Randy Moss

[Jimz31]

I REALLY hope all of you are TO supporters, because if not the irony here is overwhelming.

And I hope you're being sarcastic here... living up to your avatar. Have you heard the Shell/Moss controversy. It puts any BP/TO speculation to shame.

Nope...not being sarcastic here at all.

You say that there is a Moss/Sheel "controversy" and only BP/TO "speculation". Interesting....since it may just be that it is the media in BOTH places that are instigating the whole thing.

Read here where Shell says that he had NO PROBLEM with anything that Moss said in the interview, yet look how the reporter twists it....seems to be the same thing here in Dallas maybe?

http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/sports/football/nfl/oakland_raiders/15508326.htm

My point is that Moss used to be a crybaby at times on the field and off and you can just tell by his interviews that he isn't the "same" guy that he used to be. This guy actually grew up as he got older. T.O. still has yet to prove that to anybody.

I'm not the only one that feels this way about him either....MANY callers and the hosts themselves were remarking on this.

What I also like about Moss is that instead of making a huge scene when he scores a TD, he finds a handicapped child and gives them the ball. T.O. could take lessons in this regard.

 

[JVita17]

im so happy we took ellis over him....moss is a jerk

THATS SARCASIM RIGHT??

 

[SloppyOctopuss]

You have to feel sorry for Randy Moss. He is still one of the top 5 players in the game IMO but now he is on the worst team in the NFL and will be hard pressed to have the type of success he did early on in his career given the lack of talent around him.

Amazing how both he and Culpeppers careers have taken a turn for the worst since being separated......

 

[peplaw06]

Nope...not being sarcastic here at all.

You say that there is a Moss/Sheel "controversy" and only BP/TO "speculation". Interesting....since it may just be that it is the media in BOTH places that are instigating the whole thing.

Yeah sorry, but this quote -- which came from your own cited story -- from Moss if FAR worse than ANYTHING TO has done in Dallas thus far.

"I think coach Art Shell just has a tight grasp on us, man. Knowing that you're a man, you're a certain age and this man is treating you like kids or a boy or whatnot. I'm not crying, I'm just going on what is brought to my attention. It might be small things like food, or full pads."

And that was from his interview with ESPN. He went on TV and said these things.

So I don't know what your stance is on TO, but compared to this, the BP/TO is speculation. You have no quotes like this from TO that suggest there's anything remotely close to this kind of tension.

Then you have a responding quote from Shell...

"Everybody is treated like a man," Shell said. "There are certain rules and regulations that men have to abide by. If that means being on time for things, if that is a strict rule, then it is a strict rule. If it means cell phones are not allowed in the meeting rooms, then that is a strict rule. If there is no food (allowed) in the meeting room, then that is a strict rule. There are probably things (current Raiders) haven't had to deal with in the past."

Also... TO has done nothing on the field to show up his team or teammates yet. Moss?? Not the case. He threw his hands up in frustration when Brooks didn't get him a pass when he thought he was open. Sorry, I just don't see TO at that level yet. So I really hope you're at least as supportive of TO right now, if you're this supportive of Moss.

 

[Jimz31]

Yeah sorry, but this quote -- which came from your own cited story -- from Moss if FAR worse than ANYTHING TO has done in Dallas thus far.


And that was from his interview with ESPN. He went on TV and said these things.

So I don't know what your stance is on TO, but compared to this, the BP/TO is speculation. You have no quotes like this from TO that suggest there's anything remotely close to this kind of tension.

Then you have a responding quote from Shell...


Also... TO has done nothing on the field to show up his team or teammates yet. Moss?? Not the case. He threw his hands up in frustration when Brooks didn't get him a pass when he thought he was open. Sorry, I just don't see TO at that level yet. So I really hope you're at least as supportive of TO right now, if you're this supportive of Moss.

Did you miss the fact that Shell says that he has NO PROBLEM with what he said?

Also, Moss hasn't bashed his QB's at all and if he has, it has been NOWHERE near what T.O. has done.

I am more supportive of Moss because he HASN'T been bashing his teammates....nowhere NEAR what T.O. has a REPEATING history of doing. Moss even wanted Culpepper to go to Oakland....has T.O. ever met a QB that he liked longer than 1 year?

