands....

It was a linebacker.

Either Gibbs didn't call a deep pass all game or the eagles have the best CB's in the game......

They're both getting All-Pro consideration.

Yeah I know...crazy.

 

[KINGBRICE_28]

What's that mean?

It was a linebacker.

They're both getting All-Pro consideration.

#1- The agles have a good pass defense, and it's not a good team to get your first start against.......

#2- Thats what I meant....:doh:.....I was picturing Ike reese and typed DB...lol

#3- I knew that...then again HONESTLY they shouldn't because the line makes all CB's better....( note ) our CB's......allowing less points , and yards than the eagles.........Maybe the best CB of the two though should make the #3 guy.....

 

[KINGBRICE_28]

NFL.COM-------->


THIS SUMS UP THE WHOLE GAME.....

McNabb ran five times for 34 yards, was sacked three times, lost a fumble and was intercepted in the first 35 minutes.

He completed 9 of 12 passes for 93 yards and three scores the rest of the way. McNabb was 18-for-26 for 222 yards before Koy Detmer came in to finish the game.


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Offense couldn't stay on the field= defense got tierd.....

 

[Eskimo]

Disregard my nonsense.

 

[Tio]

What's that mean?



It was a linebacker.



They're both getting All-Pro consideration.

Yeah I know...crazy.

I know sheppard is having a great year. Not sure about brown.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

From what I saw of the game in the second half it does indeed seem as gibbs was calling a game where he was afraid of passing the ball down the field.

How many hitch to the sidelines passes are they going to call...they are really lucky Philly did not int two or three of them.

However I will say this, Ramsey was not getting much help from his targets as they had the dropsies when he indeed threw down field some.

Also that was a TERRIBLE call and even replay call on the eagles WR stepping out of bounds before he got the first down.
Not that it would have made a difference for the skins, and it is in no way me defending the skins....just calling it as I seen it..bad call and even worse when the went to the replay and it was so obvious...bad call.

But the skins were not going to win that game....the Eagles without a doubt won that game and in a convincing fashion just like they beat the cowboys.

 

[KINGBRICE_28]

I'LL BE HONEST...I picked us to lose this game........I'm 13-2-w/o the monday night game. ......I didn't think we could beat them with all these injuries. I was suprised we were still in the game in the 4th. But thats usually when our 6 backup replacements get tierd.........

 

[AJM1613]

I know sheppard is having a great year. Not sure about brown.

Sheppard lets up some plays playing LCB, but he also gets interceptions and has two defensive touchdowns (tied with Ed Reed).

Brown doesn't get any interceptions but is hardly ever thrown at playing RCB and nickel back.

Sheppard has let up two touchdowns (Moss and Williams), Brown has let up one (Ward).

I'LL BE HONEST...I picked us to lose this game........I'm 13-2-w/o the monday night game. ......I didn't think we could beat them with all these injuries. I was suprised we were still in the game in the 4th. But thats usually when our 6 backup replacements get tierd.........

Every team has injuries.

 

[Tio]

Sheppard lets up some plays playing LCB, but he also gets interceptions and has two defensive touchdowns (tied with Ed Reed).

Brown doesn't get any interceptions but is hardly ever thrown at playing RCB and nickel back.

Sheppard has let up two touchdowns (Moss and Williams), Brown has let up one (Ward).

I would say he is having about as an impressive year as any 1nd corner has, except for springs. I think he is very similar to newman, that he doesn't make many plays, but he doesn't allow many either(atleast in 7 of the 9 games, in newmans case)

Every team has injuries.

Your telling me

 

[Monte51Coleman]

From what I saw of the game in the second half it does indeed seem as gibbs was calling a game where he was afraid of passing the ball down the field.

How many hitch to the sidelines passes are they going to call...they are really lucky Philly did not int two or three of them.

However I will say this, Ramsey was not getting much help from his targets as they had the dropsies when he indeed through down field some.

Also that was a TERRIBLE call and even replay call on the eagles WR stepping out of bounds before he got the first down.
Not that it would have made a difference for the skins, and it is in no way me defending the skins....just calling it as I seen it..bad call and even worse when the went to the replay and it was so obvious...bad call.

But the skins were not going to win that game....the Eagles without a doubt won that game and in a convincing fashion just like they beat the cowboys.

