Random Thoughts Cowboys Defense

Playmaker3128

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I don’t understand vs two above average qbs the past two games... two teams that didn’t exactly have a ton of weapons why we didn’t disguise or send more pressure.

we sat back and let them know we were only rushing 4 guys. Hell against Trubisky the one time we diaguised the blitz we got to him.

go back look at the eagles game we were doing some crazy things in terms of pressures.

I don’t get why were scared to mix it up. You give up a big play so be it. You have an offense that can put up points. Take some chances... get some turnovers. I’d rather take risks than die a slow death sitting back
 

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Random thought.....

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ironically the Rams run a 3-4 scheme led by Wade Phillips who implemented his same 3-4 scheme here as well.

but the big difference between Wade's 3-4 scheme vs other teams 3-4 scheme, is Wade's version is not designed to be a 2 gap scheme, its' more one gap oriented
and basically made to slant the front seven vs head up and hold up like other 3-4 units does.
Explains why Ratliff was able to operate as an undersized 3-4 nose tackle at 295 for so long before he eventually wore down.
Ratliff was good for around 2 years.
 

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No, they cut way back on stunting starting in the preseason.

Stunting is not the core problem; although it does make things worse.

The primary way the Rams and other teams have attacked the Cowboys with Zone Runs:

Start an outside zone run to the side where the 1tech is aligned.

RB keys on the 1tech and backside LB to see if they over-commit or under-commit to the outside.

If they over-commit outside then the RB cuts back inside and vice-versa.

The RB knows how the OLine will block those players. The defenders are moving laterally. Blockers just need to get between them and the inside or outside. As long as the RB and OL "read" it the same way, it is hard for those 2 defenders to ever make the correct decision on inside vs outside.

In 2018 the Pats were running a 4-3 base defense.

In the Super Bowl Belichick swapped the OLB and Nickel CB positions.

Example: Slot WR outside LT.
The LB normally on the opposite side moved outside the LT.
The Nickel CB moved to the opposite side (outside the RT).
With the LB outside the RDE, the RDE played the gap inside the LT instead of outside the LT. That gap was normally assigned to a LB. Against the run they are just flipping gap responsibility between the RDE and a LB (i.e. The LB outside the LT now has that gap).

Note: The 1tech is on the side with the RDE.

Now the outside LB's run responsibilities are always outside regardless of whether the RB goes outside or cuts back inside.

The MLB's run responsibilities are always inside.

The 1tech does not need to make a quick jump to the outside to play the outside run.

The obvious "catch" is coverage. The LB plays a short zone and can block the inside path of the slot WR. A Safety has to pick up the slot WR behind the OLB's short zone.

On the other side the Nickel CB will match-up with the TE.

That simple change completely turned the Rams precision blocking scheme upside down. Without success running on 1st/2nd downs, the Rams QB became a sitting duck against the Pats 3rd down defense.

The Pats often use 6 big LBs and 1 DT on 3rd downs. They move around making it difficult for OLinemen to know who to block.

This season the Pats are playing more 3-4 on 1st downs which makes it easier to play run defense and keep the Nickel CB on the slot WR.

The other thing the Pats do is to vary the exact positioning of DLinemen based on specific down/distance and offensive alignment.

They are very focused on whether they are head-up or shaded in or out relative to the OL they're facing. They often adjust by half a gap just before the snap.

If you watch the Cowboys offense on zone runs, just having a DT aligned a half gap over can make a huge difference on many plays. It determines if the OLineman or the DLineman has better leverage on that snap.

I can't say our 1 gap scheme is the biggest issue

there are a ton of things which can be done to confuse blockers and gain leverage, including alignment
but they don't and that's the problem, they just man up and go for it - it's a simple a read-n-run

IMO, it's the base 4-2, and how poorly they have stocked key positions
or rather ... just how much talent it takes to execute such a thing
the scheme basically attempts to physically manhandle the O with zero deception

it takes awesome talent - for example,
without LBs with the size and freakish atleticism of Jaylon and Leighton don't even try this,
it takes 4 DBs who can play both man and press well (most teams don't have 2)
and one heck of a FS playing man over most of the day

the opposing QB knows you're not going to even pretend a cover 2 ...
it's almost all one-on-one cover outside with no parts of a true zone and rarely man zone
it also known the scheme is subject to getting run gashed
the back 7 to a man have to make great tackles in open space

worse your SS has to play either SLB vs the run or dime CB vs crossing patterns depending on what the O does, you better have Ss like Renfro / Green / Blount / Lott / Woodson to make that work
and this FO don't even draft Ss

upfront your playside DE has to secure the edge on his way to the QB - it take DLaw talent to do that
the D1 has to beat doubles teams and the D3 (position) needs to make about 10 disruptive plays a game

once in a decade or or so does the NFL see a defense with enough talent pull it off
it's sort of stuff Landry could do in the early 70s (with 7 HOFers), Noel's Steelers, a couple of Jimmy defenses, and Carroll's Legion of Boom

it's rather arrogant to even attempt - just the sort of unsustainable thing JJ would try
 

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Just like our offense our defense also suffers from being predictable and doesn't innovate. The scheme that Maranelli runs is absolute poo and its susceptible to being gashed by the run all the time. We have too many DEs playing DTs or even undersized defensive tackles that easily gets muscled out of the way.