MOST WR's throw up their hands when they are wide open...I'll GUARANTEE that T.O. will do it over and over and over again.

I really never liked either one of them but I like Moss more than T.O. that is for sure....it started when Moss was telling Culpepper during a game that if he couldn't get the ball to him, not to worry about it....something that everybody knows T.O. would never say. That was 3 years ago when that conversation took place.

 

[peplaw06]

Did you miss the fact that Shell says that he has NO PROBLEM with what he said?

Didn't miss it... and it doesn't change the fact that they're basically having an argument through the media.

Also, Moss hasn't bashed his QB's at all and if he has, it has been NOWHERE near what T.O. has done.

Wrong. Moss and Culpepper had a pretty public feud after Moss left Minnesota. And my point is TO hasn't done anything in Dallas yet. What is your line where you refuse to support a guy?? Is it one public feud, two, three??

I am more supportive of Moss because he HASN'T been bashing his teammates....nowhere NEAR what T.O. has a REPEATING history of doing. Moss even wanted Culpepper to go to Oakland....has T.O. ever met a QB that he liked longer than 1 year?

I believe he liked Steve Young just fine.

Moss IMO is WAY more repugnant a figure than TO. He has had problems with the LAW. He also publicly stated that he "takes plays off" during games. Contrast that with a guy like TO, whose work ethic or dedication to the game have NEVER been questioned, and has never been in trouble with the law.

I don't have a problem with not respecting or supporting TO, as long as you're consistent. I don't respect the guy, but because he's a Cowboy I have decided to support him as long as he behaves. I just don't understand how anyone can support Randy Moss and have no qualms with his character, yet refuse to do the same for TO.

 

[Jimz31]

Didn't miss it... and it doesn't change the fact that they're basically having an argument through the media.

Wrong. Moss and Culpepper had a pretty public feud after Moss left Minnesota. And my point is TO hasn't done anything in Dallas yet. What is your line where you refuse to support a guy?? Is it one public feud, two, three??

I believe he liked Steve Young just fine.

Moss IMO is WAY more repugnant a figure than TO. He has had problems with the LAW. He also publicly stated that he "takes plays off" during games. Contrast that with a guy like TO, whose work ethic or dedication to the game have NEVER been questioned, and has never been in trouble with the law.

I don't have a problem with not respecting or supporting TO, as long as you're consistent. I don't respect the guy, but because he's a Cowboy I have decided to support him as long as he behaves. I just don't understand how anyone can support Randy Moss and have no qualms with his character, yet refuse to do the same for TO.

I was talking about Moss being a different guy now as opposed to when he first came into the league....if you can't see that......

Moss WANTED Culpepper to go to Oakland....I think they've kissed and made up....all of the other things that you mentioned were in his distant past. The last time he was in trouble with the law was 3 or so years ago in Minnesota when he was driving.

As far as taking plays off in a game....For Crying Out Loud....EVERY WR has done that in the NFL...EVERY SINGLE ONE. You can't go at 100% for every play that you are in there. MANY retired and current WR's have said that. Yet, when Moss admits it, he's to be bashed for it?

My problem with T.O. is that he has ALWAYS been this way. He was kicked off of his first collegiate football team....why? Some of the same things that have gone on for his NFL career.

T.O. will be a good guy THIS YEAR as long as things are going OK. Next year is when it will get interesting.

The media has made a mountain out of a molehill in Dallas...just the same way that it is being made out in Oakland.

 

[dbair1967]

Yeah, but I would take a jerk WR that can turn every catch thrown to him into a TD. He caught 3 passes against us in 1998 for 144 yards and 3 TD's!!

Mind boggling!

you might want to remember who was playing CB that day for us too

David

 

[peplaw06]

I was talking about Moss being a different guy now as opposed to when he first came into the league....if you can't see that......

Based on what?? One radio interview?? I can point to random interviews where TO has said all the right things. His most recent interviews would fit that bill

Moss WANTED Culpepper to go to Oakland....I think they've kissed and made up....all of the other things that you mentioned were in his distant past. The last time he was in trouble with the law was 3 or so years ago in Minnesota when he was driving.

