Ratlif for Canty/Spears?

[burmafrd]

I am beginning to think that maybe BP needs to jolt those two by replacing them in the next two games as starter with Ratlif. Give him a try as starter and use the other guy as relief. We need more activity from the D line and they are just not getting it done.

 

[DaDoomsDay]

I like it

 

[conner01]

ratliff is too valuable in the nickle. he comes in with nothing to do but rush the passer. 3/4 de's are simply not gonna get many sacks and we might as well get used to that. we are stuffing the run and thats their main job. i would like to see more out of them and i think they will but don't be thinking either is gonna get 8 or 9 sacks. it;s just not realistic

 

[YosemiteSam]

I am beginning to think that maybe BP needs to jolt those two by replacing them in the next two games as starter with Ratlif. Give him a try as starter and use the other guy as relief. We need more activity from the D line and they are just not getting it done.

Ratliff has something on pass rush, but his run stopping skills leave something to be desired which is why he plays in the nickel...

 

[AsthmaField]

3/4 de's are simply not gonna get many sacks and we might as well get used to that. we are stuffing the run and thats their main job. i would like to see more out of them and i think they will but don't be thinking either is gonna get 8 or 9 sacks. it;s just not realistic

That's exactly right. A 3-4 DE just isn't going to get sacks like Strahan, Peppers, etc. Sacks are supposed to come from Ellis, and Ware primarily. If Canty or Spears gets a sack, then fine... but they're just as likely to flush the QB right to Ware or Ellis as to get the sack themselves. They'll be a success too, it they flush the QB out of the pocket.

 

[Stautner]

Ratliff has something on pass rush, but his run stopping skills leave something to be desired which is why he plays in the nickel...

This is exactly right. Considering that pass rushing isn't a primary responsibility of a 3-4 DE Parcells will go with the stronger run stoppers.

 

[AbeBeta]

Ratliff has something on pass rush, but his run stopping skills leave something to be desired which is why he plays in the nickel...

and Spears and Canty's pass rushing skills haven't developed yet -- which is why they play in the base.

 

[RW31]

just because spears and canty are 3-4 DEs it doesnt mean all they have to do is sit there and play the run. look at the chargers, they have a very active DE combo in castillo and olshansky. we need more pass rush out of canty and spears...

 

[HTownCowboysFan]

Their primary job is to stop the run -- they are more like 4-3 tackles instead of "ends" per se. They've been more than fine. People = sacks to kicking arse, and that's not always the case.

 

[Kalyan]

I agree. In obvious passing downs, we need them hitting the gaps and disrupting the pocket, not sit back and wait for the run. May be they don't have the freedom to leave their lanes in Zimmer's scheme

just because spears and canty are 3-4 DEs it doesnt mean all they have to do is sit there and play the run. look at the chargers, they have a very active DE combo in castillo and olshansky. we need more pass rush out of canty and spears...

 

[Stautner]

just because spears and canty are 3-4 DEs it doesnt mean all they have to do is sit there and play the run. look at the chargers, they have a very active DE combo in castillo and olshansky. we need more pass rush out of canty and spears...

First, while you are right in saying they aren't responsible for the run only, that is their primary responsibility on 1st and 2nd down, and Parcell's isn't going to start Ratliff because he isn't that strong as a run defender.

Second, the Charger play a more agressive 3-4 than we do - it's not an apples to apples analogy.

 

[AbeBeta]

just because spears and canty are 3-4 DEs it doesnt mean all they have to do is sit there and play the run. look at the chargers, they have a very active DE combo in castillo and olshansky. we need more pass rush out of canty and spears...

they also have a monster at NT that commands double and triple teams on every play. to me, he's the key to that D.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I am beginning to think that maybe BP needs to jolt those two by replacing them in the next two games as starter with Ratlif. Give him a try as starter and use the other guy as relief. We need more activity from the D line and they are just not getting it done.

I think Parcells is against it since he needs Ratliff to spell Ferguson on occasional first and second downs and probably wants to keep him fresh for the nickel packages. Plus, the injury to Hatcher doesn't make things any easier.


YAKUZA

 

[conner01]

just because spears and canty are 3-4 DEs it doesnt mean all they have to do is sit there and play the run. look at the chargers, they have a very active DE combo in castillo and olshansky. we need more pass rush out of canty and spears...

castillo is a very good player and has 4 sacks, igor has a half sack. spears and canty have one a piece but in s.d. those two play the nickle where you can pin back your ears and rush the passer, canty and spears don't play the nickle. they play 1st and 2nd down, in passing situations they come out. i would like more from them but if you get 4 or 5 sacks out of a 3/4 de you got something. it just does'nt happen much and is very hard to get many sacks when you only play run downs

 

[AsthmaField]

Plus, the injury to Hatcher doesn't make things any easier.

YAKUZA

Do you know when Hatcher is supposed to be coming back?

 

[dbair1967]

I am beginning to think that maybe BP needs to jolt those two by replacing them in the next two games as starter with Ratlif. Give him a try as starter and use the other guy as relief. We need more activity from the D line and they are just not getting it done.

It wont do any good because the players are not the problem

besides, both of them usually come out on passing downs anyway...both are playing the run well...Canty wouldnt be a good relief guy because he is only good vs the run anyway

David

 

[dbair1967]

just because spears and canty are 3-4 DEs it doesnt mean all they have to do is sit there and play the run. look at the chargers, they have a very active DE combo in castillo and olshansky. we need more pass rush out of canty and spears...

then maybe we can find a way to work a trade for the person who runs the Chargers defense, because until then nothing is going to change

David

 

[Stautner]

It wont do any good because the players are not the problem

besides, both of them usually come out on passing downs anyway...both are playing the run well...Canty wouldnt be a good relief guy because he is only good vs the run anyway

David

Don't the two sentences in bold contradict each other?

 

[STSINAZ]

gotta do it...and while you are at it bench the other one for coleman

 

[burmafrd]

I look at it as more in the experimentaion area and to let them know that their starting positions are not a given. Who knows? It might work and at the very least it will make the Offensive coordinators we face plan for more different personel and looks.