This leads back to coaching - where we all know that Garrett is totally clueless on how to improve the defense. Thus they don't make proper changes. They don't innovate and draw up schemes on defense to win games. We are basically a pro team that is lead by high school coaches.
 

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I think if they go man coverage they need to blitz more because McVay will have his WRs run those crossing routes in traffic underneath that are very hard to cover on man to man.
Bring a safety off the edge and let Jaylon drop back under the crossing route. Gee we just made a adjustment.
 

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I am tired of trying to fix the defense with gadgets, toys, bottom-feeding players or whatever. How about we invest some REAL resources as we've done with the offense.
 

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Coverage was much better in 2018 than in 2017. It was fundamentally sound in 2018. CB Brown said the 2017 coaches never coached him to play inside or outside leverage, etc..

#ClownTeam

On most teams, I wouldn't credit such a report, even from a player. But, Cowboys.
 

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Richard has tried to implement work-arounds to solve the run defense issues while keeping the Marinelli DL scheme but that has been at the expense of coverage.

Marinelli's scheme is pass rush first, run defense on the way to the QB. Necessarily trades off run defense to get that extra pass rush.

This is the problem with "we do what we do". Makes your scheme a stationary target. Every scheme involves trade offs. "We do what we do" let's the opponent attack the relative weakness of the scheme with impunity.

You have to randomize strategies. It's basic game theory. Oh yeah, "we don't need no steenkin numbers."

#ClownTeam
 

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Marinelli's scheme is pass rush first, run defense on the way to the QB. Necessarily trades off run defense to get that extra pass rush.

This is the problem with "we do what we do". Makes your scheme a stationary target. Every scheme involves trade offs. "We do what we do" let's the opponent attack the relative weakness of the scheme with impunity.

You have to randomize strategies. It's basic game theory. Oh yeah, "we don't need no steenkin numbers."

#ClownTeam

The basic problem in run defense has not been about pass rush first or about stunting; although those do contribute to the problem.

Even when they play run off the snap, their run defense scheme vs the outside zone run with optional cut back to the inside often puts defenders in no-win situations.

The biggest problem is when offenses show outside zone to the side where the 1tech DT is aligned. The b-gap is open on that side as compared to the other side where the 3tech is in the b-gap (i.e. An extra gap between the outside and the 1tech as compared to runs to the side with the 3tech).

The 1tech must hustle to the outside. If he moves too quickly to the outside, the RB will cut back inside. An OL just has to let him move outside then get in the way when the 1tech tries to reverse directions.

The same concept applies to the LBs, primarily the backside LB (It is easiest to describe in Nickel but the concept is similar in base).

If a LB flows too far or too quickly outside, then an OL will kick out on a delayed block to keep that LB from getting back inside. If the LB delays going outside then an OL will kick out on the delayed block to keep him for getting to the outside and the RB will continue outside instead of cutting back.

The Cowboys have been trying to adjust the timing of all 3 players (1tech, both LBs in Nickel) to flow just far enough outside but not too far.

The RB can read 1 of the 3 defenders and read the associated blocker such that the RB can always win 1 of the 3 decisions. Often the RB can read 2 of the 3.

It comes down to:
1tech right/wrong
Backside LB right/wrong
Frontside LB right/wrong

Offenses often use "tricks" to hold the backside LB. Motion and threats of mis-direction plays to the backside (jet sweep, reverse, etc.).

The key is that once the defender commits inside/outside there will be an OL there to enforce that commitment.

Because the zone is a slow developing play, especially when it is a cut back, an OL can initially double team a DL and then kick out to make these delayed blocks. They just have to get out there before the RB has committed in/out (i.e. Before the defenders know if they should commit in/out).

When the RB causes 2 of 3 defenders to make the wrong decision, it will be a big gain. If all 3 are wrong it's probably a TD unless a Safety can make a tackle in open space against an NFL RB when the RB has a two-way go (can cut to either side with no restrictions).

That is the basic problem.

The Cowboys make it worse by stunts and DL alignments. Offenses are managing to get their OT to the inside of the 3tech which completely frees up the OG on that side to kick out and block a LB. If the 3tech can stay to the inside he can delay the OG from getting to a LB.

Some defenses shade the 3tech inside to head up or almost head up on an OG based on down/distance and offensive alignment. That small distance can often be the difference in a block succeeding or failing because of the side to side (lateral) nature of defending the zone run.

The Cowboys rarely ever alter the positioning of the DTs and when they do it seems to tip off offenses on where that DT is going to move off the snap.

Summary: The lateral nature of zone blocking often causes an OL to win or lose just by being on the correct side of a defender.

Obviously defenders sometimes fight through even when the OL "wins" the leverage battle but the defender will generally lose the overall snap (about 9 times out of 10) if he makes the wrong decision in regards to committing in/out.

Kris Richard has tried band-aides of slowing down outside pursuit by LBs and slowing down the flow of DTs towards the outside but it just has not worked and often makes the issue worse. He has been putting coverage players like Awuzie in a bind because he has "help" defenders over-focus on the run leaving players like Awuzie isolated in coverage.

Sadly the Cowboys Offense can't scheme and execute this same strategy that offenses are using against the Cowboys defense. They could back when Bill Callahan was the OL coach but once Callahan's assistant (Pollack) was also gone (His last season was 2016) the zone scheme advantage was gone. They still run the ZBS but the blocking assignments are often wrong and not in sync with the RB.
 
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