Point to a time TO has been in trouble with the law. Not only that, but Moss admitted having smoked marijuana. I can't say with 100% certainty that TO hasn't been involved in drugs, but judging from the meticulous way he treats his body I'd doubt it. I've certainly seen no evidence that he has done so.

As far as taking plays off in a game....For Crying Out Loud....EVERY WR has done that in the NFL...EVERY SINGLE ONE. You can't go at 100% for every play that you are in there. MANY retired and current WR's have said that. Yet, when Moss admits it, he's to be bashed for it?

Yes... Because Moss takes off more plays than most... guaranteed. And what's worse is he shows contempt for his team and the game by coming out to the media and admitting it. If you're going to hate on TO for not being a team player, Randy Moss deserves to draw the same ire.

My problem with T.O. is that he has ALWAYS been this way. He was kicked off of his first collegiate football team....why? Some of the same things that have gone on for his NFL career.

Do you think Moss just went through a span of a couple seasons where he was doing these things?? In 1995 Moss was recruited by Notre Dame. When he got in a fight, and got charged with 2 counts of battery, he was kicked off the team. So there's ONE team he was kicked off of. Then he went to Florida State... kicked off for marijuana. THEN he went to Marshall.

T.O. will be a good guy THIS YEAR as long as things are going OK. Next year is when it will get interesting.

The media has made a mountain out of a molehill in Dallas...just the same way that it is being made out in Oakland.

I agree with you for the most part here.

Once again, for those who haven't read the whole thread to reiterate... I have no problem with those who don't trust/support TO. I myself don't respect the guy, and wasn't thrilled when he signed, but I've decided to give him the benefit of the doubt since he's now a Cowboy.

However, there's NO REASON to support Randy Moss and not to support TO. It's a massive double standard, and if you can't see that by now, I can't help you.

 

[Jimz31]

Based on what?? One radio interview?? I can point to random interviews where TO has said all the right things. His most recent interviews would fit that bill

Point to a time TO has been in trouble with the law. Not only that, but Moss admitted having smoked marijuana. I can't say with 100% certainty that TO hasn't been involved in drugs, but judging from the meticulous way he treats his body I'd doubt it. I've certainly seen no evidence that he has done so.

Yes... Because Moss takes off more plays than most... guaranteed. And what's worse is he shows contempt for his team and the game by coming out to the media and admitting it. If you're going to hate on TO for not being a team player, Randy Moss deserves to draw the same ire.

Do you think Moss just went through a span of a couple seasons where he was doing these things?? In 1995 Moss was recruited by Notre Dame. When he got in a fight, and got charged with 2 counts of battery, he was kicked off the team. So there's ONE team he was kicked off of. Then he went to Florida State... kicked off for marijuana. THEN he went to Marshall.

I agree with you for the most part here.

Once again, for those who haven't read the whole thread to reiterate... I have no problem with those who don't trust/support TO. I myself don't respect the guy, and wasn't thrilled when he signed, but I've decided to give him the benefit of the doubt since he's now a Cowboy.

However, there's NO REASON to support Randy Moss and not to support TO. It's a massive double standard, and if you can't see that by now, I can't help you.

You are so stuck on what Moss did a decade ago? Come on. Has he even been in a fight since then? Yes, he screwed up back then. The stuff that you are bringing up is freakin' OLD. The things that I have a problem with as far as T.O. is concerned is RECENT stuff. To not see that....I don't know how you can't.

It's NOT a double standard as I see one WR who has changed and one who has yet to change. I am giving him (T.O.) the benefit of the doubt for this year, but like I said, year 2 is where the problems may come in.

BTW, my take wasn't based on just one interview....re-read my first post. Listen to Fox Sports Radio on Monday as he will be on there every Monday. If you can't tell he is a different person from what he used to be, then you have to have a comprehension problem remembering what he USED TO BE LIKE.

Again, you are stuck on distant history and not looking at recent history. You are saying that Moss is a problem this year, when it seems to be a media creation in Oakland just like it may be here in Dallas.

 

[jem88]

you might want to remember who was playing CB that day for us too

David

Refresh my memory. Was it Kevin Smith? Had Deion already suffered his toe injury by that point?