BP- The play calling has been consistently the way that you characterized it all season because we didn't have a qb playing that could throw the ball accurately more than 5 yards. The surprise from yesterday was that Ramsey wasn't given more of a chance to use him arm to stretch the field. Gibbs said in his pc that his main objective was to keep Ramsey "clean" in his first start by using max protection schemes. He didn't want him to get buried. (quite a vote of confidence for our line)
Ramsey looked as good as I have seen him considering the game plan. He was accurate, showed poise and good decision making. He never put the ball up for grabs and didn't once hold the ball too long. If not for about 5-6 easy drops his stats would have been much better. All in all his performance was encouraging. Compared to watching Brunell he makes me downright giddy.

 

[AJM1613]

There was one play when Coles burnt Hood, and Ramsey overthrew him.

 

[Monte51Coleman]

There was one play when Coles burnt Hood, and Ramsey overthrew him.

And? You're not implying that he is the 1st qb to ever overthrow an open receiver are you?

 

[AJM1613]

And? You're not implying that he is the 1st qb to ever overthrow an open receiver are you?

No everyone does it, but he wasn't great.


They gave him a chance and he missed it, your best receiver our nickel back.

 

[Monte51Coleman]

No everyone does it, but he wasn't great.


They gave him a chance and he missed it, your best receiver our nickel back.

Where did I say he was great? I said he looked as good as I had seen him. Where did I say he didn't get chances? I said I was surprised that he didn't get more chances. However, he was great when compared to the performances that Brunell had been putting forth.

Please do everyone a favor and read the posts before you respond to them. An intelligent debate requires both sides to listen to and understand what is being discussed.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

BP- The play calling has been consistently the way that you characterized it all season because we didn't have a qb playing that could throw the ball accurately more than 5 yards. The surprise from yesterday was that Ramsey wasn't given more of a chance to use him arm to stretch the field. Gibbs said in his pc that his main objective was to keep Ramsey "clean" in his first start by using max protection schemes. He didn't want him to get buried. (quite a vote of confidence for our line)
Ramsey looked as good as I have seen him considering the game plan. He was accurate, showed poise and good decision making. He never put the ball up for grabs and didn't once hold the ball too long. If not for about 5-6 easy drops his stats would have been much better. All in all his performance was encouraging. Compared to watching Brunell he makes me downright giddy.

Long time no see...hope you have been well.

I would imagine the skins fans have to be excited to see ramsey back in there...I know many Boys fans are excited about the Idea of Henson playing and taking over.
Also must be a real slap in the head to realize that the Skins WAY overpaid for Brunell....I have to be honest I felt they overpaid, but I had no idea he had went down hill so fast, sure I did not figure him to be as good as he once was but man even if a QB has a weak arm the accuracy should still be there on short routes...It really shocked me to see Brunell play so bad.

Now I am curious and since you are a skins fan I will ask.

Do you think the Skins may try to get another QB in the offseason to either start (a FA) or possible use their first round pick on a QB to groom for the future.

I just get the feeling that Gibbs...or to be fair Snyder just does not have faith or does not like Ramsey as he has been shuffled in and out, before gibbs and did not get the start under gibbs until now.

Furthermore when is Ramsey's contract up...do you think there is a high chance they will not resign him...or if he may wish to go somewhere else because of his playing exp in Washington?

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Now I am curious and since you are a skins fan I will ask.

Do you think the Skins may try to get another QB in the offseason to either start (a FA) or possible use their first round pick on a QB to groom for the future.

I just get the feeling that Gibbs...or to be fair Snyder just does not have faith or does not like Ramsey as he has been shuffled in and out, before gibbs and did not get the start under gibbs until now.

Furthermore when is Ramsey's contract up...do you think there is a high chance they will not resign him...or if he may wish to go somewhere else because of his playing exp in Washington?

I, like most Commanders fans was very excited to see if Ramsey would make a difference this year. Now dont get me wrong, because I have never been sold on Ramsey as the QB of the future. But anything had to be better than what we had be seeing through 10 weeks with Brunell.

The offensive game plan was flat out terrible.
Not stretching the LBs and safeties on those running plays was just terrible. Not giving Ramsey many opportunities to get into a vertical game was terrible.
Not using Cooley effectively was terrible.

If you dont have confidence in either of your top 2 QBs, than bring in the guy who has no expectations, which is Hasselbeck. It wouldnt matter if he looked great or awful. He isnt going anywhere. Playing Ramsey and having him look bad just diminishes his trade value. He was a first round pick and I was hoping that Brunell played well this season and the Commanders could get at least a high 2nd rounder for him. At this point they will be fortunate to get a 3rd rounder.

I dont believe Ramsey will be in a Commanders uniform for much longer. I admire the kids toughness and heart, but he just isnt as good as most people think he is.

The only way I see the Commanders taking a QB with the 1st round pick is if they can trade Ramsey. That said, the way Gibbs is he wouldnt play and we would be back to square one with Brunell starting again.