 

[dbair1967]

Refresh my memory. Was it Kevin Smith? Had Deion already suffered his toe injury by that point?

yeah...Deion was out...we had Kevin Mathis and a gimpy Kevin Smith back there

David

 

[big dog cowboy]

If I were Jerry Jones, I call my buddy Al Davis and see what it would take to get Moss. Moss isn't happy and has already said he will leave when he becomes a FA. Might as well see what the price is for a player who will leave eventually. Oakland is in rebuilding mode and needs all the picks they can get.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Because he has won so many superbowls in either minnesota, or Oakland.

GIVE ME A BREAK!!!

He is a rare telent dont' get me wrong.....but however you are coming to the fact that we would have won a superbowl, let alone two between 1998 and now if we had randy moss is beyond me look at our record in those years...........We Sucked!!! NO ONE PLAYER WOULD CHANGE THAT! besides who knows what kinda mischef he woulda gotten into. Draft for character guys with talent the rest will take care of itslelf

Your opinion is noted. I never stated it as fact. Although your post is layed out more matter of factly that we were so bad that we couldnt have.... FACT is you dont know what would have happened just like I dont... IF you re-read my post carefully you will see what I meant....

Go draft a WR from Harvard for character...

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

If I were Jerry Jones, I call my buddy Al Davis and see what it would take to get Moss. Moss isn't happy and has already said he will leave when he becomes a FA. Might as well see what the price is for a player who will leave eventually. Oakland is in rebuilding mode and needs all the picks they can get.

The time to get Moss was back in 1998. I am pretty sure I dont want him now. I think we have the better of the two. Owens is a horse that never quits. He does a childs mentality at times but it doesnt affect his on the field performance.... whereas Moss acts like a child and it shows on the field when he quits and then to make it worse he says he quits on plays and when he opens his mouth its just.......he is just a mumbling, bumblinh idiot

 

[peplaw06]

You are so stuck on what Moss did a decade ago? Come on. Has he even been in a fight since then? Yes, he screwed up back then. The stuff that you are bringing up is freakin' OLD. The things that I have a problem with as far as T.O. is concerned is RECENT stuff. To not see that....I don't know how you can't.

OMG... You're the one who brought up TO being kicked off his first college team. I'm just one upping you and you accuse me of bringing up old stuff. Nice spin... it ain't workin. And the recent Moss interview where he's questioning Shell's treatment of him is RECENT don't ya think? More recent than anything TO has done.

BTW, my take wasn't based on just one interview....re-read my first post.

The past couple of weeks? So twice?? Great sample size there. And BTW, who cares what he sounds like in a choice radio interview?? What do you expect?? He's not going to be controversial EVERY time. And TO has been great in his interviews for the most part while he's been here. The only thing he said that sounded bad was when he said "BP has 10 years of film if he wants to see something."

Listen to Fox Sports Radio on Monday as he will be on there every Monday. If you can't tell he is a different person from what he used to be, then you have to have a comprehension problem remembering what he USED TO BE LIKE.

This doesn't even make sense. A comprehension problem remembering what he used to be like?? Do you even know what comprehension means? Or do you just hear the term "reading comprehension" every now and then (not shocking that you've heard that), then are like, wow that sounds good, I'll use that.

I've showed you examples of his actions that give you some insight to the lack of character he has... both recent and in the past. I'm NOT even hating on Moss. I don't dislike the guy, just like I don't dislike TO. I'm not the one holding a completely differing opinion of two similar guys, or actually giving more credit to a guy who's WORSE. That's the issue here... Not MY personal opinions on both guys, but YOUR'S because YOU'RE playing favorites, using double standards, being hypocritical, etc. etc.

Again, you are stuck on distant history and not looking at recent history. You are saying that Moss is a problem this year, when it seems to be a media creation in Oakland just like it may be here in Dallas.

The only distant history I posted was in my last post, and was only because you brought up collegiate issues with TO. The rest has been recent. He RECENTLY went to Oakland, he RECENTLY complained about the way Shell treats him. yada yada... You know when you read these posts you're not supposed to forget what I've already posted. I can't repeat myself every post. Try to keep up.