BTW- I know this was a ? for M51C.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I, like most Commanders fans was very excited to see if Ramsey would make a difference this year. Now dont get me wrong, because I have never been sold on Ramsey as the QB of the future. But anything had to be better than what we had be seeing through 10 weeks with Brunell.

The offensive game plan was flat out terrible.
Not stretching the LBs and safeties on those running plays was just terrible. Not giving Ramsey many opportunities to get into a vertical game was terrible.
Not using Cooley effectively was terrible.

If you dont have confidence in either of your top 2 QBs, than bring in the guy who has no expectations, which is Hasselbeck. It wouldnt matter if he looked great or awful. He isnt going anywhere. Playing Ramsey and having him look bad just diminishes his trade value. He was a first round pick and I was hoping that Brunell played well this season and the Commanders could get at least a high 2nd rounder for him. At this point they will be fortunate to get a 3rd rounder.

I dont believe Ramsey will be in a Commanders uniform for much longer. I admire the kids toughness and heart, but he just isnt as good as most people think he is.

The only way I see the Commanders taking a QB with the 1st round pick is if they can trade Ramsey. That said, the way Gibbs is he wouldnt play and we would be back to square one with Brunell starting again.

BTW- I know this was a ? for M51C.

It's ok for you to answer....and it was a good read IMO.

I heard your o-line just had another blow with Randy Thomas getting injured now.
Injuries really suck...I feel your pain with us losing J.Jones earlier this year, Woodson out and terry Glenn out...it has hurt our team.

 

[Monte51Coleman]

Long time no see...hope you have been well.

I would imagine the skins fans have to be excited to see ramsey back in there...I know many Boys fans are excited about the Idea of Henson playing and taking over.
Also must be a real slap in the head to realize that the Skins WAY overpaid for Brunell....I have to be honest I felt they overpaid, but I had no idea he had went down hill so fast, sure I did not figure him to be as good as he once was but man even if a QB has a weak arm the accuracy should still be there on short routes...It really shocked me to see Brunell play so bad.

Now I am curious and since you are a skins fan I will ask.

Do you think the Skins may try to get another QB in the offseason to either start (a FA) or possible use their first round pick on a QB to groom for the future.

I just get the feeling that Gibbs...or to be fair Snyder just does not have faith or does not like Ramsey as he has been shuffled in and out, before gibbs and did not get the start under gibbs until now.

Furthermore when is Ramsey's contract up...do you think there is a high chance they will not resign him...or if he may wish to go somewhere else because of his playing exp in Washington?

I don't think that you would find many fans who liked the Brunell deal when it happened. The ones who did like it, for the most part, did so because of their belief in Coach Gibbs not in Brunell. The scariest part for me was that we signed him without being able to work him out since he was the property of the Jaguars. Without having recent film to study and having his age to take into consideration that seemed like a terrible gamble. But in our minds Coach Gibbs was not going to be seriously second guessed at that time. Hey, he had earned that much.

I think your question about the qb situation/plans will be answered by the end of the season. Ramsey's performance will go a long way toward dictating our future plans at that position. Patrick's contract runs through 2006. He has not really been shuffled in and out. Once he became the starter under Spurrier he was only out due to injuries like the foot he had operated on last season. It's not Snyders fault either. In fact, he was the reason Ramsey was drafted. I think that it all comes down to a couple of factors.

1) Gibbs has always preferred a veteran qb who manages the game well and doesn't make silly mistakes.
2) Gibbs is very loyal to his players (many say to a fault) and simply held on to the belief that Brunell could turn his play around for too long.
3) When you invest that kind of money in a player I would think that the tendency would be to give the situation too much time as opposed to too little.

A couple more thoughts. Our play calling has been so conservative, in my opinion, because of the generally poor performance of our o-line. Both in run blocking and in pass protection. I would think that, at this time, that is going to be the area of focus during the upcoming off season. That and finding a pass rushing DE.

Brunell's performance was so pi$$ poor that the logical time to make the qb change would of been during our bye week. That would have given Ramsey two weeks to work with the starting offense and would have had him face GB, at Detroit, and Cincinatti in his first three starts. Instead he got one week and his first four starts are/were at Philly, at Pittsburgh, NYG, and Philly again. Tough duty for someone who has gotten 10% of the snaps in practice all season.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

There was one play when Coles burnt Hood, and Ramsey overthrew him.

Actually I saw that play, it was a clean open field breakaway touchdown if Ramsey would have connected. I couldn't believe the ball sailed significantly over his head.

But what I don't know if there was an ample amount of pressure placed on Ramsey that would warrant the overthrown ball.